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RoC era of Cowards
21:50:09 Apr 1st 10 - Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful:

This kingdom is a mess... except for the handful of roc players that know what a cease fire is and how to talk to another vu player

 

there leadership is a nothing but a joke.... iv known kev for awhile and had my reasons for disliking him, most of this era my kingdom has been at war with roc and it was a hell of a fight on both ends neither of us giving up citys.

Tell me if you think this was a solid agreement:

You (3/21/2010 8:18:19 PM)
Did you instruct me to speak with Jackdaniels as a joke? he is as mature as a 9 yearold

he agrees with the statement your kingdom cannot take our blockers and we cannot take yours but he says he just wants to piss us off.

Duke Kevdwayne (3/21/2010 9:09:12 PM) GOOD BAD
hhmmm..... yeah, he drinks a lot and often says things he doesn't remember.... you would not believe the orders he issues when in that state! It is a miracle we are doing as well as we are. ;)
You (3/21/2010 9:57:54 PM)
why is he a vice in your kingdom?
Duke Kevdwayne (3/24/2010 5:18:11 AM) GOOD BAD

Mr. Pantheon Curse (3/24/2010 4:15:08 AM)
'we want to CF anti-'


You wore them down..... let me know if the offer still stands, thank you.

 

You (3/25/2010 7:35:38 PM)
Kevdwayne i do not know what you are pondering about the agreement. We will accept as is ... no terms

CF with 36 hour break

both are kingdoms are about to start losing cities real soon unless this is finalized now.
Duke Kevdwayne (3/26/2010 5:34:18 AM) GOOD BAD
Done. That was easy. :)
You (3/26/2010 11:34:51 AM)
Good, I will call off all my men and head towards the feds now


Ill keep in touch kev.

 

Now they hav 6 XX or larger armies headed to our core and have taken my blocker. Explain RoC?


21:53:35 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Selos:

yes id like to know as well because up until about 2 ticks ago i thought of you as a somewhat honorable kingdom but now that we have the federation in our borders you see fit to attack us? how it this honorable? i used to have respect for RoC 


22:00:32 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Samual:

Well a Cease fire just means your not at war really, if you wanted to make sure your protected and have an alliance with them you should have upgraded your relations to a NAP really, other wise you just got your self into this mess...


22:02:20 Apr 1st 10 - Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful:

with 4 days left in the era , them asking for a ceasefire pretty much means we will end the era CF'd

 

i cleary said CF with 36 hour break


22:02:59 Apr 1st 10 - Sir Erythnul The Mournful:

cf - means no attacking for set time correct ?

that was set at 36 hrs correct ? its been over 36 hrs and as your post says

No terms - cf with 36 hour break

So if im correct we have kept to what u have posted

Cf is not a Nap/Map so we stuck to what was posted.



22:04:47 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Onslaught:

36 hour advance notice to the break, I'm sure is what he meant. It's all in the wording.


22:05:30 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Jackdaniels The Brewer:

also since we were cf'd what socket in your brain broke to make you think you could pull troops off your blocker when we had a cf that just means were not attacking you for a bit but hey your mistake not ours


22:05:31 Apr 1st 10 - Sir Erythnul The Mournful:

This Cf was agreed to on the 25 march  ... its now April more then 36 hours


22:08:08 Apr 1st 10 - Praetorian Wyzer:

2 things to point out:

1. A CF (Cease Fire) is a "relation" regardless of what you might think, and if agreed upon by both sides, it holds until the determined factor decides otherwise.  Those factors could be XX ticks to cancel, set day, etc.  If it is agreed upon by both sides, then it is an agreement and should be honored.  If it is "broken", then the Kingdom/Player who did it are acting un-honorable and should be scrutinized/kicked for eras to come, or just flat out denied any and all agreements.
2. Correct me if I am wrong, yet isn't this on par for Kevdwayne?  Or is it another "Kev" that constantly breaks/ignores agreements, or agrees to them, yet does not inform his Kingdom about it, just to take advantage.


22:08:13 Apr 1st 10 - Princess Aisha:

When you have a statement "36 hours notification" that means that you're supposed to let the other Kingdom know that in 36 hours you will break the cease fire. Otherwise you dont put any hour notification cause clearly you guys didnt notify them.

But with era so close to end, cease fire is not really a solution, if they didnt want to give you nap you could have guessed they were preparing for war. The only problem here is that the cf notification was not given.


22:09:45 Apr 1st 10 - Sir Erythnul The Mournful:

was this not done ? i mean it says nothing about 'giving 36 hr notification' just 36 hr break ...


22:11:27 Apr 1st 10 - Junior Guildmaster Shmeh:

Okay well here i must say, Burning Legion you should have been more specific about what the 36 hours was referring to.


However I'm disappointed in RoC in this instance as I feel anyone could figure out what he ment by the 36 hours using common sense. So I think this is just an excuse to attack AntiFeds here, not what I expected from RoC.


22:14:00 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Selos:

its the same kev but the member that specifically asked for the cf pantheon curse is the one who now attacks us which is why im so confused as to the ordeal if he wanted to contenue attacking us why would hehave asked for a cf this close to the end of the era


22:14:17 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Onslaught:

>When you have a statement "36 hours notification"

36 hour break != 36 hour notification


BL, word your stuff better next time. You were asking for a cf that lasts 36 hours.


22:17:01 Apr 1st 10 - Lord Wraith Hearts Wwr:

I don't see anything wrong with what happened. BL just didn't make it clear what he wanted so ROC understood it one way while BL took it the other way. They're really not at fault...


22:19:42 Apr 1st 10 - The Architect:

See, there is this thing about respect that you all need to learn.  That is, that it is earned, not given freely.  They've done nothing to earn our respect, so they've got none to loose.  Therefore, this should have been expected.


22:21:13 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Omgcoconuts:

It's obvious what BurningLegion meant, in my opinion the blame is on RoC.

just my two cents.


22:24:29 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Selos:

i think that they knew it was obvious but when they saw us move towards feds they decided to make  play on words to launch a surprise ttack on us while our major forces were away


22:27:14 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Jackdaniels The Brewer:

ok when you find me a rule book to war that has all sorts of nice intricate rules I'll use them but until then I'm simply following the policy of all is fair in love and war and it was a cf you shouldn't have moved your troops in the first place


22:29:49 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Selos:

The Art of War (ChinesepinyinSūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ) is a Chinese military treatise that was written by Sun Tzu in the 6th century BC, during the Spring and Autumn period. Composed of 13 chapters, each of which is devoted to one aspect of warfare, it is said to be the definitive work on military strategies and tactics of its time, and still one of the basic texts


22:30:46 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Jackdaniels The Brewer:

um not a rule book yo just a few friendly suggestions in there


22:31:38 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Selos:

have you ever read it? it has suggestions and the basic rules


22:32:11 Apr 1st 10 - Sir Erythnul The Mournful:

Read the agreement if you can show us where it says - 'we have to give u 36 hrs notice '  ill get our member to return.




22:44:46 Apr 1st 10 - Wolflord Karac:

You (3/25/2010 7:35:38 PM)
Kevdwayne i do not know what you are pondering about the agreement. We will accept as is ... no terms

CF with 36 hour break

both are kingdoms are about to start losing cities real soon unless this is finalized now.
Duke Kevdwayne (3/26/2010 5:34:18 AM) GOOD BAD

Done. That was easy. :)

 

I'm sorry, but it does not say a 36 hour CF. The word 'break' would not come into a normal CF. You wouldn't say the CF for 36 hours would break. Everyone in the game knows that would mean a 36 tick advance notice of a break in CF.

RoC, I am disappointed, you know I love you guys, but this is pathetic. Burninglegion is right, it is obvious, you have no ground to stand upon. And the fact you are fighting it is even worse =(


22:53:16 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Jackdaniels The Brewer:

i'm not you can throw whatever you want at me i'll care less karac i think it's funny that this thread was ever made but hey whatever RoC is done posting here so you guys can flame all you want on us but were not gonna give a crap cause it doesn't matter to us any more we could care less at this point were gonna keep on keeping on even if you think lowly of us we don't care we'll stand up for what we believe is right and wrong and that's all based on opinion so i salute you all and hope to see you on the battle field


22:53:57 Apr 1st 10 - Princess Aisha:

This should be a model for everyone when making agreements to put everything down on paper very clearly, or else people start twisting words to what they like most. Everyone knows that CF with 36 hour break means you need to notify the enemy that you're breaking the CF, and this argument is getting really pathetic.

The current game (era) will last for 0.8 more day(s) (19h). ... With only 19 more ticks in the game, is it really worth breaking a cease fire? Sure, in war everything is fair, you only loose honor.


22:54:19 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Sandoran:

BurningLegion wasn't specific enough, so it's your own fault for assuming RoC would understand what you meant.
Most people are disappointed in RoC, I'm not, I'm disappointed in anti-feds, for blaming RoC for their own mistakes.


23:05:28 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Selos:

its not flaming  your kingdom disgraced itself and it need s to own up to it or it will be scorned, untrustworthy, and disrected for many eras to come


23:08:08 Apr 1st 10 - Wolflord Karac:

Jack calm down, I'm not against you personally. But come on, be reasonable, its ridiculous. If the tables were turned you'd be expecting the same thing.


23:12:50 Apr 1st 10 - Sir Erythnul The Mournful:

Own up to what ? everyone that has agreed with you has said 'well everyone knows it meant 36 hr notification or its general knowledge that is what was meant ' but it doesn't say on the paper we have to.
As for the Cf with break comment i read it as we cf on set day and after a break of 36 hours from that date we can resume attacks if we want .



 


23:33:52 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Orrises:

Burninglegion - i remember way back in era 32 we had a NAP with " The Alliance " and close to the end of the era you attacked us no warning or nothing .. ever since then i set out to kill you and once i have finally came close of attacking you, you seeked a CF ..

next era buddy you grazed a bullet this time..


23:49:22 Apr 1st 10 - Mr. Selos:

you didnt even have an army on our map bro


00:15:28 Apr 2nd 10 - Mr. Teirdel:

BL dont you think Notice would have been a prefered term? I can understand the misunderstanding but as the one making the terms the clarification falls upon you.

After all CF break sounds like a short time to recoop. after all lunch break, spring break. As you can see things continue immediately after :).

So be sure to use notice in the future aight. No hard feelings though.


00:19:17 Apr 2nd 10 - Ice Prince Isis:

As said by the Hema and Fate players '' CF with 36 hours break  ''

 

OBVIOUSLY means that if any of both kingdoms want to end the CF and attack/or not the other kd, the king (leader) of the kingdom who wants to end the cf should message the leader of the other kingdom wich with whom they are ending CFs with telling him/her that you want to end the CF and begins the attacks in/on 36 hours.

Burninglegion has the truth and in fact he has every rite of conplain of the un-honorables of RoC.


00:44:47 Apr 2nd 10 - Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful:

Well im glad im not the only one who clearly understood what it ment in the message. we need a dry erase board to keep track of all the dishonorable things coming RoC

orrises your kingdom asked for the ceasefire and The alliance was so long ago ... i beleive i attacked you while we had no relations and a inactive leader and i tried to lead kingdom as vice then attacked with 4k nazzie army...

as i said our leader was inactive and i bet he never posted in forums the agreement of NAP, that would be the only reason i would have attacked you... anyway wraith ROF'd my 4k nazzies to dirt lol


01:08:08 Apr 2nd 10 - Sir Erythnul The Mournful:

There will always be players who agree or disagree with this situation , and the line '' CF with 36 hours break  '' can be interpreted differently by players.
But fact of the matter is we at Roc have done all what is in our agreement , whether you or everyone else interpret differently is something that cant be helped or changed.
I have seen this happen every era in some way and im sure it will happen in the future.


01:12:08 Apr 2nd 10 - Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful:

All that truly mattered was that Kev knew what i ment, and your kingdom knowingly invaded with a CF agreement. RoC i promise it will not go without vengence.


01:14:35 Apr 2nd 10 - Ice Prince Isis:

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful



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19:12:08 Apr 1st 10
All that truly mattered was that Kev knew what i ment, and your kingdom knowingly invaded with a CF agreement. RoC i promise it will not go without vengence.

 

 

Sir Burninglegion The 'Vengeful'  what an odd coincidence


01:21:36 Apr 2nd 10 - Mr. Selos:

it was directed at the federation as they betrayed him a few eras back


01:26:49 Apr 2nd 10 - Duke Kevdwayne:

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 3:30:02 PM) GOOD BAD
You have received a bonus turn!
16:18:14 Sorceror V lead by Mr. Pantheon Curse attacked and took over Northern Waterw. Due to their overwhelming power our army retreated to Big Cottage. We lost 51881 Swordsmen, 4780 Hammerthrowers, 0 Axemen, 0 Runemasters and 0 Cavemasters and 138 peasants in the battle.


Your broke a 36 hour Cease fire with no Notice...... be sure i will post your kingdoms deceit

So one guy attacks you and that warrants a main topic post?

 

This kingdom is a mess... except for the handful of roc players that know what a cease fire is and how to talk to another vu player

there leadership is a nothing but a joke.... iv known kev for awhile and had my reasons for disliking him, most of this era my kingdom has been at war with roc and it was a hell of a fight on both ends neither of us giving up citys.

Yes, we have known each other for a while and I have to agree that there are several reasons for disliking you but, I cannot think of a single one to like you.

As for the rest of that correspondence those of you that know me already realize it was a joke, the rest of you need to lighten up a bit.  I cannot say with total accuracy as to what transpired, don't even have los on that world.  There was prepping and counter prepping on both sides and it involved a small number of cities.  So judge as you will, I have seen much worse, been a party to much worse and a victim.... did not bitch then and not bitching now.  And for the comment from the 'era 24 or 25' Fant vet I do not believe you and I have ever had any dealings, maybe we can rectify that in the future Wyzer  :)  Peace, Love and kissmyazziness.


01:42:11 Apr 2nd 10 - Mr. Teirdel:

Break= to interrupt one's activity or occupation for a brief period <break for lunch>

There we go. Web dic. that currently fits the current situation. :)

 


02:20:59 Apr 2nd 10 - Mr. Path:

First of all...full disclosure:
1) I think Burninglegion is scum of the earth and I would expect HIM to be the one breaking the CF.

2) I never have even seen RoC on the field of battle.  In the distant past, they were always on a different map than me.  I've nothing against them.

Now...I think this is a pretty clear instance of RoC breaking their agreement.  Sure, burninglegion is a child and cannot communicate in an adequate manner, but everyone knows what he means here. That is, a ceasefire with a 36 hour warning before you break it.  That is how these agreements are always made in VU.  For you to pretend that you didn't know this is insulting.

RoC apparently recognized that burninglegions kd let their guard down, and they figured screwing over a kingdom like anti-feds is no big deal because they are not of much importance in the grand scheme of things.  People will certainly remember the actions of RoC in future endeavors.

That said, I must say I am quite pleased at this turn of events.  Just last round burninglegion was the one violating NAP agreements, disobeying his kingdom leader, and had to be put down.  Now this round, he gets a taste of his own kind of dishonorable play.


02:28:57 Apr 2nd 10 - Mr. Hartonius:

Kev i said in the start , 6 XX armies or larger... not all belong to pantheon, jackdaniels your vice has accompanied him

 

This is the SECOND time you bum rush us this era, first time i asked for relation ... no response your player pantheon contacts me and gives me his word he will not attack us and i say we will not attack either. A couple days later pantheon takes our blocker and is accompanied by many RoC armies.. we go to war.... neither of us budge ( although we killed lots of RoC scum )

we agree upon a clear cease fire and pantheon apologizes and we make up everyone is happy again ... a few days later after its was obvious we moved 4 500k armies from our core and station a mere 54k troops in our blockers

Guess who comes knocking on our door with a large sum of forces... your vice and pantheon leading. We had not once prep'd on you since CF... just say it mate "im a snake" and be done with this forum

 


02:31:01 Apr 2nd 10 - Praetorian Wyzer:

First off Kevdwayne, I asked a question, it was not a statement.  I read so many threads over the last few eras either about Kath/Kev that I was not sure if you were that person or not.  I could see how you could construe this as a statement, as this is not the first time you have "danced" on this floor.  So be it.

Second I don't consider myself a vet at all.  I have been blessed to play along side, and learn from many outstanding players in this game.  Also as an FYI, Wyzer is the name I decided to constantly use once I was a more established player, with the exception of an era as "Osmosis" and that was a inside joke for someone who I played against.

Laterz.


02:33:37 Apr 2nd 10 - Mr. Hartonius:

Roc broke the Cf unhonorably ...that is that


02:41:10 Apr 2nd 10 - Mr. Path:

lol, here is burninglegions well thought out reply

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 8:36:11 PM) GOOD BAD
jew


02:42:51 Apr 2nd 10 - Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful:

Path who are you i useally dont mind someone flaming me over bogus reasons but i dont recongize your name?


02:45:59 Apr 2nd 10 - Duke Kevdwayne:

Mr. Path



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20:41:10 Apr 1st 10
lol, here is burninglegions well thought out reply

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 8:36:11 PM) GOOD BAD
jew

and that about says that huh?

 

and Wyzer, my apologies.... we usually aren't on the 'traitor' side of the fence and take pride in that so I got defensive... maybe we did break a CF and maybe not (I am still not sure due to the prepping, counter prepping) and it is ONE friggin' city...


02:48:05 Apr 2nd 10 - Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful:

Kev no its not one city, it is 5 citys so far, and we had not once prep'd once the deal was finalized


02:53:32 Apr 2nd 10 - Duke Kevdwayne:

Mr. Path



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20:41:10 Apr 1st 10
lol, here is burninglegions well thought out reply

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 8:36:11 PM) GOOD BAD
jew
we really are A-holes aren't we?   :p


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