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FATE TO BREAK RELATIONS
11:06:19 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Stu:

Hey guys, IM sure many of you will read this and give your personal opinions on this. My job here is to add to the list of KD's that breaks peace aggreeements, and skrews people over for the glory of conquest.

Lets face it this game is about conquest, and war, but a major part of this is agreements and respect for words. Honor, is a thing most KD's would prefer to have over crude power. Anyways heres the story

Im from The Federation, and as we all know FATE has relations with everyone, in this case several cities of theirs were blocking pathways to our KDs war area. There was no way around, so I broke NAP terms and crushed the walls to walk through, didnt harm them what-so-ever.

I got a few letters from them, but none had said that if this happens again, the relations would be terminated, or there would be any consequences. I figured they didnt mind me walking thru that path, considering there were only 50-100 walls on the city with almost no magic protection what-so-ever.

I crushed them a second time a few days later, and FATE broke their ERA long NAP with The Federation. A real low blow considering we basically share a very large area.

Now think about this....

How can the penalty for a minor offense,  be just as great as one of the worst offenses ever ?

A Crush Walls on BLAH, got us into this hot water, and NOT only am I paying the biggest consequence right now, so are all of The Federation. It is not fair, it is not honorable warfare at alll. This game is about politics, and crude power, the power of politics in this game is skewed, because of KDs like this.


11:13:17 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Landry:

sounds like you made you bed and now have to lie in it.  FATE are top notch in my books.


11:14:51 Feb 11th 10 - Clown Penguin The Chilly Willy:

Nap includes no casting on each other. 

Idiot read the nap rules then complain.


11:39:04 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

'There was no way around, so I broke NAP terms and crushed the walls to walk through, didnt harm them what-so-ever'

... so now you sue FATE for your mistake? 


11:43:42 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Gauntlet:

You might have asked nicely first, usually works wonders.


11:48:27 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Millman XIV:

Lol, Stu only makes himself look bad.  After all the bad things that have been said about the Federation this era.  This only adds to the list.  Chaulk this one up to another Federation mistake.  Not sure y u would post this asking y Fate would break their NAP with you after you violated and admitted to violation NAP rules with them twice lol...


12:03:52 Feb 11th 10 - Judge Kobuskan:

Who unbanned Penquin !


12:25:25 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Qassim:

you broke nap terms with fate so they decided to do the same with you guys, you couldn't msg them asking them to open the gates for you? or are they nap'd with the kd your warring?


12:30:51 Feb 11th 10 - Chancellor Ademo The Hellbunny:

We're NAPd with their war targets.

We let the first CW slide but they then thought that gave them a free pass to CW a second time. They weren't apologetic about doing it.. in fact, Stu was quite the smart arse.


12:51:42 Feb 11th 10 - Chancellor Ademo The Hellbunny:

Hrm ok something that slipped my mind that I was just reminded of...

We had "unofficial friendly relations" only. It wasn't an official NAP - They cast on us repeatedly, we retaliated.

Boohoo, go get a tissue.


13:01:10 Feb 11th 10 - Loser The Born Loser The Enforcer:

22:19:55 We received a message from Mr. Stu.
22:15:01 57 walls in Blah got destroyed by magic!
22:14:10 357 walls in Blah got destroyed by magic!

Mr. Stu (2/9/2010 10:19:55 PM) GOOD BAD
Put up walls for decorative purposes ?


*shrug*


13:20:50 Feb 11th 10 - Duke Random:

lol stu, only post in the forum if it's not going to backfire and make you look like an ass...


13:21:24 Feb 11th 10 - Sir Loin:

This topic is locked!!


13:27:12 Feb 11th 10 - Dr. Darkwing Duck:

Stu

I hope Uther kicked your ass around the Fed chat.


13:29:52 Feb 11th 10 - Wolflord Karac:

So Stu, I mean, like, did you think they were going to congratulate you on your genius? What did you think was going to happen? You admittedly BROKE A NAP. Not a little break, not a minor break (twice), you either did, or didnt. And as stated, you broke a NAP, now federation looks even more unhonorable than they did before. And you yourself, just look dumb for posting this.


13:49:26 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Theophilus XV:

I believe Mr. Stu may like a slice of cheese with that whine of his.Considering that I lost my last cities on the other side of FAte cities from the Feds, I have no pity.


13:49:27 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Theophilus XV:

I believe Mr. Stu may like a slice of cheese with that whine of his.Considering that I lost my last cities on the other side of FAte cities from the Feds, I have no pity.


14:18:44 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Rocknrolla:

Break a NAP no matter how small and the other KD is well within their rights to end the agreement.


I would have done the same thing.
The fact they let you off the first time you should have been grateful, I would not have give you the chance to do it a second time.


14:42:13 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Stu:

Im not too sure, but you guys have your points. I did ask nicely for the gates to be opened, there was no way around. Its not my excuse but my point remains VALID:

""So I guess minor offenses have the same consequences as the biggest offense.""

Theyr making all Federation pay for my mistake.

Nice to know what your personal opinions are, regardless.


14:50:15 Feb 11th 10 - Lady Katie Holmes:

I hate to be mean, but after doing it a 2nd time, what possessed you to send a msg taunting about it?

Like, not only will I kick the dragon in the nads (again)...Imma stand over him and laugh and then see what he does...


14:56:23 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Stu:

If anyone also wants to badmouth Federation, plz message me and explain what theyv done in the past.

Im very intrested in learning about two-faced people and KD's.

I know most of you HIV people think im a coward for deserting BF for Fed, but thats just the way it looks.

At the start of the era, BF would not listen to me and secure the core properly,I spent 10+million in troops to prevent HIV spreading into the core, and BF cant even thank me for doing my part, they had their sights set elsewhere, and long before we even saw an HIV army walking into our core I had stated that I would QUIT VU or go native if one blocker got breached, I kept my end of the deal, and you guys just marched right on in and helped yourself to cities with no forces.

I am not a traitor, or coward, I just dont want to be on the same side with people who dont listen to my warnings, and do what is neccesary to at least try and slow down your opponent.


15:02:47 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Stu:

Katie, it was a joke directed at your other NAP aggreements. Im sure they gave you guys hell about not properly arming that city with magic protection to prevent people from walking through it.

If you have walls with no mage back up what-so-ever, they are considered "decorative walls" which is all I said to the person who I offended by breaking them.


15:17:13 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. William Snowman:

dude... you really have a weird brain if it makes you think the way that you think o.0


15:23:27 Feb 11th 10 - Loser The Born Loser The Enforcer:

Stu, I asked Uther to kick you. He did not want to.

To make matters worse, while no one in Fate may have messaged you about the first act of CW that you did, no less than 3 or 4 Fate players messaged Uther regarding it. Dalak and I especially strongly registered our displeasure at that first CW act of yours. The fact that you did it a second time means that Uther failed to correct your actions as a kingdomate and as a leader. And the consequence of playing in a kingdom is it rises and falls with its members; that your second act of stupidity, your kingdom will have to take the hit for it too.

Furthermore, if we did not take action against Federation, how would Fate be viewed by our other NAP partners? Is Fate so easily pushed about that it does not respond to actions taken against it? You CWed our blockers to get to our other NAP partners. While we do not interfere in wars between our NAP partners, we do not tolerate being "pushed" about like what you did.

Finally, walls may have no mage backup, but it is backed up by the will and determination of the entire kingdom. Just like the government and citizens of a country rally and unite together to protect their country against hostile (or stupid) acts from another country...


15:30:41 Feb 11th 10 - Clown Penguin The Chilly Willy:

Stu you are an idiot and stop posting your just making yourself look retarded.


16:10:43 Feb 11th 10 - King Charley The Webnazi Kgb Mod:

Clown Penguin The Chilly Willy



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09:30:41 Feb 11th 10
Stu you are an idiot and stop posting your just making yourself look retarded.
:D


16:54:10 Feb 11th 10 - Ms. Black Mamba:

>NOT only am I paying the biggest consequence right now, so are all of The Federation.

Federation wouldn't have to pay consequences if they didn't let complete imbeciles (i.e. you) join their kingdom.


17:22:04 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

V_V

This is depressing

First of all do not call him an imbecile

I do not stand by his actions on the last CW for i heard about it after it happened and he made the decision on his own accord.

We have broken nap terms by casting and Fate is reacting. End of story. It it what it is.

@ Theo, you're right you shouldnt feel any remorse. You should be jumping around in glee

This is my fault for not keeping a better hold on things and i assure you the bunch i have taken in are good people. Good people make mistakes. I am not talking like OPPS i didnt mean to do that, but

o shit... i shouldn;t have done that.

You all know everyone of you makes mistakes so stop being hypocrites.
Stu has made a mistake by doing it again when you guys obviously drew the line last time, and i made the mistake by thinking that my kingdom got the picture.

I apologize on behalf of my southern brigade.
Stu is lucky that he is still in the kingdom. I have had a good amount of people telling me that i should have booted him but i know we make mistakes. If we do not sift through it together then we are nothing but a lowly band of mercs with no ties to bind us and i refuse to come to that low.

I stand by my family and he is staying.
We must fall and be humbled before getting back up to see new light.


18:54:43 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

Unlike a lot of players in this game i do not repress members for their mistakes. They deserve a second chance and it is the people who dont give them that chance that deters players from playing anymore.

This game is for fun do not forget that


19:11:54 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Path:

Hard to say anything bad about that post.  He's one of the few people in this game who is willing to face the music and not trying to worm their way out of things.


19:39:37 Feb 11th 10 - Judge Kobuskan:

Ban Penguin again.

 

 


19:41:26 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Tyrgalon:

yep, thats the uther I know :)


19:46:09 Feb 11th 10 - Judge Kobuskan:

Music send his respect to Uther Pendragon of The Federation also.


19:59:56 Feb 11th 10 - Dr. Darkwing Duck:

Uther is correct.  It does sound like he did kick his ass in chat too  :P


21:24:16 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

What about the chat?

and Thank you Music for your support.


21:51:19 Feb 11th 10 - Clown Penguin The Chilly Willy:

Ban kobuskan with me !


22:08:47 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

BAN ME BECAUSE BANNING THE TWO OF THEM IS UTHER NONSENSE!

:P


22:27:59 Feb 11th 10 - Ice Prince Shazsaro:

Stu when I the Ice Prince finish my current job on the other worlds u will se some 100k and maybe 500k AM from me and repay for what your kingdom did to me on Zetamania, that was and will be unforgivable and for that in every kingdom I will ever be you and just you will be my first target in all the goddamn game. 'Capidche'

So stop bitching about Fate, you broke a NAP they didnt bitch about it, they kill like 2 armies from you and ur now like pu55ys crying? Pathetic...

'nough said.


22:35:29 Feb 11th 10 - Duke Jictelious The Younger:

"First of all do not call him an imbecile"

Well, he is one in terms of diplomacy.  Can't deny that :)


22:46:15 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

geeze Ice Prince chill out.

no offense but last time i checked its a game right?


22:46:59 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

and no hard feelings(at least from me) on the Imbecile thing, its just a little vulgar.


22:58:16 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Stu:

Well, I guess I learned two things.....

""How can the penalty for a minor offense,  be just as great as one of the worst offenses ever ? ""

Simple, Its just a game called VU.

And also, that im everything everyone said I am.....


23:01:44 Feb 11th 10 - Lady Katie Holmes:

GT or UGA? O.o


23:04:56 Feb 11th 10 - Wolflord Karac:

Sorry Uther, reverse the roles, FATE just breeched your NAP? You wouldn't be outraged? I find that hard to believe, and even harder that you are standing by Stu.

As for not calling him an imbecile, when he realizes his actions and admit it, we will stop.


23:05:04 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

whats that last one supposed to mean?

i wouldn't say that

why are you asking GT or UGA?


23:06:02 Feb 11th 10 - Lady Katie Holmes:

hehe, I heard where you live and was just wondering if you went for Tech or UGA :P  And there is a right answer :P  Maybe they were wrong about where  you live tho >.>


23:06:10 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

Karaci stand by my kingdom mates

even though they may be wrong in their actions they deserve another chance sometimes


23:20:11 Feb 11th 10 - Mr. Pantheon Alive:

Underneath all of this is a constant problem: Getting through Gates of NAP's when Players aren't online at the same time.

"Hey, are you on? Can you open your Gates?"

"I'm on now, are you ready to pass?"

"I'm back now, you on?"

"On for 2 tics, you ready?"

"Sorry, at School  :(  You on now?"

I suggested a way for Allies to designate certain KD's that can pass through their Blockers.... everyone scoffed. I don't agree with Stu, but it is an ongoing frustration.

 


23:25:39 Feb 11th 10 - Lord Uther Pendragon:

yes that would be cool


23:41:04 Feb 11th 10 - Lady Katie Holmes:

Well, that wasn't really the underlying problem in this case, it was more of "No, I can't open the gates for you as a NAP is on the other side"


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