|fordius is dog poo|
|22:51:41 Jul 10th 09 - Duke Insane VIII:|
just another kingdom with no self respect or respect in the game, just to many of those now, but any kd with fordius cannot be trusted anyway and everyone already knows that!!!
|22:53:34 Jul 10th 09 - Mr. Camel Rider:|
yeah they never had respect, always think they are above everyone. from before they were like bitchs and wouldnt even attack us because they knew we would own them, but after we get gang banged they decide to join. like i said a bunch of ho's is all they are
HO HO HO
should be ur slogan
|23:01:46 Jul 10th 09 - Mr. Barny:|
So, you guys basically just got wrecked by RVL and took it upon yourselves to try to... hurt their feelings... because as players you are far to inferior to hurt their armies?
|23:18:16 Jul 10th 09 - Mr. Sunsual Seductionator:|
"from before they were like bitchs and wouldnt even attack us because they knew we would own them,"
|23:46:35 Jul 10th 09 - Mr. Fordius:|
|23:51:41 Jul 10th 09 - Duke Insane VIII:|
just pawning vunerable cities at the end to boost your score, very honorable.....you both suck and Sunsual- bring it biatch anytime....!
|23:57:12 Jul 10th 09 - Mr. Fordius:|
Lol if you would see my stuff you would know
|00:00:04 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Ignis:|
Yes, we're warring them now. I'm not sure if it's considered a gangbang though, because we're also warring LD, crazy, and Godlike (although we're done with Godlike...). We're just here to take back our old core and maybe some more.
|01:18:00 Jul 11th 09 - Demonslayer The Confused Demon Farmer:|
|01:21:51 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Camel Rider:|
so MAD, DE, CHOCO, PHI and REV is not a gang bang? we finished with de and choco and few days ago but still i consider that a gangbang on an 11 member kd.... and not only that 3 of our members landed on other worlds so its really all aginst 8 members... SAD SAD SAD
and barny HO HO HO ;)
|01:32:50 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Crazycrissxcross:|
|01:40:23 Jul 11th 09 - Duke Insane VIII:|
we fought phi all era cause map with boom and the fact we have 5 people who log in. lol. we fought juicy cause they attacked us several times. we fought Bran cause he sent this message...
and it was fun killing his 200k ogres. At the same time De sent this message.
after three of us two attackers and one mage, killed brans armies, killed santas armies and some other members of DE that i cannot recall mad decided to take our cities in greed to win the era, and now fighting phi again cause our allies decided to team up with the kingdom we helped them defeat earlier and screw us over. so thats the wars for Dendarii Crisscross. say what you want.
|01:51:00 Jul 11th 09 - Duke Pikachu:|
lol you could hardly call choc a war on your part, it was only bran who managed to get as far as you... the rest of em got their asses kicked by fate/mad....
|01:57:26 Jul 11th 09 - Duke Insane VIII:|
i didnt say i killed choco or de, they tried to tag team us, three of us killed there armies and they few survived ran home i suspect they had other problems. bran was the choco member i mentioned cause he was the only one with any real armies. but it was only three or four member from each of the kingdoms max, and i dont think i implied otherwise. but now mad is attacking with many armies, phi is attacking and rvl is attacking. which makes sense cause it usually take at least three kingdoms to beat dendarii. and i dont consider choco a war you guys fought very poorly.
|02:17:48 Jul 11th 09 - Lord Bishop:|
so MAD, DE, CHOCO, PHI and REV is not a gang bang?
No i consider that bad luck, a gang bang is what happen to Juicy, So stop b!tching and take it like a man/women/things what ever you people are. But i must say the funniest think about this is that Insane is saying RVL is dishonourable for attacking you and helping the "Gang bang" crush you. How is that Dishonourable? We had no relations as ford said and i thought that you were only fighting Phi so not our fault people dont like you and wanna gang up on you, you were in the way so RVl went thought you :). So get over it
*I wrote this before alot of those other post, so if it out of place i am sorry, i forgot to hit the post button before going to the toilet :/*
|02:23:51 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Ignis:|
Yah, we didn't know you were fighting any of those kingdoms either, and warring multiple kingdoms at the same time is part of the game, as long as all those kingdoms aren't all focusing on you...
|02:23:56 Jul 11th 09 - Dark Prince Stirlin:|
note* when people say rvl it really means ford, hes the only one attacking them
|03:33:00 Jul 11th 09 - The Architect:|
I've personally always had the utmost respect for Fordius. He's an awesome guy, even though I don't really know him that well. He plays the game like none other, and from what I can see is an awesome leader. Can you give any evidence to the latter? Until you can, get over it and fight back. Stop complaining about loosing armies...
|09:00:21 Jul 11th 09 - Duke Death Proof:|
"after three of us two attackers and one mage, killed brans armies, killed santas armies and some other members of DE that i cannot recall mad decided to take our cities in greed to win the era, and now fighting phi again cause our allies decided to team up with the kingdom we helped them defeat earlier and screw us over. so thats the wars for Dendarii Crisscross. say what you want."
I like you Insane, I do..and I like most in your KD (slowly starting to slip on Camel Toe though) But you ARE our allies too..and where were you guys when we could have used some assistance? You were off fighting somewhere else. You know very well that your NAP with Crazy had a clause that said MAPs override NAPs so you had every right to break it and attack with us as ALLIES. You didn't you wanted to go out and show your stuff on Fantasia. I will give credit where credit is do..you guys fared pretty well over there. We were fighting Phi, but both KD realized that we could be in a position to help each other out. So, thats what happened. We helped them gain access to Godlike and Crazies..and the rest they did on their own. We needed a mage and our allies weren't around...Phi offered to help and we took it...As for screwing you over..the whole issue with the blocker was sqashed right away.
|09:26:22 Jul 11th 09 - Dr. Raving Lunatic:|
|09:58:03 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Zerocool:|
@lunatic : now look whos talking..you guys also attacked us and broke our nap....
|10:04:09 Jul 11th 09 - Dr. Raving Lunatic:|
|11:13:53 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Explorer:|
Oh my God, one of Juicy's enemies is complaining about a gang-bang?
|12:12:01 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:|
I have seen a few times now, KDs breaking NAPs because of MAPs; sometimes with the intention - sometimes without; I guess VU admin can solve this issue very simply. If the game doesn't allow us attack an era long NAP partner, even if we want to, we won't (the same way we cannot attack a KD mate); by the same logic - we shall not be able to attack a MAP partner of our NAP partner, assuming the MAP deal was done before our NAP deal; and again, the system shall not allow KD - 1- signing on a MAP deal with KD -2 - , when KD -2- is warring KD - 3 -, and KD -3- has already a NAP with KD -1- in place.
|12:25:32 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Fordius:|
Again there is no nap break here.
|12:25:49 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Crazycrissxcross:|
too complicated Gladi :)
|12:42:26 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Barny:|
I like how NAP's can be broken, it's a part of the game.
|13:30:22 Jul 11th 09 - Duke Pikachu:|
lol you really can't call fighting us a part of the gangbang at all.... because we haven't had a single battle, a single army within your reach for atleast a week.
|14:25:27 Jul 11th 09 - Mr. Brannigans Law:|
random that wasnt a gangbang i took that challenge, i think they all asked for a nap nearly
|14:35:52 Jul 11th 09 - Duke Pikachu:|
oh i know, but im just saying..... he can't call our participation a gangbang, its like calling previous wars into your waaa.
|00:27:47 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Alfred Nobel:|
for the record we didnt break any nap with crazy.
|01:43:12 Jul 12th 09 - Sir Struddle:|
not really sure why people are complaining.... considering that fact that a MAP meaning Mutual Assistance Pact and a NAP Non Aggression Pact are two totally different things.........
|02:10:31 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Ignis:|
Struddle, many of us also do NAPs with a "MAP does not override NAP" clause. It goes both ways.
Edit: And since it's a war game, many of us hate it when we NAP someone without them telling us while we NAP that they have multiple MAPs with other kingdoms...
Just showing the other point of view.
|02:12:02 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Camel Rider:|
it should be made clear that a map is the reason for the attack, because noone knows who has relations with who. there should be a message sent saying that our nap is broken due to our map obligations with kd X
|03:01:51 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Gladiatorul:|
signing a NAP without mentioning (agreeing) about MAPs in place is a weekness of the MAPed KD's leader - I'd say, Struddle
|03:20:21 Jul 12th 09 - Sir Grim Darkhammer:|
It is all in the wording of the agreement between the kingdoms. This is the NAP agreement PKS developed over many era and it always worked well for all involved.
|05:59:27 Jul 12th 09 - Sir Struddle:|
Unless defined in the terms of the NAP that you must be informed of all other relations why should i bother telling you what I'm up too? NAP just basically means you leave me alone i'll leave you alone nothing more and should not be taken as anything more. This is where people tend to screw up considering the fact that NAP's in the basic terms of the words they signify dont actually mean you have to remain allied to them at all. A NAP is a simple agreement saying you leave me alone and I'll do the same until the time comes that our paths' part and then who knows what will happen. All era NAP's are crap if you want an all era NAP just get a MAP/Alliance which if then broken would be considered dishonorable.
|06:32:23 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Duran Dark Elf:|
struddle you are mostly correct
essentially a NAP in ANY game as defined as Non Agression Pact is really a courteous gesture between two alliances. this could be two alliances in a similar area without the desire to war, or even to make sure members of such alliances behave and dont just go killing everything in sight randomly. they also allow ceasefire and in the strength of this may lead to MAP later on or in following eras.
era long Naps i think are ok, but you are not allies and MAP overides everything. if a MAP can be overidden for the sake of NAP then it aint a MAP. MAP is precious, this is your ally, this is the person you trust and a true friend. they have your back.
the NAP doesnt have this relationship and thus of course the MAP overides it. i see both sides of the argument on keeping MAPs secret or not but i would suggest that if you had a NAP with a kingdom that attacked your MAP and they didnt know it(ie you didn tell them) then you should give them notice and time to withdraw and the NAP be upheld. If they attacked your MAP , knowing they are MAP with you, then really this is bad faith conduct by putting you in such position and you would war them instantly in defence of your friends.
|06:52:12 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Ignis:|
Who says you're correct? It's all a matter of opinion, and in VU many people believe that when you NAP someone they should be informed of your MAPs, etc. In my opinion, the easiest way to solve MAP/NAP agreements is by stating specifically in the terms how it'll be handled. Otherwise, you have kingdoms MAPing their NAP partners enemies, which is a real headache.
Anyway, whatever works for you.
|08:10:43 Jul 12th 09 - Dr. Raving Lunatic:|
Mr. Alfred Nobel
|08:19:11 Jul 12th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:|
Struddle, I don't agree.
|09:22:23 Jul 12th 09 - Sir Belmont The Avenger:|
lol lew wtf?
this is the 2nd time this happens this happened already with Pred,Ret,BoW do u remind lew?
|10:11:21 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Crazycrissxcross:|
come on guys stay on topic the last 15 posts do not concern Fordius nor any dog poo inside, so pls stop arguing and continue to flame =D
|10:22:05 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Fordius:|
The poor attempt on flame :)
|10:50:08 Jul 12th 09 - Sir Water:|
Dr. Raving Lunatic
ROFL look at this newbs .. for your information i was near the sea (vacation) for 8 days, logging in sometimes through phone :) im lith, liths dont have money to spend on games, we are poor ;)
|11:11:40 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Explorer:|
Struddles, your wrong. Your talking about a Cease Fire buddy.
|11:28:54 Jul 12th 09 - Dr. Raving Lunatic:|
|16:13:55 Jul 12th 09 - Sir Struddle:|
|17:32:27 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Explorer:|
I'm not arguing about the fact a NAP should state that if they should attack your MAP, the NAP will be void...
|18:58:58 Jul 12th 09 - Mr. Duran Dark Elf:|
NAP=Non Aggression PACT
Purely means what it says. Anything else is outside the general consensus of the majority of online games.
It just means you agree to not act AGGRESSIVELY, or hostile or provacatively towards each other....the most obvious of this is no attacking.
others about not marching in cores, prepping on cities and such like are convenient additions people include so everything is in spirit with the aim.
a NAP is not Allied to you in anyway...you may even dislike them immensely but do a NAP for mutual benefit of both kingdoms.
a MAP/MPP is your dearest friend who you will fight alongside even against the odds.
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