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I hate elves!!
19:59:47 Mar 18th 09 - Mr. Burninglegion:

i am never being of elf race again, i have had major losses before but i just lost 52 thousand mu's on dispel

6 failures , starting with a 60 percent , 54, 44, 39,33,30

all weavers are dead ...

 

the thing is my armys was only 4 ticks away .... such crap!!


20:01:10 Mar 18th 09 - Mr. Condinho:

should have stoped after the first 3 attempts...


20:02:55 Mar 18th 09 - Lady Santa The Green Eyed:

This is my first try as a real mage and even I know not to do something as stupid as that...


20:30:09 Mar 18th 09 - Duke Herodotus of Halicarnassus:

Uber Phail  :p

 

 


20:47:13 Mar 18th 09 - Mr. Mcmax:

LOL.

BL - hard to write (no it isn't) - but even the gameengine doesn't support you much.


21:15:34 Mar 18th 09 - Demonslayer Scientist:

Elves hate you right back.


21:33:21 Mar 18th 09 - Flame Lord Phoeinx:

lol    i love being elf >=-)    but you do get unlucky sometimes i have had a 80%+
on a spell before and it still failed but not only did it fail but it killed all my mu's in the process of failing.  but i am still elf era after era XD


21:39:23 Mar 18th 09 - Mr. Porkupinez:

Lul

Lern 2 Play


21:43:08 Mar 18th 09 - Sir Magnetassium:

And you spelled your own name wrong, Phoeinx.


21:47:10 Mar 18th 09 - Lady Santa The Green Eyed:

Or is that just a trick of him...


23:34:44 Mar 18th 09 - Mr. Kobaltic:

You just have to know how to do it right mr Burninglegion

Hereby an example from last era, i maybe blew up 30k MU and 15k MT but it was worth it 

 

How not to enter an enemies core.

Magic

Casting Eye in the sky from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 95% chance of success... and Successful!
Through the eye we can see this information about The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxxx[Dark]:
Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxxxxx
Gaia:1
Hammerthrowers:0
Ogres:0
Shamans:7607
Nazguls:25686
Peasants:0

How to burn 20k nazz in 60seconds

Magic

Casting Rain of fire from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 63% chance of success... and Successful!
Fire rains from the sky and 6659 men in The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxx[Dark] got burned to death

Magic

Casting Rain of fire from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 64% chance of success... and Successful!
Fire rains from the sky and 5327 men in The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxx[Dark] got burned to death

Magic

Casting Rain of fire from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 64% chance of success... and Successful!
Fire rains from the sky and 4262 men in The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxxx[Dark] got burned to death

Magic

Casting Rain of fire from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 64% chance of success... and Successful!
Fire rains from the sky and 3409 men in The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxxx[Dark] got burned to death

Magic

Casting Rain of fire from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 64% chance of success... and Successful!
Fire rains from the sky and 2728 men in The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxxxx[Dark] got burned to death

Magic

Casting Rain of fire from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 65% chance of success... and Successful!
Fire rains from the sky and 2182 men in The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxx[Dark] got burned to death

Magic

Casting Rain of fire from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 67% chance of success... and Successful!
Fire rains from the sky and 1746 men in The Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxxxxx[Dark] got burned to death

Magic

Casting Eye in the sky from Darujhistan upon Legion of Gaia with 97% chance of success... and Successful!
Through the eye we can see this information about The Legion of Gaia from xxxxxx[Dark]:
Legion of Gaia from Mr. xxxxxx
Gaia:1
Hammerthrowers:0
Ogres:0
Shamans:1595
Nazguls:5387
Peasants:0

 


23:37:07 Mar 18th 09 - Endless Delight:

7K Shamans? bwahahaha

Was that one of the Fant fries that happened? Thought there were a couple like that ^_^


23:38:31 Mar 18th 09 - Demonslayer Scientist:

Fail in the greatest sense...lol


23:58:16 Mar 18th 09 - Chancellor Ademo:

omg lol

and yes, continuing to cast in the 30% range is just silly.


23:58:16 Mar 18th 09 - Chancellor Ademo:

yay for double posting..


03:59:33 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Griffith:

wow 20k Nazzies in 60 seconds



04:28:29 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Killstone:

ya know if you have a really fast com and 75k nazzies you coulda killed 25k nazzies almost instantly ;)


04:40:00 Mar 19th 09 - Praetorian Wyzer:

LOL Too bad I don't have the C&P from the time Epyon and I RoF'd a horde merge down to a 50K size army.

Talk about spot on and working the double, I don't even think we had but one Fail each :-)

Elf is uber compared to all the races I have played, and I have played them all.


07:25:10 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

this was just bad luck - you had about 260% chance overall; I know how you felt - like losing money at a Poker Machine - 'I havent been succesfull this time - but I should be next time'. And I also know it is hard to stop it - when you really need it.


13:42:46 Mar 19th 09 - General Ezatious:

how do you get 260% lol


19:21:52 Mar 19th 09 - Flame Lord Phoeinx:

with a little bit of drugs anything is possible.   =-P


19:52:13 Mar 19th 09 - Sir Death Proof:

I have been a mage 4 times in this game, and quickly I learned that there is a losing streak involved here. Condinho was right if you get three misfires in a row, close out of the game wait a few. Log back in and it's worked for me. Now I may be superstitious, but its never failed me doing it this way. I saw a kid trying to cast freeze like seven times in a row with over 70% chance and failed SEVEN TIMES. I made him quit log out and try it again at 63% and it was successful.


19:58:22 Mar 19th 09 - Lady Santa The Green Eyed:

I failed eits 7 times yesterday :(


21:07:19 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Killstone:

glad meant the chances added up were 260% but thats not how you figure it out. correct my math if i did soemthing wrong but i got the average of the chances (260/6) = 43 (about) and then take the average chance and divide it by the nubmer of times tried so 43/6 = 7.16666... chance of failing on ALL the casts which is bad luck =P


21:29:00 Mar 19th 09 - Lady Santa The Green Eyed:

To calculate the total chance of failing all you take the % of failing the first cast times the fail% of the second times the 3rd etc. Don't have the proper equipment for that though :(
Your way could be right 2 though ;)


21:47:06 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Zyrike:

there is no total chance of failing, you simply have a chance each time, if chance added up, our percent of getting something good to happen to us has a millions of zeros, but chance doesnt add up or good things would happen every millisecond to us


21:55:28 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

talking about probabilities - and to make it simple if you have a 50% chance and take your chance 2 times then the probability to be succesfull is 1. Here it was 2.6. Don't know if you learn this subject at school guys - but if you dont trust me, take a diece with 6 faces (obviously) roll it 6,000 times and you shuld have about 1,000 each number. The probability of having a number in one roll is 1/6.

The same way if you cast a spell at 33% for 3 times - your theoretical chance of being succesfull is 100%.


22:17:23 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Alatril:

I agree with Death Proof - if you have a good percentage and fail 2 times in a row, log out then back in and try again...it'll may take a little time, but it's better than a loosing a sh1t load of mu's/towers.



22:19:51 Mar 19th 09 - Mr. Burninglegion:

Pretty popular forum , so its safe to assume that ... everyone agrees that the engine for casting percentages is without a doubt in the need of fixing

 

Well good day chums .. i gtg work

 

-BL 


22:21:10 Mar 19th 09 - Lady Santa The Green Eyed:

Gladiatorul, you actually destroyed your own theory. If you have a chance of 50% and you take it twice, the chance of succeeding once is still 50%. Like with the dices. Theres a chance of 1/6 to roll a 1, so if you roll 6 times, there's still a chance of 1/6 to get one 1. The chance to get 3 1's though would be (1/6)^3 thus 1/216.


22:50:07 Mar 19th 09 - VU Admin:

In theory I think a probability over 100% would mean it would affect other dimensions also :P


22:50:25 Mar 19th 09 - Duke Random:

no BL, you are just a tard.... seriously... you gotta be pretty desperate to cast under 50%

do you attack under that... nope.... then why the hell would you cast that low....


22:57:31 Mar 19th 09 - Sir Roheran:

chance is exactly that, chance. nothing in chance is 100% guaranteed. unless it is coded chance  ;)


23:08:28 Mar 19th 09 - Flame Lord Phoeinx:

lol @ the admin  XD it i supposed to be magic so i think other dimensions are capable of being effected ;-P


00:38:06 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Zyrike:

thank you Santa, Glad, what is your education level?

Yeah the other dimensions are probably findings 20k nazzies waiting to be taken over by gaia every second


01:12:45 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

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3/20/2009 7:50:07 AMIn theory I think a probability over 100% would mean it would affect other dimensions also :P

By definition the probability can't be over 1. What I meant though - the practical understanding of this.

Say you have 2 events with 100% chance - you get the 2 of them - and your chance at the start of the first event is 200% ( assuming you have planned to hit 2 times). Similarly, if your chance is 50% for one event - then on 2 events which are independent should be 100%. Can't remember how this 'chance' is called in math terms (I think the 'frequency') - but it is obviously easy to test it - using a one dollar coin.


01:14:54 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

@Zyrike - engineering degree and a couple of postgrad studies


01:40:19 Mar 20th 09 - General Ezatious:

fail


01:53:28 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

too late for me - maybe not for you


02:00:15 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

Mr. Alatril

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3/20/2009 7:17:23 AMI agree with Death Proof - if you have a good percentage and fail 2 times in a row, log out then back in and try again...it'll may take a little time, but it's better than a loosing a sh1t load of mu's/towers.

If I would be visiting you with 50k nazz - you would change your mind, surely


02:11:54 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Theophilus VII:

Good Grief people! You dont ADD percentages, you multiply. Probability is what its called, not frequency. And each attack is independant of the last one, we aren't playing yatzee.

Its as it says:

a 50% attack has a 1 out of 2 chances of being successful. A second chance of 50% has a 1 out of 2 chances of being succesful. A third attack of 30% has a 30% chance of being succesful. They are NOT dependant on passed socres and success rates.  Percentages DONT work like that.

With Dice, rolling one, you have a 1/6 chance of getting any number. Rolling again, you STILL have a 1/6 chance of getting any number. Now, if you had, at the beggining, said, Im going to roll this twice. I have a 2/6 chance of getting any particular number. Thats becuase you have 6 possible digits, and 2 tries to get that number. But this game doesn't work like that.

Stop frying your brains with math and take the percentages as accurate, even if you loose a boat load of troops on an 80% success rate attack.


02:26:44 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

Theo - the 'end point' when you planning to cast a spell (say RF) is how many times can you get it right - and this is based on what your chance is and how many times you can affort to cast.

Forget everything else, and think this way - this way a magician thinks, generaly. I know this is confusing many brains, including yours - and that's the reason I won't add anymore to this subject.

For wise magicians up there - this must have been a good thinking exercise.

My conclusion - the guy was deeply unlucky. Can't say if that was/was not a poor decision for him to continue casting. It all depends of what your situation is. I remember once I had about 50k MUs and an army of 8k nazz just about to take my city. My first RF was at 40% (succesfull) and then the next at higher %, just because he lost MUs in the army. I cleaned 6k nazz - and he just left. I would have lost my MUs anyway. 


02:35:13 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:

Ah - one more thing and I am done.

Elon from Heaven can confirm that. Don't know what was his chance of RF against my army (maybe below 20% with 150-200k MUs). But he didn't try and he lost all his MUs. Right / Wrong, who knows - 20% chance is better than 0% chance - this is how I see it.


02:58:02 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Theophilus VII:

Im just saying that the RoF you are casting now is NOT dependant on whether or not you got it right the last time, therefore, you wouldn't have a 100% chance of getting it the second time if you failed the first time at 50% chance. You sill only have a 50% chance.

And Look at it like this, not as percent pass, but chance of failure. It will make you much more cautious. 20% is 80% failure rate. unless youa re going to be whiped out, dont take the odds.


03:01:06 Mar 20th 09 - Sir Caradoc:

glad., your post with the 50 and 100 percents chances going to 100 and 200 respectivly, thats not the way math works. the chances with two 50%'s is 50%. 100% *2 would not be over 100% chance of hitting, it would just hit twice with no misses. plus if you have a six sided dice, (example everyone uses), you have a 1/6 chance of rolling a 5. that chance is 1/6 EVERYTIME you roll. this is not oh i rolled a 1,2,3,4,6 already, im going to get a 5 now. no its going to be another 1/6 chance. though statisticly speaching, 1/6 times you should roll a 5 but it wont happen. go get a dice and start rolling 102 times. tell me the results. i bet you wont get 17 [1's,2's,3's,4's,5's,6;s]. I betting you will roll more like (20) 1's (5) 2's exex.

 

so yeah, trying to use magic always blows in this game. even with 2 64% chances, or 5 in a row like i have had, will not guarntee whatever you are casting (or fighting, thats why i farm)


03:40:51 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Theophilus VII:

Yup. Caradoc has the right Idea.

Farming is fun. Im more of a defensive expansionist than an imperialist.


03:44:52 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Burninglegion:

The point is , i was desperate

after the first 3 times , i was down 26K Mus and so pissed off that i contuined even with such low percentages

I will state a fact im sure some of you should know already ..

no computer or machine other then a living creature can create a true random percentage ... because computers cannot way odds and can not think of their own free will the whole chance thing goes out the window

they are programmed with a set line of Successful and failures ... the only part of luck is catching the right chain of success and failures

and i hope your smart enough to understand what i mean and not attempt to insult me with some 3rd grade knowledge .. ps. i hate you all , Lol

-BL


04:13:19 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Theophilus VII:

BL-, I've put up with you for Eras on end. I demand you take that bad. bahaha.


04:35:09 Mar 20th 09 - Mr. Bongs:

This was my 1st era being elf and it was not to bad. I have learned alot about the race since a guide dont tell you everything but the guide i got was writin by ex lgc elf :)

Im gunna try it again and see how i really like it since i got a better understanding of it!!

And hey admin! Thanks for another fun era!! :)


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