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Gothrim's School for Dwarves
20:33:07 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Next era I'll be providing advanced training for dwarves. So if you feel your dwarvish strat needs those final finishing touches, those last secrets never released on the forums and only known to a half-dozen or so of the top dwarves in VU, then the world to be on is Mantrax and the kingdom to be in is Music. See you there!


20:47:36 Mar 19th 08 - Sir Shyers From The Black Laggon:

hmmmm.....is there an era of gothrim? and is Mant really the place for those "finishing touches"?


20:52:16 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Cobra:

Everybody's an expert...


20:53:09 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Twamao:

yay! im an expert


21:04:30 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. William:

wooohoo dwarfies ae hard too play...


21:44:21 Mar 19th 08 - Duke Ulgrin The Bastard:

The thing with dwarves is you need a LOT of tree... just bundles... I mean, you're going to need fuel for the flame wars later on.


21:46:11 Mar 19th 08 - Duke Argyle:

Why not teach people how to play other races? I mean, dwarf is so easy you don't even have to make an effort to be good... :S teach me how to play really really good with orc!


21:59:10 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Gilth:

There is no skill in being good with Dwarf.
It's a lot harder to be very good, efficient and a help to your Kingdom while being playing Dwarf. And I'm sure there are many great Dwarven players out there, but if 1 of them, like Gothrim wants to offer help to anyone interested, he should be able to do so without being ridiculed...


yeah yeah, now I'm going to get it about not reading into the nice sarcasm all the above posts had..


22:53:46 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Justanius The Revengful:

lol enough with the the stingy remarks all u guys hu just said that aint even half as good as gothrim lol


23:11:33 Mar 19th 08 - Duke of Dark Blood:

Justanius you suck >_<

So do you Gothrim! Booo Whore!


23:11:41 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

I was expecting this. If one's thread doesn't get flamed then one must be doing something wrong. ;) There could be nothing worse than being ignored, lol.

And note I never claimed to be the best dwarf, merely one of the best. I have fought alongside Sloth, Lenard (who was also Asystole), Virgin, Legend, and some others. I have learned much from them and happily admit that they are better than me. As are doubtless a player here and there from Legacy or DB. Few others are better, though.

And we will be training on Mantrax to rebuild some new people and bring them up to speed. Music already has excellent orcs, trolls and the like but needs big-thinking dwarves. The focus will be on scale. For example, how do you reach a 16 million/tick income while at the same time constantly contributing to the good of the kingdom? Many dwarves play merely adequate games but don't think big enough and don't know how to handle the growth curve.

Therefor training will include such things as the accelerators and building factors that allow you to tune your login times to match the city peasant algorithm. We will also handle advanced city-placement, dwarves as magic-casters superior to elves, and so on.

I'm looking for active, bright players who will be captivated by the idea of  building the solid dwarven backbone for a new super-kingdom. Music will be the vehicle and Mantrax will be where we start out afresh.


00:30:52 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Cobra:

Your post is funny on so many levels, you should really look into being a comedian.


01:03:42 Mar 20th 08 - Sir Soccerrogue:

who is gothrim? a music player claiming to be one of the best? never though i would see such mockery..............


01:20:43 Mar 20th 08 - Sir Shyers From The Black Laggon:

careful, Goat-rim is hard to handle , now


01:22:32 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Brannigans Law:

i played alongside asystole, does that make me one of the best orcs on the game?

in that case i will be training bright new players to be advanced orcs in dark trio, i will teach you how the best orcs pump nazguls all era!


01:29:37 Mar 20th 08 - Duke of Dark Blood:

I am Asytole, does that make me the super best in the game?


01:37:08 Mar 20th 08 - Sir Shyers From The Black Laggon:

well i'm the best bater in the game, i will train people to be masters...althou i heard  Cobra is even better than me.


01:37:25 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Borazon:

too bad u spelled it wrong...


01:41:53 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:

I am Might. I have been me all game and near me. That makes me the best Elf ever. Scientist is a wanabe.


01:47:48 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Spermstorm:

I stood next to David Beckham and got his autograph once.

If you ever need any free-kick advice or football training, give me a holla.


08:17:59 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

So far the attempted put-downs don't amount to much. Indeed, two attempts from Mr Cobra are a good sign, lol. But the handful players who fought alongside me in Phi and Abydos, and whose opinions would count, aren't there. ;)

I repeat. I'm looking to build a dwarven backbone for a new super-kingdom, starting with Music on Mantrax. This is your chance.


08:31:40 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Kobuskan:

I will join


09:02:44 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Digger:

Playing dwarf is easy enough, to make a new super kingdom you'll need people who can play orc, human, halfer well.


10:27:28 Mar 20th 08 - Sir Revenge:

I have learned a bundle from Abydos this era , I havent actually asked many questions or anything
Ive learnt how to suicide a 100k Axer-army  { Dolfyn lol }
But on serious, I have learnt alot from just watching the Army movements
The guide is simple but effective
Dwarf can own all, and I need experience still
Sloth is a master, as is many from Abydos
<3 Abydos


10:56:55 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Kobuskan:

Found some intell on Gothrim and he sure is a dwarfmaster

Most Powerful Rulers round 30

Rank Ruler Kingdom Race Score
Fantasia
1. Mr. Grumpyoldbastard Dark Blood Dwarf 13189131
2. Mr. Legend Abydos Dwarf 11985990
3. Mr. Gothrim Abydos Dwarf 9967005


11:05:30 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Penguin:

i thought i was dwarven master smith ;(


11:09:46 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Dolfyn:

he uses whip on his dwarfs ...  I got some dwarfs for him last era and they were shaved for not working overtime to increase Gothrim`s revenue ... :D


11:18:39 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Justanius The Revengful:

gothrim was leading 1/3rd of last era and also..u db guys r just jelous


13:00:23 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Cobra:

Wow he knows how to whore for score? Impressive. Only a tard would think that hoh rank actually translates into skill. Don't worry I'm sure you'll be great next era on Mantrax.


13:21:43 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Sir Shyers wrote: "hmmmm.....is there an era of gothrim?"

Mr Cobra wrote: "Only a tard would think that hoh rank actually translates into skill."

OK so we'll make a little sandpit and you two can duke it out. But don't come crying to Mummy if you hurt yourselves.

Now, as to the point you two have both failed to make. A critical component of a skilled dwarf is the scale on which he thinks; he must think big and build big. Really big dwarven armies can boost costs to 10 million per tick whenever they move, like the one I had that was helping to chase Legacy back to their core in Era 30. The HoH rankings are merely accidental--it is really quite difficult to avoid a high HoH ranking with an army like that since few know how to build and maintain them. Capice?


13:26:23 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Hanky Panky:

Owned.  lol :P


13:46:12 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Anubis:

lol


14:20:45 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Dolfyn:

I say that Cobra is just jealous .... and Shyers .. to be a great player u don`t need to get an era named after you.

PS: I still have some barb wire, Shyers! ... just kidding! don`t take it too personal please :D


14:35:27 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. White Widow:

Ok first......Hahahahahahahahahaha

Next Dwarf is by far the easiest race in this game....Build fat mines, and load them up with cavers. Then use the huge income to put out massive weak ass armies the crush your upkeep late in the era. Keeping up with Pez for those armies on a war front can start to suck, since the troops are so weak.

If you really wanna help your KD learn to be good in a warring race, not a whoring one. I have played dwarf, once maybe twice in my years and I would rip you into pieces as a Dwarf.

If you are one of the great few of vu, then you can take any race and turn it into a war machine, not just Dwarf. Take a Hafling, not have a single HOH town, or army and win the era (maybe). Then come to the forums to brag about your greatness. As greatness comes with warring, not whoring.

That is why people are giving you crap. So when you realize how retarded you sound then maybe you will come down from your high horse and go master a real race.


15:14:09 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Kobuskan:

Mr White Widow is LGC that explains all


15:53:51 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. William:

its hard to build a huge dwarfen army? do i see that clearly? plz... you must be joking.... making a huge Dwarfen HoH army and maintain it is easy as hell...


16:46:42 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Brannigans Law:

gothrims tactics are only any good in a succesfull kingdom, cos unless youre in abydos or lgc etc, you cant sit there all era farming and only pump troops later on, thats the reason gothrim has lost against Gauls in Mantrax this era, he shouldve been pumping troops earlier.

but i think devi is right, if you spent this much effort into playing orc, i think youd be much more effective. and more importantly youd enjoy playing it more!


16:52:38 Mar 20th 08 - Sir Shyers From The Black Laggon:

Goat-rim i've duked it out with Cobra before, he doesn't play fair. or did you just want to see to hot studs wrestling in the sand? I think hanky has something like that on vid you could borrow ..all in all I'm glad to see you giving back to the VU community, we need someone to   keep these 13 yr old boys and homeless bums playing via library pc, under control


16:53:53 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Kobuscan wrote: "Mr White Widow is LGC that explains all"

Yeah, lol.

I have fought Legacy twice. Once for Phi in Era 29 and once for Abydos in Era 30. On neither occasion did any dwarf from Legacy come remotely close to ripping any of us to shreds. (Thanks of course to the names I've mentioned above and many others).

Secondly, Legacy maintained a massive dwarf/halfling backbone in those eras, as did Phi/Abydos. It is very rich to see Legacy players suddenly dissing dwarves and "whoring" when such were the props on which their strength depended for so long.

Finally, I never anywhere in my post suggested that I'm here to train the fists or teeth of a new super-kingdom. Those might be the trolls and orcs, if you choose to see it that way. I am here to train the backbone. The new backbone of Music on Mantrax. Join the fun!


17:00:39 Mar 20th 08 - Sir Shyers From The Black Laggon:

got any takers yet :)


17:06:56 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Vexsloth:

it seems to me, ever since dwarves had their science made much more expensive, orcs and trolls have had the strongest armies on fantasia. but thats just an observation, i havent actually made an army except oop in quite a while :)


17:14:53 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Brannigans Law wrote: "gothrims tactics are only any good in a succesfull kingdom, cos unless youre in abydos or lgc etc, you cant sit there all era farming and only pump troops later on, thats the reason gothrim has lost against Gauls in Mantrax this era, he shouldve been pumping troops earlier."

No, not so. By my analysis, we lost for two reasons. First was an economic failure. We failed to dominate the stone market and thereby allowed Skimanner to create a super-elf. In other words a low-land StG'ing elf. Such are terrible to behold and Ski did very very well at it. I give him all due kudos for that, but with the proviso that such a strat will not work on a world where human StG'ers are active enough. This forced me to StG myself on a vast scale but it was too little too late. Next era Kobuskan will be human, so we hope to put an end to such a possibility. (Oh and another very active human, perhaps one with a west-coast US timezone, would be very welcome)

The second failure was purely a failure of scale. Gauls were 50% bigger than Music and Trio gradually moved in and took up a large part of our core, causing major problems of organization. We had no mines and armories at all near one blocker because the whole area was taken up by Trio mines. Henceforth, no more "refugees" should be allowed in a Music core without a game-long "same friends same enemies" MAP.


17:15:41 Mar 20th 08 - Sir Revenge:

I bet he has atleast two  ^_^
Seems a fair plan, while your there you can learn Hafling too I guess from Kobuskan  xD


17:33:31 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Duke Corrilin:

I feel that most of those dissing him dont seem to be too smart.i have been doing some snooping as usual and just so everyone knows i believe gothrim could be the best dwarf in the world.most people in this post have never seen or fought him.i am currently fighting his KD and although i havent really seen many armies frmo him.only about one or two they were well sustained armies which were good.the insertion that to play dwarf good is rubbish.you mean to think your playing dwarf good is easy.playing dwarf good means that you minimize the disadvantages and maximize the advantages.so far most people who have said that they have player dwarf good and itis crap arent very smart.the first and second options contradict each other.if you are playing good dwarf then it shouldnt be a disadvantage.


18:36:16 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Ftw:

If you really wanna help your KD learn to be good in a warring race, not a whoring one.

Here! Here!

If you are one of the great few of vu, then you can take any race and turn it into a war machine, not just Dwarf.

Yes!

Take a Hafling, not have a single HOH town, or army and win the era (maybe).

Warring with Halfer is hard, but making HOH towns and armies isnt. Winning an era as halfer is harder than Dwarf but lets see people take troll and orc as a race and make people good enough to heavily influence wars for their KD and then we might see some start to win an era.

 

Duke Corralin
 I tried to make sense of your post but i couldnt. Try and explain better


18:57:45 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Vexsloth wrote: "it seems to me, ever since dwarves had their science made much more expensive, orcs and trolls have had the strongest armies on fantasia. but thats just an observation, i havent actually made an army except oop in quite a while :)"

Sloth, I agree that orcs have the best attacking armies, and trolls after them. My analogy of fists and teeth above. But for me the issue is attrition. Having a huge dwarven army come up to a newly taken blocker and help handle the counter-attack does spare the orcs some punishment. How would a kingdom composed purely of orcs handle the attrition? Then you have to weigh in player personality. Some are "natural" orcs and some have a mindset which favors them being dwarves.

So, is any kingdom gonna volunteer to go orc-only on Fant next era? Since they yammer so much, how about....Legacy! :)


19:03:26 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Vexsloth:

Yes, sucks to be an orc who loses his era-long 50k nazgul army :)


19:42:42 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. Duke Corrilin:

I will try to explain a bit better.everyone is trying to make fun of gothrim saying itis easy to be a good dwarf when in fact itis no.it is easy to think you are a good dwarf but if you was truly a good dwarf you would be able to use your advantages to cover your disadvantages.everyone is saying use a good race but personally i think races are just good at different things.itis because everyone thinks dwarves are not good that they do no try to think big when they are them but try to play safe which leads to few of them winning eras since the science price improvements.i favour trolls even though they arent a good overall troops in economy.


21:01:53 Mar 20th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

you would be suprised how many poor dwarven players are around. many dwarves that come to abydos need to be totally retaught how to play. Gothrim knows how to play dwarf, i admit it is easy and i have forsaken dwarf because it is too easy. but training newbs in any race is a good idea.


21:27:52 Mar 20th 08 - Mr. White Widow:

Im not knocking what he is doing, but how he put himself on a pedestal for being one of the best dwarf players, for 1 era placing 3rd.


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