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Hey guys, I wanted to throw an idea out there and see if there is interest as a community in doing a Good vs Evil map on one of the worlds. I've been away for a while and the game looks like it's continued it's steady decline, and rather than sit here and complain about it we as a community can do something about it and have fun at the same time,

We have to take action and organize something ourselves.

There are a lot of problems with VU right now and we just chose to accept and bitch about most of them without actually doing anything, but let me just throw a couple of them out there for reference that we can all agree with:

The game is not conducive towards new players, they dont know anyone in a team based game to team up with in kingdoms and a lot of them flounder and die early then just quit the game

The mechanics and gameplay can get stale for some people

Veterans tend to play with other veterans and it can be hard for new players to break into 10+ year social circles

New players cannot compete with veterans who are active

The worlds are not balanced and the kingdom dynmaics are stale on some worlds


We can solve some of these issues immediately by playing a Good vs Evil world but we need to organize it as a community if there is enough interest and talk about how to go about implementing this with one another, and if there is enough interest we can talk to Zeta about autoshuffling and forcing one of two kingdoms (good or evil) on one of the worlds

I brought the idea up to the VU skype group and there is interest, so I wanted to see what the community as a whole thought as many people do not use the VU skype.

Good vs Evil would also present a good opportunity to bring in friends and new players alike if we force balanced teams via captains or shuffling

I think that doing it outside of Fantasia would also be a good idea because Fantasia might not end soon and it gives people who might come into the game through the Good vs Evil (seriously we need to get some new players and we're going to have to do it ourselves) a chance to play on the 'competitive' world and to play VU as it was meant to be experienced.

Here are some ideas about how to go about implementing this before we take this to Zeta or the suggestion forums with a poll (because we all know thats the only thing that Zeta ever checks for):

1. Make it so everyone autojoins either good or evil and they dont get to chose which one.

2. Put it on a world that isnt Fantasia so that people can enjoy the game in it's 'vanilla' form on the top world

3. We need to bring in new players and friends

Those are the basic things that everyone seems to agree with but we still have to see if people are interested in this and discuss some of the finer details

Love the idea, just throwing a few things out there.

Skype > irc. Not everyone kept their computers on overnight which irc required you to do.

I would like to take part in this. As to Hanky's concerns, you can't fix what other players will do. Aside from getting kicked from the kingdom and cities taken, you can't really do much. But that is the nature of human beings... And we can't ever change that. I think with the few minor downsides mentioned by Hanky, it would be more than worth a shot.

I don't think that there should be an option to kick players in Good vs Evil, it doesnt seem like there is a good reason for it and no one who is playing on the map should have the power to do that.

We should decide whether or not we want there to be the option to leave kingdoms. If you forced people to autojoin either Good or Evil randomly and allowed people to leave then people who leave good or evil wouldnt be able to join Good or Evil again anyways, but allowing for that creates a third faction/soloplayer/non-allied neutral element (might be cool, might not be) but also opens up for the door for abuse in much the same way kicking people does as well as allowing for people to collude together with other vets that they would normally play with in a kingdom, but it's still worth considering.

What do you guys think about it?

Determining leadership is easy, that will come naturally in situations like this. Just make it so people can not leave their team and go solo. Deleting your character should only be possible the first day when you can see who you play with.

And it doesn't have to be good vs evil, I'd settle for blue vs red or spy vs spy ;-)

Or try to work in "objectives" that will give a team a score, like taking (strong) neutral cities, controlling a certain part of the map etc.

halflings aren't good. they're greedy little thieves.

don't make to much shit.... Simple just send messages to all kingdoms leaders and vices, they send to members and rest players about Good and Evil match. Write more in forums. Randomly join evil or good sides, choice two main leaders and enjoy game. Simple. 

I think we shouldn't over-complicate this with fixed races or landings.

Zeta has restarted, are we doing this now?

I think it is far too unorganised to do it now. I'm happy to start it now but I don't think enough people are ready (some people may have to free up a character once another world ends)

ive landed on zeta. 11 ticks til can make a city. am not keen on being leader tho since am already leader on fant. im kdless atm so if someone wants to make a good or evil kd ill apply

Im on the too soon wagon

i just landed on zeta is this happening?

I say nirvana is the best option. Also gives us plenty of time to organise it and let zeta prepare.

Oh you're right. I didn't realize that one of the 50% world is open to everyone. I'm so nub :D I've always thought that 50% world = new player world lol

im on the map but i dont want to play too many chars so will sit out

That's pretty much the idea, but I wanted to hammer out the basic concepts and make sure people were on board with it first.before I make signups.

I think at this point there is a pretty clear interest in doing a Good vs Evil so I'll make a signup thread later tomorrow with the rules/details but I want to leave it open to discussion for a while longer in case anyone had any thoughts or ideas.

i'll sign up, a captains draft would be nice if we could pull it off

sounds good for me

Alright I am messaging the KD leaders on Valhalla and Nirvanna right now to let them know that this is going on so both they themselves and their KD members can either sign up or be aware that it's happening.

I was going to make a separate thread to coordinate anything or that required involvement from Zeta but I think we are good to go- we play on either Nirvana or Valhalla, whichever ends first. I'm starting the signups now, I'll assume that posting in this thread before this point was purely to discuss the idea and doesn't mean you are signed up, so the list starts with myself and those that have made it clear that they will play via skype:

1. Barny
2. Pure
3. Bran

1. Barny
2. Pure
3. Bran
4. Penguin
5. Fire Lord

Isn't that why you're playing Hodor?

Barny
2. Pure
3. Bran
4. Penguin
5. Fire Lord