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kingdom swtiching
05:18:50 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Panic II:

There is something I need to get off my chest. I am sick and tired of people switching KDs when they fall on the smallest bit of bad times. Have some self-respect people. I've seen it on Zeta far too many times to sit quietly any more. I wont name people individually, but you know who you are.

Has noone any honor? Both the individual and the KD's that acecpt them are responsible. I believe you should join a KD for the goal of propelling them to becoming the best they can be. You stick to it until they are completely eliminated or the era ends. Some kd switching early on is acceptable (barely), but at this point in time it should not be aloud.

Since Im ranting, let me add this: it pisses me off when people leave kd's becuase the are losing and go on independent killing sprees against people they were formerly allied with. I mean, WTF. Its coming close to ruining the game.

One more thing, perhaps the wrong forum, but whatever. There should be a point system for KD similar to the system that gives out titles to players. KD that exist for long periods of time, or that are recognized by other kd's as being honest and fair should be praised for their effort. It could even add a good/evil dynamic to the game.


07:03:27 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Periannath:

that only happens on the lower maps, people who have been playing a little while realise kd hopping will never get you into a good kd


07:38:14 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Diomedes:

I agree it happens mainly on lower worlds a few do it on Fantasia but they usually creat new accounts so no one realizes who they are when they are accepted but for the most pasrt the Fantasia kingdoms are players who know each other and have been playing for a while.  It all comes down to the vices and leaders in who they accept.  When starting a kingdom you have to get a good number to be competitive sometimes so you accept ones you don't know.  But for most part when kingdoms are created it is with a core of players already determined.


11:52:34 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Bruiant:

Panic, i think you are refering mainly to PHX and POFF? :D
somebody in poff kicked all the members, si they joined PHX as they were all kingdomless, and were being eaten by us. but however, now that PHI, THC, ROC, DF and RS are all overpowering us (slowly) some of our members are abandoning us. i will name one member, who shall be shamed.
Girlish. she left us to join Cannabis.
and in ambrose's defence, the leader of liberation alliance, he didnt leave, i kicked him. it annoys me too.


16:38:26 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Panic II:

bruiant, i have no complaints about you. you may be my enemy but you conduct yourself on the battlefield as a gentleman. Im almost (i said almost) regretting taking your kd down, but i wouldnt even be fighting you if it werent for Asdfb attacking me, maybe things would be different. Thank you for not switching!


17:32:51 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Bruiant:

ehh, its just your post is exactly whats happening to PHX :D weve lost 5 members now. two are fairly strong. one was Girlish, and the other is Reaper, who joined ESE.
oh and Asdfb also quit. just to let ya know, im not giving up yet ;) i still got a few more teeth to bite with.


17:35:55 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. William The Evil One:

i change KD i think after 4/5 era's playing with em (or if my kd merged and umerges) never during an era eventhough you might die, its better to stay and die then run away.


18:19:10 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Bob Loblaw:

you know most of these people who kingdom hop, joined the kingdom for protection purposes. Join a big kingdom to be protected, which is understandable, going it alone just doesnt work. So when the *beep* hits the fan, they are looking for a way out, they have no allegences in their kingdom, chances are in the lower worlds, people are playing to protect themselves, so when an enemy attacks, kingdom members dont come to their aid, they are on their own. So the only way to survive is to change flags. Cant say i blame people for doing this, i just find it hard to believe that kingdoms are so willing to take new members. If they re willing to leave their original kingdom so quickly, what loyalty would they show their new kingdom.

The problem with the lower worlds is their are too many small groups of 7-8 friends who are good players trying to make a good kingdom work. what they dont realize is the beginning of the age is all about numbers, how many people are in your kingdom, regardless of how good these players are. 25 *beep*s can take down 8 elite players, just because of the shear number of troops they have.

 Each of these groups has their Leader, and are not willing to follow orders from another, what needs to happen is two kingdoms who are good players need to join forces to create one larger kingdom. but people are unwilling to give. they want their leader to remain leader. From what ive seen, Leaders are what is keeping this from happening. they want to keep their position of power and are just not willing to give that up. again its understandable, you get used to being in that position and it would be hard to give it up, but will that help out in the long run, probably not.

ok ive ramble on long enough.


18:35:39 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. William The Evil One:

6 elite players can do great against large numbers. look at elements this era, they did great but they just lost it against a overwhelming force of numbers.


18:37:38 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Imma Chargin Mah Lazer:

elite players and elements all in the same phrase ... Did you manage to keep a straight face when you typed that?


19:10:49 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Bruiant:

lol. and bob, PHX started with about 8 of us i think, and we took on POFF and a couple kingdomless people around us. the trouble is, every other kingdom decided to attack us at once :D so yeah, the crap did gain momentum toward the fan, it was 59 Vs 27-29.


22:13:38 Apr 21st 08 - Mr. Panic II:

Whats happening with PHX this era is just the most recent example I am talking about. Ive seen it last era with Wolf/Destiny and even within the KD I was in (TA). Even when I disagreed with my leaders last era, I stayed behind my kd (by this I mean, if you dont start at the exact start of the era you will get killed OOP) and I've talked to people there who have lost interest in the game because of it. I am considering moving from Zeta to Mant, but I like the KD I am in now and will probably stick with them.


08:42:29 Apr 22nd 08 - Mr. Bruiant:

I know we are not the first, but its much more irritable when its the kingdom your a vice in ;)


08:48:42 Apr 22nd 08 - Mr. Periannath:

20 newbs vs 6 elite oop as you put it would end in a victory for the 6 :) unless they are not as elite as you claim :P


14:40:46 Apr 25th 08 - Mr. Panic II:

Zetamania folly-waggers:

Girlish
PHX > THC

Gothir
PHI > THC

Reaper
PHX > ESE

Ambrose
PHX > LA

And those are just the big ones that I noticed, and all of those switched after spending more than half the era in their original KD's.


18:58:05 Apr 25th 08 - Mr. Kevdwayne:

I would like to put my 2 cents in on this.  VU is a game but, often it reflects RL and the condition/ attitude of Society as a whole.  I think the lack of commitment and loyalty in the game is a sad commentary of what is happening in the world today.  Everyone (with exceptions of course) wants what they want NOW!  and if they do not get it they lose patience and go some place else.  Speaking as the leader of one of the best groups of people in VU (yes, I am prejudiced) I can say that we don't have the problem of KD hopping, at least not from our KD though we do get requests from others wanting to hop into our KD and those we refuse.  It is difficult to make alliances not knowing when another KD may be disbanded because a Vice kicks all of the members or they are ineffective because of internal bickering.  If everyone (or even a majority) had the same attitude as Mr Panic this game would be much more enjoyable and exciting to play as the KD's would be stronger and hence more worthy foes.  Just my 2 cents.


19:49:49 Apr 25th 08 - Mr. Money:

Well, i switch KDs almost every era but never do it daring the era. Call it what you wish but its not up to any1 but me to decide who i play for and how i play. I switch b/c i like to meet new people and fight against different players. I switch KDs b/c i may not wont to go to a world they are going to and so on.

All in all its up to the players, so if you don't like people switching KDs on you then don't accept just anyone and do a background check.

Like i say to every KD i join, Im only here to help nothing more.


22:57:00 Apr 25th 08 - Mr. Panic II:

My original complaint is not about switching between eras (I would be a hypocrit). Its during the eras, changing the balance of power, that i dislike.


04:05:59 May 2nd 08 - Mr. Caradoc II:

Ms. Girlish pissed me off. those were some cities we could have taken (both RoC and us, THC) idk who the f* exepted that app but honestly. that was 100 percent unnecicary. she left because she was afraid to lose her number one spot.

 

me, iv kingdom hopped a few eras but this one i actully stayed with THC almost the whole way besides the begging part of the game where my  kingdom AAA failed in protecting me to cast ROF


08:46:37 May 2nd 08 - Mr. Bruiant:

Caradoc, somehow i think your post is bending the truth a little bit :)
AAA were killed by THC, and as far as i know, AAA and THC were undergoing nap negotiations, as where PHX and THC. but on both accounts, they stopped messaging, and then attacked. but thats besides the point.
once AAA were all killed, except you, did you not join PHX? i remember because i accepted the app, mostly because i was intending to build an armoury near you to stop PHI from invading in the future, but you left, so i gave up.
but Girlish did annoy me too. i wish i didnt resign now :D i had 50% on her 90ker with about 4 days left. the funny thing was, my army only had 2k axemen and 2k runemasters.


17:35:09 May 2nd 08 - Lord Legandary Zucox:

well.. For yoru information, AAA wasn't killed by THC... and AAA didn't failed... Our high Council (me and 2 Vices) Dual with Almezo and ffhreload (Phi leaders).. for your information, we won as well..  
yeah. it was true THC could able to take some of our cities... The reason we restarted the account and move to another world is because we want to see who is loyal to the kingdom and able to sacrisfied and delete what they have already possessed and come along to another world... Because we experienced some people are not loyal to the kingdom and hopping arond and some people has difficulty in team work, activeness etc...
and it does work..  We were put in the middle of 5 kingdoms and we could able to take out 3 kingdoms.. 1 (ROC) we allied to them while we were fighitng , the player like "Caradoc" settle his city far away from our main core because he doesn't want to be killed and didn't perticipate in war.. Now we have our loyal players and only selected players... no more estibilishing kingdom anymore...


17:40:46 May 2nd 08 - Mr. Mcmax:

And besides.

Girlish is a he...... not a she.

Family History

Back

Mr. Pirate Lord
Lived in Era 31, got 1 heirs (Girlish) and was a member of New White Wolfs generationDestinys ally

He follow Asiana
Ms. Girlish
Lived in Era 32. Member of Cannabis

No known history.


17:49:00 May 2nd 08 - Ms. Ranth:

Let me add - why in the hell do people think this is a good tactic...

*switch to my KD or I will kill you*

It's so lame - you want KD mates so badly you'll threaten them in?  As if that is going to make a good or loyal mate.

If I could bring myself to do it, I'd only do it to ruin that person.  Good thing I'd rather get killed.


16:21:11 May 3rd 08 - Mr. Bruiant:

Zucox, sorry, i was wrong, but i did say, as far as i know. its just all your cities where all owned by THC, i assumed they killed you, and i cant remember who, but somebody said that you were undergoing NAP negotiations with THC, because you were waring with PHI, which you won.


05:03:40 May 4th 08 - Lord Legandary Zucox:

nope.. we didn't negotiate with THC.. adamn sandler asked us to NAP with them.. at the beginning.. but we didn't accept it..
it's ok for your misunderstanding.. but now we feel good... as finally we know who loyal to the kingdom adn who juse join us for protection...
those kind of players usually switch the kingdom... they want so much from teh kingdom.. like protection etc.. and they dont' want to give anything for the kingdom...My policy is if someone wants to join us in the middle of the era, that person have to restart his account.. By then you can see that player really want to join the kingdom to play with us whether we rise or fall... Now in my kingodm, all the new recruits restarted thier account...  Even Mr.Remenber restarted his account and join us... . we dont' recruite anyone and we dont' force anyone to join us..  i hope people who are reading this thread should follow my way, if thy're pissed with kingdom switching players...


07:24:40 May 4th 08 - Mr. Drunkoldman:

@ranth
I know exactly what you mean, I'm on Latha, and some guy named Mr. Teacher comes and waits for me to get oop with an army, takes one of my towns, and tells me I have to join his kd or he'll "kill" me. and what's really stupid is my army is 4th on hoh currently and I have almost no percentage with full prep... so I can't take it back... anyways I'm really angry. why does he think I would want to join if he's acting in such a stupid way?

Mr. Teacher [DRW] (5/3/2008 1:31:26 PM) GOOD BAD
u either join or die thats what i stand for
You (5/3/2008 2:48:27 PM)
great kd. trying to force people into joining them by attacking them and using their cities as leverage, yeah, I really want to join you.

..|..


07:55:39 May 4th 08 - Mr. Justin:

thats stupid, when a chicken leaves a kingdom b/c that kingdom is lossing a war, then leaders of other kingdoms should be notified so that they wont let in deserters, and then everyone should just go annilate that person. I only switch kingdoms when its disbanded at the end of an era b/c lack of 5 ppl at the end


08:27:18 May 4th 08 - Mr. Anger:

Everything that has been written here is very true , unfortunately there will be always players who jump , desert , turn or stab empires in the bac. But sooner or later these players will find joining a empire very hard as most empires are building for long term playing not just 1-2 eras , speaking for myself i started with Silicon Knights then at the end of that era a few members decided that they where not ready to head to the big boys yet so started ROC and headed to Zeta, im glad i joined ROC  because there was no way i was ready and needed a few more eras to get exp. We have been lucky as we have built a great core of players who have the same goal  teamwork , friendship , and most of all FUN. So to all u Kingdom jumpers stop find a kingdom u like and stick with them no matter what , because the benefits in the long run are woth the sacrifice...

                                  Anger ( Son of Tempar )


09:25:02 May 4th 08 - Mr. Teacher:

lol...u expected me to let you join i was just that was just a lie to give me morale support...you also have nice cities *licks his lips*


09:48:43 May 4th 08 - Mr. Justanius:

and its very likely you have lvl1s iv never seen teacher train lvl1s oop


10:57:59 May 4th 08 - Ms. Macarodge:

Right now,in the lower worlds,kingdom hopping is just their means of survival.. I think..


11:14:42 May 4th 08 - Mr. Peter Jackson:

or nubs trying to fit in


11:18:26 May 4th 08 - Mr. Thatguy:

@Drunkoldman

Teacher is afraid of you therefore he wants you to join his KD so he doenst have to worry about you, and can turn his head the other way


11:25:35 May 4th 08 - Mr. Pimp:

ROFL...Just-Anus....you guys gotta stop posting on the forums...you making me laugh so hard a bit of pee came out...you and teacher are killing me..please stop...

Mr Thatguy...there is no dishonour in standing your ground...i'll tell you what usually happens with "Teacher" and his "students"...they start strong, start loosing some battles, create a few multi's, loose some more battles and when most players might train lvl1's at the start of the era, they train them at the end in a desperate bid to hold on to some of their horrible rainbow specials....LMFAO


12:08:24 May 4th 08 - Mr. Teacher:

...*just watches pimp......then ignores him reminding himself that pimp is mentally disabled*


15:18:04 May 4th 08 - Mr. Drunkoldman:

gaia
  ready: 1297
injured: 175
  in city: 0
hammerthrowers
  ready: 2054
injured: 143
  in city: 0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats whats in my army, and it says mine is at 3rd place on hoh, yet i have a small percentage to beat his which is much lower...


15:23:10 May 4th 08 - Mr. Kevdwayne:

HoH is about number of troops, not Offense or Defense points.....


15:43:52 May 4th 08 - Mr. Imma Chargin Mah Lazer:

No it's not actually.


16:33:10 May 4th 08 - Mr. Thatguy:

... its complicated for example.. recently i had an army of 5k ponies and 20k farmers- the farmers for after taking a city to leave for defending, anyways mine was top army "_"


17:21:20 May 4th 08 - Mr. Duke Kathandarion:

gaia
  ready: 1297
injured: 175
  in city: 0
hammerthrowers
  ready: 2054
injured: 143
  in city: 0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats whats in my army, and it says mine is at 3rd place on hoh, yet i have a small percentage to beat his which is much lower... come on be serious.this army is *beep*.dont be silly about this.how can this be a HOH.


17:38:33 May 4th 08 - Mr. Teacher:

i hav higher level troops...and the hoh isnt all about numbers..but that dose count for a high percentage


17:40:51 May 4th 08 - Mr. Imma Chargin Mah Lazer:

What world are you on for that army to pass for more than just an armed scout, let alone a hoh army.


18:12:46 May 4th 08 - Mr. Drunkoldman:

latha duh
that's several hours after coming OOP


19:00:22 May 4th 08 - Duke Arzoon:

Mr. Imma Chargin Mah Lazer

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4/21/2008 1:37:38 PM
elite players and elements all in the same phrase ... Did you manage to keep a straight face when you typed that?

You did it too Cobra :P


22:54:38 May 4th 08 - Mr. Kevdwayne:

If someone can show me solid proof that HoH isn't about numbers I would like to see it....


22:57:53 May 4th 08 - Mr. Periannath:

The Hoh is about points not sheer numbers


09:52:47 May 5th 08 - Mr. Teacher:

dont worry that drunk guys is dead

 


11:47:05 May 5th 08 - Mr. Pimp:

Mr. Teacher

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5/4/2008 8:25:02 AM
lol...u expected me to let you join i was just that was just a lie to give me morale support...you also have nice cities *licks his lips*
Mr. Justanius

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5/4/2008 8:48:43 AM
and its very likely you have lvl1s iv never seen teacher train lvl1s oop

makes me laugh when you need your multi to back you up


12:24:31 May 5th 08 - Mr. Justanius The Revengful:

actually people have played alongside me and teacher and know we are different people, so i very much doubt anyone will believe for false accusations


21:22:05 May 5th 08 - Mr. Pimp:

sure...
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