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am wondering
19:25:37 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

please ignore the fact that i came back...i had to ask this question and sadly there is no place but the forums to ask it...

 

what would it be like for every player to play the entire era as individuals...in other words...no kingdoms...no alliances...each player for themselves. since most players play this way anyway...it might be fun.


19:34:19 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Bobzon:

I agree. Could be fun. Zeta could make a map for Solo players;)


19:36:04 Jan 23rd 08 - Sir Revenge:

I dont like it, people would just group up and help each other out
Plus taking the major factor of playing with people, friends , allys
And beating the feeling of when akingdom 480% of your power that is having trouble breaking your little kingdom down, the fun is amazing, its quite a sight too be held and someone should try It sometime
My era was boring as hell until I left Trio and went too Eternity { No offence too Trio  ^^} Its such good fun fighting them off, they said we would be dead before christmas, look at us now we are 4% behind 4th place { Agents in 4th } when at one point we were bottom of the table on the verge of getting knocked out of Mantrax
I love this new opportunity, and I am glad Ive met some really great people who I think I can call Friends

In all : No

 


19:40:58 Jan 23rd 08 - Sir Soc:

i've always been for it. sadly, most people aren't :(

 

revenge, glad u enjoyed playing with dak and company!


19:41:11 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

like bobzon said...if there were a seperate world for those players who prefer to play outside of a kingdom...this would solve a lot of problems actually....those solo players would have more freedom to be as fierce and wild (no authority over them) as they please...while those who prefer working as a team and who prefer working with friends can play in the kingdom worlds.


19:47:33 Jan 23rd 08 - Ms. Minge:

I love this idea.

While you guys run around playing alone, I'll still continue chatting with my ex-kingdom mates and organise a pseudo-kingdom where we will work together! :)

Rhiannia, we essentially had this a long time ago with 3-man kingdoms. All that happened was the 20-man kingdoms divided into groups of 3 and worked together as usual. In this case, everybody would be divided into groups of 1 and will still work together, as per usual.


19:50:58 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Crissxcross:

fierce and wild ?

sounds like disobeying orders, beeing selfish and unable to kooperate.

Recently I met such person and that's why I agree with you to sent all the ***** to a sepperate world that none of them will ruin or betray a kingdom again....


19:52:03 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

personally i dont plan on playing solo...i was thinking of the idea for those players who dont do well in a teamwork setting. if they had an alternate world where they could play solo...pvp...then the worlds that played in kingdoms...the kingdoms would run smoother as the members would be more organized with each member working together...as it is now half the members of each kingdom are off working their own agendas while trying to fill their dues as kingdom member and this doesnt get it.


19:54:25 Jan 23rd 08 - Ms. Minge:

I think you're oversimplifying the matter. Maybe on the lower worlds you have "50% of the members off working their own agendas", but come to Fant, or at least, any of the top kingdoms, and you'll be sure to find by no stretch of the imagination 100% of the players working to a common goal.

What you're explaining there isn't a problem with kingdoms in general, but with kingdoms who A) recruit poorly and B) have poor, uninspiring leadership. Most kingdoms don't have the players you describe, and there isn't a need for a world of "1v1's", especially when it'll be dominated by individuals working together with KD mates, albeit without a banner to show their true allegiance.


19:54:57 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

hmmmperhaps then on that solo world there should be a way to prevent that...like no ingame chat for that world. only these public forums...this way there could be no private communications to organize groups.


19:57:55 Jan 23rd 08 - Ms. Minge:

Again Rhiannia, I don't think you understand.

Take a KD like LGC for example. LGC doesn't use the ingame chat to chat between members. It has its own seperate chat, off site, that the VU Admins can't control or stop. So a ban of the ingame chat would be inneffective. Other top kingdoms use instant messengers like MSN.

The point is, we've had a similiar situation before to the one you're describing with 3-man kingdoms. Essentially, what happened was an ordinary kingdom was split up into 5-6 smaller kingdoms to fit the quota, and they all played together and won. This will be no different.


19:58:04 Jan 23rd 08 - Duke Arzun:

IRC


19:58:05 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

the point is...a solo world is for ppl who WANT to play solo...so why would they make groups? if they want to play in groups then they can play in the kingdom worlds...there are many types of pvp games that ppl play...they work well. this is just an option not a forcing.


19:59:34 Jan 23rd 08 - Ms. Minge:

Because people want to, and they also like to be asses.


At the moment, you've got top-class Fantasia players going onto the lower rounds each round to kill new guys. Those type of people are the guys who would also go to a 1v1 world and work together. I can't explain why they would do it, but they would, and all that would happen is the 1v1 world would quickly be turned into an ordinary world: a world fought between kingdoms, except they don't have banners to show their true colours.


20:02:27 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

well...we cant stop the world for the asses, now can we?

i still think having a seperate world for pvp plang is a good idea.

 

then the solo players

c

an ha

ve more fun and we teamwork players can also enjoy the game more.


20:03:40 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

stupid script writer "grumbles to self"


20:14:30 Jan 23rd 08 - Lord Argyle:

Great idea of having this on a separate world, wouldn't bother me at all.


20:14:55 Jan 23rd 08 - Lord Protector Nimic:

It's very naive to think that any free for all server would stay alliance-free. If not their normal kingdoms, people would certainly work together with friends.


20:24:48 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

nimic...there are many players who actually like to fight their friends...and as i said before...no one will be forced to stay on this world or that one. if a player decides to play alone against other single players they will have the option of the solo world...if they die there and decide it is safer in a kindom world they can restart mid era one wone of those. but a player chooses to go to the solo world TO PLAY ALONE WITHOUT HELP...just for the fun and challenge of it. if they want alliances they can play on the kingdom worlds.


20:27:44 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Neo Destroyer of Agent Smith:

Rhianna, you dont seem to see what they are saying. Sure you *Rhianna* would goto this world with the intention of playing solo to compete against others 1 vs 1. BUT there will be people who will goto those worlds and work with their friends to dominate it.

Yes people like to fight friends, but there are some who like to fight with friends too.


20:32:48 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

i agree with neo.  Technically, it will be 1 vs 1.  But it will just be a NAP fest.


20:42:11 Jan 23rd 08 - Sir Dead Oralive:

yea but the ones that are bold will become legends!


20:42:38 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

and get ganged up on.


20:43:52 Jan 23rd 08 - Sir Revenge:

I agree


20:48:19 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

i suppose there is alwys someone that just has to ruin a good thing...they have their own world but just have to go destroy someone elses world and chance at having fun...personally i think players like that should be banned.


20:48:54 Jan 23rd 08 - Sir Revenge:

I agree 


21:02:11 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Crissxcross:

well, if you are on such  worl and would have to fight a player who can play 24/7 several weeks in a row you are forced to work with others together to even have a chance to survive...

SO saying ban them, is not a solution for this problem...

It is a common problem existing in many online games and till yet there was no game rule invented to prevent this (unballanced power) properly.

The only thing what helps is, when the playing community has enough sports spirits to seek an interesting and ballanced game, even when it means losing.....that's the only thing that helps.

Or you stop fighting humans and start to kill AI pics again.....


21:07:13 Jan 23rd 08 - Lord Weirdgrivi The Epyon:

I agree


21:29:38 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Dolfyn:

I say NO. if anyone wants a PvP, talk to the kd around and smash your armies in the middle of the map, a big clash, every two three days. Don`t see the reason. The one with the bigger army wins. In that kind of play the strategy is pointless, train a lot, high income and smash those armies. Well, kinda like now .. but more booooooooooooring!
How could you use the strong points of your race? this ain`t L2 or WoW. No Drakonic Bow, Majestic set, and no buffs.

My brother teases me about VU. he sais that I`m playng Mario Brother on-line. Mario Brothers or not ... I like it. And Rhiania .. if u don`t like it don`t play it. We are not worthy of your presence here.

And especially for Rhiania (a thread with no sexual healing!? no way!!!):
 I`m too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for this thread, I`m too sexy (cover from Right Said Fred, for those who didn`t recognized the lyrics)


Sorry Rhiania ..  nothing personal! :D just having fun! so should you into this game! isn`t this all the reason for playing?


21:55:19 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Justainius Fontainius XI:

i lik this idea but u can easily abuse it


21:57:13 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

abuse me!


22:00:30 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Starks:

Why not ? Agreed with Ms. Rhiania.

A separate world for solo players. I think there might be a lot of players want to go solo. Sure there will be friends, alliances and etc. Well atleast they can't merge their armies and bashed up other players.

Of course the set back will be most of the players will probably farming till the end but if they likes it, so be it.

 


22:03:52 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Justainius Fontainius XI:

ye i like it but i dont trust u lgc ppl hu settle near eachother :@


22:10:58 Jan 23rd 08 - Sir Soc:

i would certainly join this world, and not make any peace. it would be a great time!


22:11:25 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Sloth:

chess is a 1v1 game. an online game with hundreds of players is not. thanks for trying though.


22:26:43 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

@ dolfyn...i never said i didnt like the game...i merely stated that players who have a hard time with the concept of teamwork may have more fun on a solo world. or to put it nicer...those who get bored with mega alliances and like the challenge of seeing if the could not only survive but comeout number one against the field of hundreds of other combatants at the end of era. i think it would be a fun challenge actually and might be tempted to play solo myself on occasion to break the regularness of each era being similar.


22:27:33 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

I agree with Argyle. If it's on just one of the servers then I'm all for it. Since I won't be there I don't care if it's exploited or about any of the other problems with it because they won't hurt me. I say go for it.


22:42:28 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Blah Blah The Brutal:

If you remove PM's, lock all forums for an era, remove in game chat for an era, remove all titles, remove the ability to name cities/armies, find a way to prevent players using IM programs/email/telephone for the era, prevent scouts from moving within a certain distance of each other and there's a chance that you may get to play a 1 vs 1 era without alliances.


22:49:05 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Blah Blah The Brutal:

And anything else to do with the internet really


22:53:38 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Arch Shade The Dark:

I would rather see different worlds containing different styles rather than 7-8 worlds being generally the exact same aside from size and starting time.

A non-kingdom map would work completely fine.  You might not get complete solo action.  But it would get rid of merge, spawning together, and easy communication.

You could ally with friends, but if it was a large map...chances are they would be far away.  Also it would be harder to trust people.  So yes you would get lots of nap, but also lots of nap breakers.  Having to open gates constantly would be a pain too. 

I am 100% up for a world like this.  I think players should be slightly more open minded.  Making a change like this wouldn't ruin anything only add for more variations for other players.


22:56:41 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Blah Blah The Brutal:

spose you could use snail mail too


23:26:15 Jan 23rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

So yes you would get lots of nap, but also lots of nap breakers

 

lol...i can just see the threads now ...instead of "-------kd name here--------" is a nap breaker"" threads...we will gets ""---------player name here----- is a nap breaker"" threads by the tons...will have to have a nap breaker forum just for them...lol


23:46:06 Jan 23rd 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

IMHO, teamwork is one of the things that makes this game stand out. I must confess I'm not the world's greatest teamplayer irl myself. Perhaps a lot of us aren't. So it's good to see how well the kd system works here. Why trash kd's when the whole game and all the fine-tuning is built around them?


06:42:19 Jan 24th 08 - Mr. Arch Shade The Dark:

Yeah I can understand that Gothrim.  This is one of my favorite games that I have ever played in my entire life.  I've played everything from first person shooters to mmorpg.  It fits my life style and the way I like to play games.  Watching the way kingdoms work together here is unique in the world of online games for sure.


07:12:13 Jan 24th 08 - Ms. Erica Incarnate:

I think a world with no kingdoms is a good idea. It should be fun. Sure they will all team up. What's else is new? What im saying is, no merges, no free upkeep, The blockers will be defended by oneself etc. etc.. This should be fun. It make  use of  other races in a dwarf dominated rules.

This should be in the suggestions thread BTW... :P


08:34:25 Jan 24th 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

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1/23/2008 3:46:06 PM
IMHO, teamwork is one of the things that makes this game stand out. I must confess I'm not the world's greatest teamplayer irl myself. Perhaps a lot of us aren't. So it's good to see how well the kd system works here. Why trash kd's when the whole game and all the fine-tuning is built around them?

i couldnt agree more and i certainly wasnt trashing it...thats why i suggest a solo world...because their are players who dont work well in a team setting and it ruins the whole team set up and no body has fun that way...they want to have fun fighting and playing this game same as we do...but not everyone is cut out for or has learned how to work with a group...maybe they can learn how to through this game...but why force them to and ruin everyones fun...let them choose to or not.


11:13:09 Jan 24th 08 - Mr. Dolfyn:

but .. in the world of testa, or any other .. if u or anyone else don`t join any kd is that world u are asking for ... am I right?


12:27:49 Jan 24th 08 - Mr. Iciruam:

Agreed with Ms. Rhiania. Ok, we can say that it won't be a 1vs1 world, that they wil play together using IRC or MSN or whatever... but maybe not, so can't truly say what'll happen in that "KD free" world, let's try it and see what happens ^^ this is my opinion, don't try to judge what'll happen because we never know :P

I think it's a great idea, to be free to choose where to play, and we should not supose that there will be a lot of NAP and so on in those "KD free" worlds, I would not play there for the moment but I think that somebody who have played in a KD and followed the rules and NAPs and strategies for long time, he may like to have some breath and play alone for some era, deciding himself and depending only by himself). And that doesn't make him "autist" nor "selfish" nor any bad adjective, it's just another way to play.

I encourage Zeta to take this idea in consideration ^^ and I'll perfectly understand if ADMINS decides not to do this, there's a lot of work for an admin and I know that not all of the implementations can be done easily.

PS: sorry for my poor english lvl :-) I tried to make it understandable :'(


14:24:28 Jan 24th 08 - Ms. Minge:

Iciruam, it isn't "maybe they'll use IRC or MSN", they will.

We already use IRC and MSN over the ingame forums. We've already had a similiar instance of small-parties before (3-man kingdoms). All that happened was kingdoms split up into small groups and worked together.

So please, stop regurgitating the same things and realise it's happened before, it failed, and with the way VU is built, it could never succeed on a multiplayer backdrop. As Sloth said, chess is 1v1 and can be maintained 1v1. VU can't.


15:20:06 Jan 24th 08 - Mr. Bobzon:

Oh, come on people. Get over it. What Lady Rhiannia said and I fully agree is that there should be a world for Lonely players. NO AI, no Kingdoms.
Let's take this script for example:
Your name is Boo (hope i won't offend anyone). And you are a Solo player. You will go there. No kingdoms. Just you and other lonely minds plotting to get rid of eachoter. There are two possibilities:
1. You stand alone and fight every living creature next to your cities (that would be what you wished for)
2. You make friends and Ally even if not in a form of a Kingdom. But then you would realise that the game is more pleasant as a team. Thing that would FINNALY educate the solo players inside Kingdoms right now, solo players that we all hate so much when they are kingdom mates.
So, no matter what Boo wishes for, Boo gets. If he further decides he want to rule a lonely players world he will remain on that map. If he decides he liked the way a team work then he would fit to join a kingdom in a Kingdom World and everybody will appreciate his skills of teamplay.

Even more. If Zeta could, Zeta should allow playing as multi. I mean one account on Kingdom World and one account on Solo world. That would be twice the fun for some. (for such an example see classical Utopia which has 3 worlds with different rules).

P.S. All hail Dolfyn the flaming farmer


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