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MAD multying
02:27:41 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Moe Lester:

So, once again we're faced with MAD being deleted for multying during eras. This must be what, the 5th + time now, and by no means is this any exaggeration: MAD are widely considered to, at least at the top leadership branch of their kingdom, to be heavily involved in multying and their activity patterns always matched this. Hell, we've even seen people leave their kingdom over time in disgust at their multying antics and openly dissent against MADs multying ethics. This isn't to say all of MAD multi, the lower members are probably obvlivious to this, but it's always the repeated higher ups who are caught red handed.

Shouldn't a line be drawn though? And by that, I mean a complete ban imposed by ZeTa? It doesn't come as a surprise to anybody to find MAD in the multi deletion logs each era, and I just logged in the game to see masses of cities gone from the map. When I noticed they were MAD cities, I knew what it had to be. A quick look up on the deletion list, and it's the usual suspects: MAD, all around.


Strawberry	berry	(Too many accounts)
Black Ice black (Too many accounts)
Hilario larry (Too many accounts)
Dark daffodiL28 (Too many accounts)


Now, they might of been able to shun the earlier debacle in the era, where MAD members left their kingdom and MAD took over their "rebel" member cities, which many of us thought to be an obvious sign of feeding. They might of been able to give a reason as to how Black Ice was able to create 480k catas in an army (before he was deleted) and send it out today, alas they were easil dispatched. But this? I wouldn't be surprised to find that they're speechless now their caught, once again, for running multiple accounts in MAD during the era to gain an advantage.

I don't normally like the petitions, or those sort of things. But surely something has to be done about the rampant multying? Had the MAD multies not been around this era, we would of stomped the remainder of MAD, and PHI quite easily. But because these multies, *beep*peatedly multi every round and are deleted for it each time weren't banned for life, they were able to sufficiently delay and impede our attacks, creating a standstill. Without them, it'd be red, blue and white flags all around. But the cheats survived long enough to delay us.


So what say you? What should be done? Tighter regulations, what?



02:34:20 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Moe Lester:

These are the sort of armies the multies were producing before they were deleted, btw, which would support the allegations of their feeding through multiple accounts.


 Stging from Mr. Black Ice
 Swordsmen:1
 Archers:0
 Knights:0
 Magicians:139514
 Catapults:483832
 Peasants:0


The armies I listed above from MAD were the only ones I recognised at first. There are likely to be more, less vocal ones that were deleted, too.


02:50:23 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Killstone:

huh wow um might i recal a 200k cata army from a certian member of a red bannered KD which was figured out that certian perosn would have needed 5 mil income for quiet a while (impposible times actually) to achieve such a goal. Plus that person is also a mage who spent a lot on magic science and MUs for his amgic town and MTs and such and yet still came out with an army that the only possible way it could have been created was through some form of feeding or something like that

plus MAD hasnt really done mcuh to impede your attacks and you know that its been Phi thats been holding you off all era. do i sense that LGC is getting weaker?

and then last of all GROW UP! YOU PEOPLE CANT NOT WIN A WAR WITHOUT THROWING CRAP AT PEOPLE! I AM SICK OF IT!


02:58:04 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Sigheart:

Killstone your being retarded, ever heard of STG? Also a LOT of players have stone bought from Sun.


02:58:48 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Moe Lester:

  • Binh had been stging. He's human. I've got excerpts from my news showing this.
  • You aren't explaining how MAD had one guy with near enough 500k catas, over double the amount Binh had, and you're accusing Binh of being fed.
  • Had MAD not been multying with these extra accounts, they would of had less troops produced (both from feeding and from the extra accounts), meaning we would of easily stomped you both.

These guys are repeatedly deleted each round. And we've seen ex-MAD members openly admit that the MAD leadership have several multi-players. I don't know about your case, but it seems EVERY era MAD is deleted for multying.


03:13:11 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. The Gladiator:

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I dont think that banning an empire will do any good, but rather make things worse because of people frustrated who will want revenge on zeta. I say to put an official rule that kingdom leaders are obligated to put an eye out on multiings and report them to admin or if doubting it, notice the admin.. Everyone would be more scared of multiing; the kd leader getting his kd banned because he did not report people who he knew multiedi n his kd; players would be afraid that even they are friends with leader they might get banned and decide to play straight.

Of course there would still be some multiers, but at least less than before, making the game better and more fair for everyone. :P  what do you think???

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03:15:14 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Moe Lester:

Well Gladiator, I don't think anybody would neccessarily suggest to ban the KD. But when people multi half a dozen times or more, in half a dozen or more rounds -- effectively interfering in the play and hampering anothers growth before being deleted -- shouldn't they risk a total ban at some point?

Obviously these guys aren't learning if we repeatedly see them on the deletion list for multying, era in, era out. The punishment isn't strong enough, which is why they repeatedly do it. So what will stop them multying for good?


03:24:51 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Arch Shade:

Yeah and others get hurt; who are innocent...


03:30:19 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Killstone:

i did my math moe and if my calculations and estamites are true with the price of all his MUs outside of fighting armies and MTs and everything costing bihn 250 mil all era long (never been amge but i thought that seemed like an accurate price correct me nicely if im wrong pelase) he would have needed to have 5 mil income 435 ticks into the era which i highly doubt is possible... and i didnt count the cost of MUs for his armies i didnt take into consideration army upkeep or any other expenses besides my calculations on his army price increase (which came out to be 10k per cata or so if my calculations are accurat and the forumlas work the same for all races) i could be dreadfully wrong because i dont know the formulas and everyhting very well but that was waht i came out with which sounds nearly imposible


03:39:09 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. The Gladiator:

I don't think the admin would be ready to put an ip ban, but mmy thing is pretty interesting i think, it's one step further into improving the game, and it would already be an improvement if kd leaders were obliged to report muliers they know in their empire and keep an eye out..

Edit: Iknow it's very bad for others and the game medieval/politics/fun in general but don't you think that those multiers might be diven by the attempt to kill legacy which have a lot of players buying bonus turns for cash?? Not encouraging multiers eithe but look at their point of view

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03:39:34 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Donald Merwin Elbert:

Had the MAD multies not been around this era, we would of stomped the remainder of MAD, and PHI quite easily.

lol. This is a tiny bit of exaggeration yes? Phi is clearly the reason that you have been unable to win this battle... Lgc vs Phi blocker in the east, DB vs Phi blocker in the west. If either falls, its game over, but MAD haven't been more than a minor distraction (no offense to them of course).

Sigheart -> Killstone your being retarded, ever heard of STG? Also a LOT of players have stone bought from Sun. Killstone was referring to Binh not Sun. I understand Binh was also STG'ing although Sun buys 90%+ of my stone.


03:41:13 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Moe Lester:

Did you read what I said, Killstone? Did you?

I've said Binh is human, he gets stone discount, and I've got instances in my news where I've seen him STGing. He was not fed. I can assure you that. But 480k cats from one MAD person? That has to be feeding. But you aren't willing to concede that -- you pin the guy with half that figure, who has been seen actively stging -- while you ignore the guy who got double that number from nowhere.

In any case, this is OT. The thread is about MADs multying. Don't support it.


03:46:10 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Hewhowasdeleted:

My account was deleted as my name states.

But I can swear on my life that I was not a multi. Me and my brother share a computer because we aren't super rich and have two.

My account was Arthion and my bros was Brinsbane. If you look at our styles of play it is completely different. plus I am a lot better. I was 6th on Zeta he was unranked. if I was a multi wouldn't they be a lot closer.

I was unfairly deleted and I can't believe the Admin would after I have e-mailed them countless times explaining that we were not multies, because we were trying to deal with temporally banning at the time.


03:49:33 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Tommy Chong:

I support Swifty



04:21:58 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Sun:

Today is very interesting... first a 480k cata army from MAD got rof-ed to 40k .... then its owner's deletion with many others in the same kingdom......

The difference between black ice and binh is quite obvious. Binh did a lot more stg throughout the era and extremely actively stging for selectively a couple weeks. Black ice did a lot less stg, and almost none after the first few weeks. Black ice did not land drop, and we clearly could verify this with vision over a couple of his cities. Binh's 200k cata is very possible with legit strategy, he is a mage but obviously did not have as much magic power as sloth etc, which indicated that he was planning something else such as saving up a large sum for a huge cata training. If you do the math, the cost of 200k cata is quite reasonable at base price with armories. The cost of 480k however is completely out of the question without landdrop, which could only be explained by feeding, now confirmed by the multi deletion.

This certainly cannot be taken lightly. Nothing ruins the reputation of a kingdom more than the abuse of multiple accounts. The community as a whole must go against such actions that undermine the foundation of the game.


04:46:06 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Lenard:

Binh's was suspicious. Anyhow, it seems MAD was feeding, I'm not sure how. I'm guessing through the Spartans KD? Aren't Black Ice, Strawberry, Hilario all long time members of MAD? I seem to remember them all from many eras ago...can someone really get away with multying for many eras and the leadership of a KD not knowing?

Arespreditor is another name I recognize from Predators. Were there any others there? I didn't get to fight them so I'm not sure


04:55:11 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Ridukuluz:

Zeta is the one to blame.  He allows multis to play and then deletes them when the era is ending.  He allows crosswalls to be formed. He allows riverjumping and wall jumping.


04:56:46 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Donald Merwin Elbert:

not riverjumping anymore ;-)


05:01:27 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Ridukuluz:

the point is, he can stop all of it.  But he wont.  It has been a problem for the past eras.  Every era there is a thread about multies and people jumping around.


05:03:56 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Might:

Arespreditor isn't a multi.


05:27:32 Nov 23rd 07 - Lady Lacewing:

Ridikuluz, Zeta has a life.  If he were to tend to his game 24/7 we'd all be paying a subscription fee.

I think there should be more multi sweeps (not one per era and just at the end, but perhaps weekly).  Or maybe a bit of coding that checks IP when a new account is formed.

Might, what happened to his city?  Did a Carnage member burn it?  (I don't think so, the 100k army that was inside of it is now exposed, if it were attacked then the army would have dissappeared.  And Carnagians wouldn't raze a nice city like that :p)

I'm not really confident that this handful of multis is what kept Legacy from winning all, but I know I'd hate to get stalemated due to multi activities.


05:29:53 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Lenard:

Zeta used to do a multi sweep 5-7 days into every era and it was effective. But he stopped doing that it seems.


06:16:53 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Ridukuluz:

lacewing, i did not asked zeta to be watch the game 24/7.  What im requesting is he does a multi sweep at the start of the era, at the middle of the era and before the era ends.  3 sweeps in an era is not too much to ask.  Fixing crosswalls, fixing riverjumping and river jumping does not require you to be online 24/7. 


06:43:38 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Aloysius:

(I should be speechless)

Im disappointed that my members got deleted AGAIN but for being deleted because of MULTYING, that I cant understand. I can assure to all of us here that these four are my friends irl (4different persons, i mean). I even played DOTA with them during weeknights except Ms.Strawberry. I cant find any reason except that we always went online in VU at the InternetCafe where we used to play LAN games.

And about a complete ban, I cant agree, I have never been deleted in my entire VU life. But Im afraid I will be affected because I also play in the InternetCafe where I expect is the reason why they are deleted.

MAD will always be in VU as long as Im here for I created this kingdom without them (take note of that). Perhaps, its my fault for having members who got deleted almost every era. I'll take the blame for allowing them in my kingdom even though I have personal reasons why.
It is not my complete control if they coordinate each other to produce a masterpiece army that will shock the community.

I want my kingdom to be honorable and fight the best kingdoms who top the charts in this game (win or lose).I failed in your eyes. I guess to save my pride and flag, this will be the last era of the Yellow Banner. Im proud that my kingdom atleast caused the aspiring kingdoms not to be on top anymore.


08:43:27 Nov 23rd 07 - General Ezatious:

Deleted AGAIN? jesus. Just take a hint...


09:30:00 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Titty Titty Bang Bang:

<3 Swifty



09:37:11 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Gothrim:

Moe Lester wrote: "Had the MAD multies not been around this era, we would of stomped the remainder of MAD, and PHI quite easily."

Never have I read such whining, self-justifying bull. You brought all your senile Legacy armies--walking sticks and drool-pans included--to our Phi only blocker, and you fell asleep prepping us, and you were destroyed. Thrown back in defeat. You have not been heard from since. Now you whine to Zeta and beg favors of Carnage and spew propaganda on this forum once again. Pathetic. Really, utterly pathetic.


09:44:35 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Titty Titty Bang Bang:

Think back weeks ago Gothrim. We have fought more against MAD than Phi when it comes down to it. If we hadn't wasted resources on MAD then there the current war could've been quite different. As it stands right now, we still utterly outnumber you in troops numbers despite having a fraction of your members. I wouldn't go around calling one of the best players this game has ever seen 'pathetic'.


09:57:39 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Lenard:

Uh not really...we have half our troops at DB. And if I recall PHI only bothered to step in once MAD collapsed, after that we held the east on our own. If we put all we had into LGC (like LGC is into PHI) we'd have wiped that merger out 100%. I don't think MAD had enough impact to say PHI would be dead otherwise.

Also I still say Binh's catas was a bit suspicious, partly because I doubt that about min cost troops as he always had a MT tower up which is 15k+ land on its own. If he land dropped at some point, maybe...but I didn't see that. And there was Sun and Vlad to compete against who are also very active.

The 550k cata was definately fed though that I will say. And pretty dumb to put only 140k MU into such a big army, lol.


10:39:53 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Cyber Assassin:

i don't know how  Binh  got so many catas but i say tha he never send an army from era starting until now he and strawbery  just trained troops never losing  one  ... they coudled easli get a big army ..like that ..  they never send an army to our merge,  
  they where always online when i was(and i am alwys online:P )  ..:P so they coulded buy stones t binh bought a lot of stone from me... :P  and   im producing  havely stone:P   if i haden't lsot mi troops from era start i woulded have around 1M axes and 500runes im sure of that ... so there is no  reason to blame them for multiing just good  kingdomn colaboration  .... if selling stone to kingdom members is multiing then i can bi deleted to ... (and if i am a  multy then everybody is !!!:P )
(sorry for bad englisch )
its a bad sistem ....


11:00:08 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Gothrim:

TTBB wrote: "We have fought more against MAD than Phi when it comes down to it. If we hadn't wasted resources on MAD then there the current war could've been quite different."

Hmm as I recall it, when MAD first advanced, they turned west and attacked FF. You then wall-jumped and attacked them in the rear of their advance on FF, taking their blocker when it was not well defended and breaking through into their core while most of their forces were busy with FF. Bear in mind also that FF alone is bigger than MAD.

So your alliance is Legacy, Dark Blood and Freedom Fighter against just Phi  Factor and MAD. Yet you want to claim that evul Phi and MAD are ganging up on you? The only people who will believe that also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, lol. ;)


11:18:37 Nov 23rd 07 - Duke Mielo:

I don't really care about all the flaming and so on and this ghey war in the forums that is going on ... but still : Phi and mad (after kicking from multies it was prolly like 48 or something? *smiles*): 41/ lgc+DB: 43 which mainly is caused by some new players we took in to get a grip for the game ...


12:02:33 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Zerocool The Berserker:

alittle correction on Lenard. actually. only 1/3 of PHI is dealing with LGC.
another 3.5/6 is dealing with FF and DB. 0.5/6 is inactive or not playing. just in PHI for reading and talking.

NOTE: never saw binh buy my stone. always been sun most of the time. and to think he provided more armies than me. like i was the 1st STGer,(0.2-0.9)(the reason stone went up that fast) shifted to mining at stone was 0.95. only produced like 3/4 of that 200k Cats,to think berserks are cheaper than cats.

NO IDEA About the MAD cats.. 500k? damn, i wish i know how to do that...

and.. kicking from multis? lol. we kicked inactives.. not multis. or perhaps they were your multi?


12:10:48 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Dragonfly:

500k cats trained
and by a *beep* who doesnt know what magic defence is. impossible.


12:40:49 Nov 23rd 07 - Dreadlord Noiralav:

Some of you may remember the big war fought over the lgc core 2 eras ago. I was tasked with keeping MAD out of our hair while the rest of the KD tried to fight of all the other kingdoms assailing us. During that fight I noticed sevel suspicious things.

If I used to last minute or so of a tick to get close to an army, or to start prep on a town, the reaction was never instantaneous (even if the ruler had been online a short while earlier).

The MAD troops of certain members always moved in the same order and not once did I see all of them move out at the same time (again, even if I had seen activity from all them in the area during the tick).

 

Thus my suspicions where born. I asked around a bit to gauge what other people that had been involved with them over the eras thought about it and not ONE disputed my claims. Now it is of course extremely hard to prove such things, so I didnt speak up (I killed them on my own after all). But Id say their "record" speaks volumes.


12:51:45 Nov 23rd 07 - Dreadlord Noiralav:

On account of the "our blocker pwns y0" discussion going on here it should be said that blockers have been an inbalance for god knows how long as there is no way to counter the 100% wall bonus. Add to that the fact that you cant use bless to pump up your chances while the merger sitting inside can be blessed to kick your ass and you have a situation where the only possible measure would be a CW. Now most kingdoms are aware of that fact and will pump increadible numbers of MUs into a blocker to ensure its safety making it virtually impossible for any single mage to CW.

 

Is Legacy weakening? Who knows, we aint as active as we used to be. After all we have, as a team, won more rounds than any other kingdom and been around the game far longer than most (doubt anybody in for example PHI comes even close). There isnt much left to prove for us. And before you say it, yes Ia m aware of the fact that I have yet to win a round. I would have won "era of sezymon" if not for swampy killing most of my troops with an xp abuse. I had decent chances during the era of Jeker but got assassinated. -.-

Sloth should be able to sympathize with such calamities:P

 


13:32:44 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Lenard:

If blockers are so easy to defend, how did Nem kill LGC :P Just teasing. But I think for less organized KD it can be harder to make a blocker CW-immune


14:25:43 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Sezymon:

yeah true Auspice, that's why Fantasia with the most experienced kd's turns into a stalemate map:P


14:40:43 Nov 23rd 07 - Dreadlord Noiralav:

Some of us need to get killed in order ot wake up for an era or two Lenard:P


15:07:25 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Sun:

I am shocked at the no-flame post from zerocooL! My applaud for him *infiniteHOT claps hand*

 

Mr. Aloysius

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11/23/2007 12:43:38 AM

(I should be speechless)

Im disappointed that my members got deleted AGAIN but for being deleted because of MULTYING, that I cant understand. I can assure to all of us here that these four are my friends irl (4different persons, i mean). I even played DOTA with them during weeknights except Ms.Strawberry.

You guys on different time zone though? Would be nice to have a game or two on the weekend to entertain each other. But I heard that you guys dont have legit keys so no bnet? -_- No hard feelings on win/loss in advance :p


17:28:33 Nov 23rd 07 - Lord Guderian:

Mr. Aloysius: "(I should be speechless)

Im disappointed that my members got deleted AGAIN but for being deleted because of MULTYING, that I cant understand. I can assure to all of us here that these four are my friends irl (4different persons, i mean). I even played DOTA with them during weeknights except Ms.Strawberry. I cant find any reason except that we always went online in VU at the InternetCafe where we used to play LAN games.

And about a complete ban, I cant agree, I have never been deleted in my entire VU life. But Im afraid I will be affected because I also play in the InternetCafe where I expect is the reason why they are deleted.

MAD will always be in VU as long as Im here for I created this kingdom without them (take note of that). Perhaps, its my fault for having members who got deleted almost every era. I'll take the blame for allowing them in my kingdom even though I have personal reasons why.
It is not my complete control if they coordinate each other to produce a masterpiece army that will shock the community.

I want my kingdom to be honorable and fight the best kingdoms who top the charts in this game (win or lose).I failed in your eyes. I guess to save my pride and flag, this will be the last era of the Yellow Banner. Im proud that my kingdom atleast caused the aspiring kingdoms not to be on top anymore."

I have never heard such a weak argument in the entire time I have played VU. Your members have been deleted time and time again and your excuse for that was... Seriously fess up and tell the truth.

If it is the truth, please admit your members to your local asylum, because doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity...


18:08:33 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Might:

Lacewing his citys dissapeared because Zeta wrongly thought he was a multi. Which he isn't because im related to him.


21:23:12 Nov 23rd 07 - Lord Cobraisasuckynick:

Hahaha.

Legacy speaks of honour and fairplay?

Anyway, poor you... MAD stopped you from getting to PHI? Why not even say that MAD almost killed you if you're trying to make such a big deal out of it?

Quit the whining... You're fighting 3v1 and still are making up this crap... Disgusting.


21:26:30 Nov 23rd 07 - Pirate Lewatha:

Weird, when was the last time, PHI actually killed an FF army? I think that's about 1 real life month ago. Since than, FF has done nothing more in the war. So quit saying it's 3 on 1. As for the fact, Aren't you NAPed with BoW? And aren't we fighting BoW too? (even though they're near death) so doesn't that make it 2 VS 2 and a half (count MAD as a half)

 

The point I'm trying to make is, you don't need to complain about sheer numbers. Because they can be twisted and turned in every single way.


21:38:57 Nov 23rd 07 - Lord Cobraisasuckynick:

I haven't been playing this era so I can't really see the map so I might not be up to date with everything.

But I've heard MAD was fighting Carnage. So it's pretty hard to call them "a half".

Secondly, if you put the equal sign between a dying BoW (ravaged by Carnage AFAIK and not by you) and Legacy or DB, it means you're accepting LGC or DB are quite insignifiant Kingdoms (probably less than Predators). I assume that's not the case.

I don't know anything about this fact but isn't it possible that PHI has some protection in case of a FF attack? Or are we NAPed? I'm not quite sure.

Anyway, let's call it a 2.25 or 2 against 1.25 in your favour :)

We're still outnumbered.


21:40:13 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Lenard:

BoW is 5% our power and MAD 20%.


21:41:25 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Might:

Are you calling Predators insignifiant? If you are....


21:43:21 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Zateb Kazim:

i remember mad from last era, they coward,,,and nemisis


21:54:06 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Sun:

Mr. Lenard

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11/23/2007 3:40:13 PM
BoW is 5% our power and MAD 20%.

 

"is" but not "was" - they got pwned! one way or "another"

no idea what bow was up to, it was like they just wanted to ask for its own doom.


21:56:38 Nov 23rd 07 - Mr. Moe Lester:

I don't quite see why PHI are going on about the number game so much. Even if you're to use their "MAD/PHI vs DB/LGC/FF" argument, LGC has often been in those kind of situations throughout our history and never dared call it gangbanging or alliance-worthy. It was standard fighting, you might call it. PHI is just grasping at straws, in the case of their defeat (which they fear), where they can then lay the blame on some deadly "alliance" against them.

The first time LGC started accusing others of alliance-play or gangbanging was 3 rounds ago, when LGC (ranked #1 at the time) fought the #2, #3, #4 and #5 kds simultaneously along a long front on Fantasia, while none of the 4 other kingdoms fought each other and put all their resources into fighting LGC in a 4v1 pitched battle. That could be considered gangbanging, or alliance play.

But PHI call 3v2 a gangbang? My god, you need to get out more, especially when you take into account that DB and LGC only allied FF shortly after MAD/PHI committed themselves to a 2v1 action on FF. BoW were also, before they were roued, fighting DB up in the north. So you could call it 3v3, if you wish. But frankly, I couldn't careless about the numbers game. There isn't any gangbanging going on.


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