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Elements Embassy
22:12:32 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Earth:

Many ancient philosophies used a set of archetypal classical "elements" to explain patterns in nature. The word "element" in this context either refers to a state of matter (e.g. solid/earth, liquid/water, gas/air, plasma/fire) or a phase of matter (as in the Chinese Five Phases), rather than the Chemical elements of modern science.

The Greek Classical Elements (Earth, Water, Air, Fire, and sometimes also "Idea") date from pre-Socratic times and persisted throughout the Middle Ages and into the Renaissance, deeply influencing European thought and culture. The Hindu and Japanese also had essentially the same five elements: the four states-of-matter, plus a fifth element to describe that which was beyond the material world (non-matter). The concept was widely disseminated in India and China, where it forms the basis of both Buddhism and Hinduism, particularly in an esoteric context.

The modern scientific states-of-matter, and, to a lesser extent, also the periodic table of the elements and the concept of combustion (fire) can be considered successors to such early models.

By contrast the Chinese had a somewhat different series of elements, namely Fire, Earth, Water, Metal and Wood, which were understood as different types of energy in a state of constant interaction and flux with one another, rather than the Western notion of different kinds of material.

Hindu, Japanese, and Greek systems
The dominant theory of classical elements, held by the Hindu, Japanese, and Greek systems of thought, is that there are five elements, namely Earth, Water, Air, Fire, and a fifth element known variously as Idea, Void "quintessence" or Aether (the term "quintessence" derives from "quint" meaning "fifth"). In Greek thought the philosopher Aristotle added aether as the quintessence, reasoning that whereas fire, earth, air, and water were earthly and corruptible, since no improvements had been perceived in the heavenly regions, the stars cannot be made out of any of the four elements but must be made of a different, unchangeable, heavenly substance.[1]. The Greek Pythagoreans used the initial letters of these five elements to name the outer angles of their pentagram.[citation needed]

The Greek names of the elements are as follows:

* Γαια, gaia earth
* ύδωρ, hydor, water
* άήρ, aer, air
* έιλή, heile, heat (fire)
* ίδέα, idea or ίερόν, hieron "a divine thing"

These five elements are sometimes associated with the five platonic solids.

The Japanese and Hindu systems use these same five classical elements but use a different name for the fifth element: void in the Japanese system and aether or akasha in the Hindu system. "Idea" is the preferred modern term, and lends itself well to the idea that algorithms, software, or other similar "cyberspace" processes be categorized as belonging to the fifth element. In other words, just as the mind belongs to Idea, even though the brain is a mixture of solid ("Earth") and liquid ("Water"), software also belongs to Idea even though the hardware it runs on, i.e. silicon chips, etc., is made from solid ("Earth") matter.[2]

The fifth Classical Element (Idea) may be further sub-divided into living and non-living. For example, the mind is an example of a living form of Idea whereas computer software is an example of non-living Idea.

Classical elements in Greece
The Greek classical elements are fire, earth, air, and water. They represent in Greek philosophy, science, and medicine the realms of the cosmos wherein all things exist and whereof all things consist. The ancient Greek word for element (stoicheion) literally meant "letter (of the alphabet)", the basic unit from which a word is formed.

Plato mentions the elements as of pre-Socratic origin, a list created by the Ionian philosopher Empedocles (ca. 450 BC). Empedocles called these the four "roots"; Plato seems to have been the first to use the term "element (stoicheion)" in reference to air, fire, earth, and water.[3]
Four Classical Elements

* Air is primarily wet and secondarily hot.
* Fire is primarily hot and secondarily dry.
* Earth is primarily dry and secondarily cold.
* Water is primarily cold and secondarily wet.

One classic diagram (right) has one square inscribed in the other, with the corners of one being the classical elements, and the corners of the other being the properties. The opposite corner is the opposite of the these properties, "hot - cold" and "dry - wet"

According to Galen, these elements were used by Hippocrates in describing the human body with an association with the four humours: yellow bile (fire), black bile (earth), blood (air), and phlegm (water).

The concept of the classical elements proved extremely persistent in Europe, lasting through the Middle Ages to the early modern era. Just as the Aristotelian dogma was related to the Greek world view, the idea of classical elements in the Middle Ages composed a large part of the medieval world view. The Roman Catholic Church supported the Aristotelian concept of aether because it supported the Christian view of earthly life as impermanent and heaven as eternal.

In Western astrology the concept of the four classical elements has survived from antiquity up until the present. The twelve signs of the zodiac are divided into the four elements: Fire signs are Aries, Leo and Sagittarius, Earth signs are Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn, Air signs are Gemini, Libra and Aquarius, and Water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. Most modern astrologers still view the four classical elements as a critical part of interpreting the astrological chart.

In divinatory tarot, which originated in its present form in medieval Europe (though its roots may go back much further), the suits of cups, swords, wands (batons) and pentacles (coins) are said to correspond to water, air, fire, and earth respectively. These correspond in the modern deck of playing cards to hearts, spades, clubs, and diamonds.

Classical elements in Hinduism
The pancha mahabhuta, or "five great elements", of Hinduism are khsiti or bhumi (earth), ap or jala (water), agni or tejas (fire), marut or pavan (air or wind), and byom or akasha (aether). Hindus believe that God used akasha to create the other four traditional elements, and that the knowledge of all human experience is imprinted in the akashic records.

Classical elements in early Buddhism
In the Pali literature, the mahabhuta ("great elements") or catudhatu ("four elements") are earth, water, fire and air. In early Buddhism, the four elements are a basis for understanding suffering and for liberating oneself from suffering.

The Buddha"s teaching regarding the four elements is to be understood as the base of all observation of real sensations rather than as a philosophy. The four properties are cohesion (water), solidity or inertia (earth), expansion or vibration (air) and heat or calorific content (fire). He taught that all mind and matter is ultimately composed of eight types of "kalapas" of which the four elements are primary and a secondary group of four are color, smell, taste, and nutriment which are derivative from the four primaries.

The Buddha"s teaching of the four elements does predate Greek teaching of the same four elements.[citation needed] This is possibly explained by the fact that he sent out 60 arahants to the known world to spread his teaching, however it differs in the fact that the Buddha taught that the 4 elements are false and that form is in fact made up of much smaller particles which are constantly changing.[citation needed]

Thanissaro Bhikkhu (1997) renders an extract of Shakyamuni Buddha"s (Kayagata-sati Sutta MN 119) from Pali into English thus:

"Furthermore, the monk contemplates this very body -- however it stands, however it is disposed -- in terms of properties: `In this body there is the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, & the wind property." Just as a skilled butcher or his apprentice, having killed a cow, would sit at a crossroads cutting it up into pieces, the monk contemplates this very body -- however it stands, however it is disposed -- in terms of properties: `In this body there is the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, & the wind property."[4]

Classical elements in the Seven Chakras
In the philosophy of the Seven Chakras there are correspondences to the five elements as shared by both Hinduism and Buddhism as well as two other elements:

* Sabasrara (Crown): Thought/Space
* Anja (Third Eye): Light/Time
* Vishbuddha (Throat): Ether/Sound
* Anabata (Heart): Air
* Manipura (Navel): Fire
* Svadhistbana (Sacral): Water
* Muladhara (Root): Earth

Classical elements in Japan
Japanese traditions use a set of elements called the 五大 (go dai, literally "five great"). These five are earth, water, fire, wind, and void. These came from Buddhist beliefs; the classical Chinese elements (五行, go gy) are also prominent in Japanese culture, especially to the influential Neo-Confucianists during the Edo period.

* Earth represented things that were solid.
* Water represented things that were liquid.
* Fire represented things that destroyed.
* Air represented things that moved.
* Void represented things not of our everyday life.

Classical elements in Bn
In Bn or ancient Tibetan philosophy , the five elemental processes of: earth, water, fire, air and space are the essential stuff of all existent phenomena or aggregates (ref. Skandha). The elemental processes form the basis of the calendar, astrology, medicine, psychology and are the foundation of the spiritual traditions of shamanism, tantra and Dzogchen.

Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche[5] comprehensively states:

"...physical properties are assigned to the elements: earth is solidity; water is cohesion; fire is temperature; air is motion; and space is the spatial dimension that accommodates the other four active elements. In addition, the elements are correlated to different emotions, temperaments, directions, colors, tastes, body types, illnesses, thinking styles, and character. From the five elements arise the five senses and the five fields of sensual experience; the five negative emotions and the five wisdoms; and the five extensions of the body. They are the five primary pranas or vital energies. They are the constituents of every physical, sensual, mental, and spiritual phenomenon."

The names of the elements are analogous to categorised experiential sensations of the natural world. The names are symbolic and key to their inherent qualities and/or modes of action by analogy. In Bn the elemental processes are fundamental metaphors for working with external, internal and secret energetic forces. All five elemental processes in their essential purity are inherent in the mindstream and link the trikaya and are aspects of primordial energy. As Herbert V. Gnther[6] rather unfathomably states:

"Thus, bearing in mind that thought struggles incessantly against the treachery of language and that what we observe and describe is the observer himself [sic.], we may nonetheless proceed to investigate the successive phases in our becoming human beings. Throughout these phases, the experience (das Erlebnis) of ourselves as an intensity (imaged and felt as a "god", lha) setting up its own spatiality (imaged and felt as a "house" khang) is present in various intensities of illumination that occur within ourselves as a "temple." A corollary of this Erlebnis is its light character manifesting itself in various "frequencies" or colors. This is to say, since we are beings of light we display this light in a multiplicity of nuances."[7]

In the above block quote the trikaya is encoded as: dharmakaya "god"; sambhogakaya "temple" and nirmanakaya "house".

Classical elements in China
In Taoism there is a similar system of elements, which includes metal and wood, but excludes air, which is replaced with the non-element qi, which is a force or energy rather than an element. In Chinese philosophy the universe consists of heaven and earth, heaven being made of qi and earth being made of the five elements (in the Chinese view, the attributes and properties of the Wastern and Indian Air element are equivalent to that of Wood, where the element of Ether is often seen as a correspondent to Metal). The five major planets are associated with and named after the elements: Venus is gold, Jupiter is wood, Mercury is Water, Mars is Fire, and Saturn is Earth. Additionally, the Moon represents Yin, and the Sun represents Yang. Yin, Yang, and the five elements are recurring themes in the I Ching, the oldest of Chinese classical texts which describes an ancient system of cosmology and philosophy. The five elements also play an important part in Chinese astrology and the Chinese form of geomancy known as Feng shui

The doctrine of five phases describes two cycles of balance, a generating or creation (生, shēng) cycle and an overcoming or destruction (克, k) cycle of interactions between the phases.

Generating
* Wood feeds fire;
* Fire creates earth (ash);
* Earth bears metal;
* Metal collects water;
* Water nourishes wood.

Overcoming
* Wood parts earth;
* Earth absorbs water;
* Water quenches fire;
* Fire melts metal;
* Metal chops wood.

There are also two cycles of imbalance, an overacting cycle (cheng) and an insulting cycle (wu).


22:14:25 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Paladinofblood:

ok.. 5 elements but 6 people.. aint that a bit wierd?


22:14:48 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Fire:

We multiply.


22:16:31 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Paladinofblood:

your other guy isnt even an element...


22:18:42 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Water:

are u a nubzor ? metal is element ( japan element)


22:21:09 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Earth:

We got the 5 classical greek ones and 1 japanese dude xD


22:47:44 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Flames of Xtc:

oh no their gonna form together and make a mass weapon of destruction.


23:07:02 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Alva:

ok all i kno is dat dis is a dumb kd out of the elements u wuld actually change ur name fr dis


23:13:41 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Flames of Xtc:

Could you please type to where i can understand what the hell your saying!?

Theirs nothing wrong with their kingdom name either.


23:19:32 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Alva:

i think its stupid and if u want respect bout it u hav to kik some az


23:40:45 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Earth:

Mr Alva, who are you?


23:47:41 Mar 24th 08 - Mr. Sparemylifeplz:

He sounds like Vengence... who couldn't spell vengeance


01:01:07 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Paladinofblood:

01:14:06 Mar 25th 08 - Duke Loren Soth:

the fifth element i believe ;)


01:24:45 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Heimdall:

the fifth element i believe ;)

correct, at least within some philosophies/beliefs.


01:29:14 Mar 25th 08 - Sir Soccerloner:

wait, the movie told me the fifth element was love! which one is lying?!?!?1


01:30:44 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Heimdall:

actually no one. but if i were to pick one, i'd choose luc everyday.


03:33:26 Mar 25th 08 - Lord Zucox The Great:

Actually there is 4 elements only..
they are =
Fantasia,
Mantrax
Zetamania,
Strata..


03:39:10 Mar 25th 08 - Ms. Mama Bear:


03:57:26 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Atreides:

All those oldies couldn't get past number 5....


04:32:38 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Fire:

Why the lame attitude Alva? When are you earning your respect? You're losing more and more by such actions. And you didn't even earn some yet!


13:08:45 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Random:

Mr. Paladinofblood

Report


3/25/2008 10:01:07 AM
what element is that?

The aether is an old theory about what space was made of.
Pretty much some scientists couldn't explain how light displays both charachteristics of both a particle and a wave so they decided to invent a magical element called the aether to explain everything that they couldn't about light.


16:29:27 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Earth:

Yup, exactly. Thousands of years ago they also decided every creature is made of the 4 elements and the fifth made it move - alive.


17:56:35 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Ransom:

no, you guys are both wrong.
the world according the greek philosophers in antiquity was made the of the 4 elements, earth, water, air, and fire. the globe was made of earth, and since earth wanted to be with itself, it caused all the earth that was in the air and water to come back down to it. (gravity).
around the earth was the water, around the water was the air, and around the air was the fire. everything known to man was made from some proportion of these elements.

outside of the ring of fire, there was the aether. the aether was an unchanging, perfect material, and the moon, stars, planets, and the sun were made out of it. what made the heavenly bodies move was the "Divine Mover", which caused the heavenly bodies to orbit, then caused the air to blow, and the water to make waves and have tides. angels moved the divine mover.


18:11:54 Mar 25th 08 - Sir Santa:

Wooooooow, if you did all of this right out of your head your pretty smart, or you just studied this kind of stuff :P

Btw elements, I like the name and the members name but I hate your picture :P


20:09:14 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Earth:

You should see it on the map xD


21:48:24 Mar 25th 08 - Sir Santa:

Please send me a pic of your core, so I can see it :)


22:48:47 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Fire:


23:16:36 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Heimdall:

Mr. Random

Mr. Ransom

 

MLUITS!!


23:51:02 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Scottology:

wow that is one sweet looking core! can i have a slice?


04:15:51 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Halferpants:

what are MLUITS?

and btw, you guys in Element must have a pretty amazing mage to make your entire core invisible. kudos to you!

@Santa, ty, it was on a test in my astronomy class last semester, and I thought it was pretty cool so I just remembered it.


04:21:05 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Heimdall:

MLUITS are pseudo for MULTIS

its a theme on the forum. dont you like anagrams?


04:33:28 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Halferpants:

why is there a stupid multi accusation on like every thread in every forum...

and good luck Element!


04:42:59 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Heimdall:

why is there a stupid multi accusation on like every thread in every forum...

like i said, a theme.

 


16:21:57 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Earth:

Ok, time for a little competition!

What should the next elements' name be?

The most original/best one will get a prize!

Peace,
Earth


16:26:14 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Fire:

Coffee


16:27:12 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Halferpants:

Love

mr. Love would be an awesome name


16:37:52 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Earth:

Mr Love already belongs to a member of Zeon xD

Dont know if he uses the name still xD

Peace,
Earth


18:57:18 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Halferpants:

I always thought Berylium was a cool element name, it has a nice ring to it, and it sounds like it could be a fantasy ruler name as well.

this is fun lol, it's like naming a baby!

Mr. Berylium

Mr. Synthetic

Mr. Ducktape

Mr. Copper

Mr. Iron

Mr. Magnesium

Mr. Ice (actually that might be taken...)

Mr. Speed

Mr. Rock

Mr. Sky

Mr. Wind

Mr. Life

Mr. Soul

Mr. Being

yeah I know those aren't all really elements but some of them sound cool imo


20:16:27 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Midnight:

Quintessence? Not really a element but still.


21:00:01 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Water:

we will have another member?


21:05:03 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Earth:

Well you never know :P


21:46:40 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Pata:

Football is the seventh element!


22:16:09 Mar 26th 08 - Mr. Whipping:

Speede is a person...

what about tranquility


14:00:56 Mar 27th 08 - Mr. Oxygen:

I would like to join please
I have 3 eras experience


11:29:38 Mar 28th 08 - Mr. Fire:

We have spots open for players. If interested, contact Earth, Air or me.

Requirements:

  • Orc
  • Knowledge of the game and good warfare skills
  • Login atleast 5 times a day, being able to login more often if required.
  • Be dead, ready to restart under a new nick.
  • Have MSN.
  • Giving previous names and kingdoms, job in the kingdom (viceroy,mage?) and eras played.
  • Be willing to give up your VU identity and become one with the Elements
  • Communicate
Bonuses:
  • Living in timezone GMT / GMT+1 / GMT+2
  • Being able to check at night if required
  • Good background of kingdoms
  • Having skype
  • Smelling nice

We will consider every application unless any of our members does not want him in because of his background etc.


14:57:07 Mar 28th 08 - Mr. Bogdan:

any of your members would mind if I would join?


15:31:05 Mar 28th 08 - Mr. Might the God of Cows:

:O Bogdan :(


15:37:15 Mar 28th 08 - Sir Kassius The Brownie Bandito:

its probably more useful to have members spread around the timezones, so people dont know when your likely to be asleep


15:44:46 Mar 28th 08 - Mr. Fire:

You see it that way, we see it this way. Easier merging, communicating, no *beep* with planning attacks.


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