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Here is how I build up science for trolls.  Peasant growth is everything in this game so this for everyone should be a priority except elf.

Elf must upgrade to the desired magic level and then upgrade the other stuff.  Elfs need atleast 6 to make the archmage worth the price.  As a KD we need to protect elfs because they can be our best allies later in game. 

medicine, medicine, medicine, military, military, magic, medicine, military, magic, medicine(now at 5), military(now at 5), magic(now at 4) now upgrade the others as needed with mining the focus.  Everyone needs at least magic level 3 for the slow spell.  4 is desired for Rain of Fire but not necessary.  This spell has been dialed down a bit over the last few eras.

OK, thoughts???????

Remember, productivity is everything Dont let it fall.  In my opinion it effects city building production rate, troop production rate and peasant growth although I don't have any scientific evidence behind this YET.

Here is another tip I forgot to share. You need to feed pezzies from some cities into your main city that has the mining bonus. That third city I described out in the open. Lets say that third city has 3K homes this will accomodate 75K peasants. You aren't going to have the funds to build production for more than 10K pezzies(which is 2K buildings) Build up enough jobs for 10K pezzies. Food to cover the pezzies in your main city and some lumber etc. Once you have 10K pezzies you will be adding like 4 or 5 hundred per tic but you will have no jobs for them. Put 4 to 5 thousand in a scout and shuttle them to the main city where they will make you money. Fill up that city completely before worrying about the other city. In 4 days I have 100K income and it is going up by 5K per tic at a rising rate. Of course having to fight from the beginning slows this whole process to a grinding halt.

i also did, i said ask a vet in your kingdom for advice or just play the game and figure it out for yourself.

Yes, Krum.  Agreed.  The best way to build a mighty economy is to have other people build your buildings for you.  However, this does not always fit the tactical situation.  A good city building strategy is still needed.

Who has no mining science? I always get mine to five and my medicine to four at the very beggining. That means lots of people to get gold at mines that produce more. And the strategy posted above has no milatry instructions. The description says a 2-D empire building game. That is REALLY hard to do without any f-ing milatary

Oh and Bacardi. 2 armories to every home decreases ALL the mialtary to 50% it dosn't matter what milatary it is or how many other types of building you have. It is still 2:1

Hobgoblins: 535 Rockthrowers: 0 Warlords: 0 Mages: 0 Berserkers: 39 Peasants: 27285 Slaves >>> 0 Morale: 100% Productivity: 100% Population: 25% Employment: 100% Armies: 1 Gates: Closed

Production Tax: +27285 Gold: +25578 Food: +7035 Stone: +14210 Tree: +165

Buildings Wreckages: 373 Homes: 4461 Farms: 979 Mines: 2030 Magic Towers: 0 Guardtowers: 14992 Taverne: 1000 Lumbermills: 50 Armories: 14488 Warehouses: 0 Wall(bonus): 96% Total: 38373

I captured this building recently.  Not a very efficient building in my opinion.

You shouldn't need more than a few hundred taverns ever.  Guard towers are nice because you can see very far but don't build more than 1000.  Build a few thousand magic towers to ward against Crush Walls.  For a fraction of the cost he could have made troops to give him the same protection as those guard towers.  GT's only give 5 points of defense for as much as 1000 each.  You could have 10 defense points from troops and with your military bonus as much as 15 for the same price.  You don't need more than 5000 armories.  The rest should be production.  Try to have a completely separate city for your armories and shuttle peasants 10K each day to your armory.  Your production will only fall a few % points before it comes back to 100.

Ya I captured a few cities like that. One was in a perfect mining location and had 13K houses, 11K GTs and 8K mines. A huge waste.

Don't try to go "rainbow" so much on your towns. "Rainbow towns" are defined as towns that have a bit of everything in each city, which doesn't really provide much output. Output of each building depends on the number of the specific building you have. The higher the amount of farms, for instance, means that eventually, the farms will start producing more individually. Farms next to their respective resource (water), usually start with, and  get future bonus' quicker.

You'll want to create cities, generally to one purpose. So for instance, you'll want to build mining cities (1 home, to every 5 mines) near mountains, and farming cities (again, 1 home to every 5 farms) near water, the same goes with lumber mills, etc.

Armouries should be built in their own city, not with economic buildings :). It doesn't matter where theyre built, but a seperate city is usually better. The number of arms you have depends entirely on how much you want to reduce the costs of your troops. 50% reduction is the maximum, your higher levelled troops (the highest costing one), will take more arms to reduce in cost.

It's also advisable not to have your gates closed right now, unlesss they serve a purpose to block others from passing a narrow point. When you have gates closed, the city can eb seen from anywhere on the map, which may attract people to attacking you.

(Edited by Mr. Archibald Trotter 1/27/2007 2:27:00 PM)

You wouldn't neccessarily buy more than 1 city straight away, I was talking long-term here (i.e, a general plan for the era). :)

With the initial money, you should really only focus on 1 town (or two, if you want to attack out of protection), preferably next to a mountain, with the 1/5 home to mine/lumber/farm strat. Building mass homes isn't really effective, as your initial starting resources will quickly fade away, and to create more buildings you'll obviously need gold + stone + lumber, so your growth will be in comparison, much slower than if you had mines (which produce both gold and stone) and lumbermills (for the wood).  :)

While in protection, you can build another city to build troops from, an armoury, but as I mentioned before, I wouldn't build any more than a mine + armoury, or you'll wittle away what little starting resources you had.

With your current set up, i'd now focus on building more mines/lumbermills to accomodate to your homes.

"I'm interested in your opinion why no med science to boost peasant growth."

Med sci is quite useless... the only moment it's remotely useful is at the very start of the era, but on the other hand it will have a negative effect mid and later in the era, when all the important things happen. If you need med sci for your pez growth anytime after the first few days of the era you really need to rethink your building strat.

1. To begin with, money is the basis o*beep*ood economy and a good kingdom. Your first city should be near the mountains. really close actually. at about 6k buildings max is a good first city. this will get you the bonusses really soon. the bonus is a income bonus that comes with being near the mountains and/or having LOTS of mines. at max you will get seven gold five stone per mine if you are anything but a dwarf and 9 gold 5stone if you are  a dwarf. this is really good because it increases the ouput of every mine between x2 and x3.

2. DO NOT AND I REAPEAT DO NOT BUILD ANY AND I MEAN ANY FARMS. I did the math and unless you are a halfling there is no point in building farms. economically it is better to spend that money on mines. especially if the city in question is near the mountains.

3. mining science is the only scince that you will ever need. think about it a minute. if you have level five milatary science and no mining level then youll have a good unit but no money to make that unit. someone with a high mining level will have an income that grows exponentially. youll have more money to spend on mine and the circle starts all over.

you dont need farms, at least not right away. #3 is very flawed though. medicine sciences increases birth rate, which means more taxes and more troops, and decreases losses of injured troops. military science decreases casualties. magic science is needed so your army doesnt get rofed or ownaged.

so, why does productivity go down?
and how do you get it to go up again?