Right after we had made a truce, the dark empire attacked us without warning. There excuse, was, that one of our members took one of his cities. But our member took the city before we had made the pact...
what the f did you just do? I thought we we had a NAP.
You (5/14/2009 12:52:39 PM)
I thought so too. Until your KD took two of my KD's cities. I then messaged your leader and this was his response.
You (5/13/2009 9:43:54 AM) Why is Gawaine still attacking me even though we are CF'd? General Zondervan [LD] (5/14/2009 12:16:12 AM) GOOD BAD no idea.
No attempt to stop the problem.
So i messaged gawaine.
You (5/13/2009 9:42:44 AM) Why are you attacking us when we are CF'dMr. Gawaine [LD] (5/13/2009 10:13:12 PM) GOOD BAD Took
the base before we established the CF. If you would like to further
pursue this, reach an agreement with the leaders, although I am a
diplomat. Mr. Gawaine [LD] (5/14/2009 12:52:17 AM) GOOD BAD I
would also recommend that you don't try to fight us by attacking me.
I'm going to station plenty of troops in all my bases, in fact, atm
each one has enough to hold off large numbers of troops. So I recommend
if you don't want me to redirect my 100-200k army on you, then you just
wait. Since it's almost the end of the era anyways....
Which
were all lies as he took it the next day so i decided it was pointless
if he is a diplomat and this is the skill level of your kd diplomats
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/14/2009 12:58:51 PM)
I
want record of this. And i think it was wrong of you also to take my
cities with out notifying me that we had broken the cease fire. that
city coasted 6 mill to build.
You (5/14/2009 4:32:52 PM)
If your KD had not attacked me and continuied plundering and killed 2K cata of mine i would not of attacked you or anyone else.
I
notified your leader that he had broken the CF. he seemed un alerted by
this development. it was clear to me he did not care either way.
I explained it to you twice....... anyone with intelligence will not flame. We had the city til a day after you CF''d us so do not lie and what about this then.
09:14:28: Death lead by Gawaine attacked and took
over Smashin. Our peasants managed to escape with all the resources to
Blah. We lost 0 Swordsmen, 0 Archers, 0 Knights, 0 Magicians, 0
Catapults and 0 peasants in the battle.
This was when i decided it was pointless. this was 3 ticks before you messaged me claiming you had not attacked us.
your attacking the cities i am trying to take. withdraw from there and i withdraw from here.
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/11/2009 7:11:04 PM)
or how about i just destroy your army?
You (5/11/2009 7:14:06 PM)
how about you dont :P i could just wreck your city if you want? I raze if you attac my army
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/11/2009 7:29:43 PM)
alright,
I guess thats fair. Leave my city alone and i will leave your armies
and cities alone. Consider this a personal truce. If i were you, i
would not decline this personal Cease Fire.
You (5/11/2009 7:31:26 PM)
I accept. I just hope you are a man of your word.
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/11/2009 7:32:53 PM)
You are in the presence of a man of honor. I always keep my word, and every agreement that i deem reasonable.
You (5/11/2009 7:34:08 PM)
I see your a vice.......any chance of you trying to extend it to your whole KD lol
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/11/2009 7:38:36 PM)
This
offer is far reaching. Unless you offer some sort of gift, i do not see
this discussion going any farther. I have no idea however how you might
be able to serve us. But that is in your hands now. If you can convince
me, then i will discuss this with my leaders.
If you have nothing in mind, then I have a few things that I can suggest.
You (5/11/2009 10:48:11 PM)
Like?
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/11/2009 10:51:03 PM)
try to be more supportive in my kingdom page in the politics page...
I
will inform our leaders that you are asking for a cease fire now, as
soon as you agree to change your mind about the kingdom i am going to
build.
Please feel free to post something you think will be
productive for my success next era. I would like it if you could think
of something creative...
-Paracelzus
You (5/11/2009 11:01:47 PM)
Merging your KD with mine would be creative :D
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/11/2009 11:05:30 PM)
that is in our best interests right now, i am sorry. Lets just stick to the original plan.
You (5/11/2009 11:08:19 PM)
lol whic was?
You (5/11/2009 11:10:20 PM)
will do
Mr. Paracelzus [LD] (5/11/2009 11:08:55 PM)
try to be more supportive in my kingdom page in the politics page...
I
will inform our leaders that you are asking for a cease fire now, as
soon as you agree to change your mind about the kingdom i am going to
build.
Please feel free to post something you think will be
productive for my success next era. I would like it if you could think
of something creative...
what do you mean? everything comes with a price Santa. I had done nothing before hand and Corollin started to prep on my city. I was simply moving my army to take out a city that was not part of a kingdom, and corollin moved upon my city and started to prep. and i sent me that message.
Since i didn't have any armories up there, i could not put up a formidable defense for someone even that week.
That was why a truce was going to come with a price. Asking for advice and support is not a hard thing to do santa. Obveasly there are no claims against my bad leadership. So corollin and other people were false to assume that my kingdom was a "fail". So therefore i wanted the debt paid for littering my kingdom page with crap.
It was Corollin who attacked MY city after gawaine attacked (which i am still not sure he did), and he attacked my army. Before he even said ANYTHING about us breaking truce.
And tell me again what honesty has to do with me "not" being honourable?
Paracelzus. Read the times i messaged. I told Gawaine and Your KD leader that your Kd had broken the truce. i told them the day before i took your city. them not telling you is not my fault. I have *beep*ligation to message all vices or the whole KD saying it has been broken.
Yes, lets take Rebirth for example. It states clearly that Thomaas is their diplomate so he should be contacted. I see no fault in Kath contacting Zondervan.
And what I ment about honour and honesty was that you call yourself a man of honour(can be true, I dont know you) but what is it worth being honourable when you're not being honest?(referring to you wanting Kath to change his opinion on the forum in exchange for the CF)
[19:01] Mr. Paracelzus: did you use to own Fallen
Timbers? [19:08] Mr. Duneidinaman: I want to talk with you... [19:08] Mr. Paracelzus: did you
use to own fallen timbers? [19:08] Mr. Paracelzus: sure [19:08] Mr. Paracelzus: i am all ears [19:08] Mr. Duneidinaman: yes [19:08] Mr. Duneidinaman: it was for armouries [19:08] Mr. Paracelzus: ok [19:08] Mr. Paracelzus: thanks [19:25] Mr. Duneidinaman: I learned something in the process [19:25] Mr. Duneidinaman: your are most welcome [19:25] Mr. Paracelzus: did you make sure you copied ALL of the news? [19:26] Mr. Paracelzus: like from the beginning of when you started? [19:27] Mr. Duneidinaman: started from the top at 1 days ago [19:27] Mr. Paracelzus: so you started yesterday? [19:28] Mr. Duneidinaman: yes. I don't have fallen timbers on it [19:28] Mr. Paracelzus: do you know why? [19:28] Mr. Duneidinaman: I get tired of all the paragraphs on it and
delete it [19:29] Mr. Paracelzus: oo ok... well that sucks [19:29] Mr. Paracelzus: sorry i have been bothering you this whole time [19:29] Mr. Duneidinaman: I am sorry that I didn't get want you wanted [19:29] Mr. Duneidinaman: like i said I learned something. [19:30] Mr. Duneidinaman: I see gawaine did take fallen timbers [19:30] Mr. Duneidinaman: like you said [19:30] Mr. Paracelzus: why didn't you know of this before? [19:31] Mr. Duneidinaman: I didn't check it. I was too busy reading and
typing [19:31] Mr. Duneidinaman: my bad :( [19:31] Mr. Paracelzus: oh ok [19:32] Mr. Duneidinaman: I do know he took the city with ease [19:32] Mr. Paracelzus: lol, yeah, we all make mistakes sometime [19:32] Mr. Duneidinaman: I make more than I would like too [19:32] Mr. Duneidinaman: humbling [19:33] Mr. Duneidinaman: did you want to know how many soldiers he had? [19:34] Mr. Paracelzus: nah, i was just wondering when exactly he took
your city [19:34] Mr. Paracelzus: or just the estimated time [19:35] Mr. Paracelzus: like then did you find it missing? today?
yesterday? [19:35] Mr. Paracelzus: two days ago? [19:35] Mr. Duneidinaman: yeah 2 days ago [19:36] Mr. Paracelzus: are you absolutly sure? [19:36] Mr. Duneidinaman: actually it seems to be about Monday [19:36] Mr. Duneidinaman: I remember [19:37] Mr. Duneidinaman: My leader told me we had a cease fire with ld [19:37] Mr. Duneidinaman: the day he sent me the message I was like
really!! [19:38] Mr. Paracelzus: so it was taken after the cease fire? or before [19:38] Mr. Duneidinaman: because gawine took my city that day or the
night before [19:38] Mr. Duneidinaman: well it was taken. I then I got the message
from my leader that it was a cease fire [19:39] Mr. Paracelzus: so it was before the message from your leader [19:39] Mr. Duneidinaman: exactly [19:39] Mr. Paracelzus: could i have a copy of the message? I am trying
to clear up a few things [19:39] Mr. Duneidinaman: sure [19:41] Mr. Paracelzus: ok thanks! [19:42] Mr. Duneidinaman: they took me tuesday [19:42] Mr. Duneidinaman: wed. I got the message [19:42] Mr. Duneidinaman: yeah. anytime. [19:42] Mr. Paracelzus: so they took the city tuesday, and you got the
message wed.. [19:42] Mr. Duneidinaman: yes [19:43] Mr. Paracelzus: alright, i guess i don't have to bother you
anymore [19:43] Mr. Paracelzus: lol [19:43] Mr. Paracelzus: sorry [19:43] Mr. Duneidinaman: don't apologize
and this was the message that Corollin sent Duneidinaman:
Divine Grandmaster Corollin [TDE] (5/13/2009 1:42:56 AM) GOOD BAD we are CFF'd to LD You (5/13/2009 6:27:37 AM) you mean to join them Divine Grandmaster Corollin [TDE] (5/13/2009 7:04:47 AM) GOOD BAD No. CF as in they can not attack us. Cease fire
I am sorry Corollin, but either you are mistaken, or you lied.
Duneidinaman said that he was attacked before the cease fire.
I have talked this conversation over with Duniedinaman, and told him the purpose of my questioning over privet messages, and he said it was alright to post this.
he's manipulating sentences. That one that's about attacking had the subject of a city I took BEFORE the CF was established, so it was perfectly fair. Then he changed it to say I attacked their city Smashin, which I've NEVER even had troops that far north before!! He forged the attack as a horrible attempt to get me Forced out. Here's the messages I have, and you'll see they match. look at the subject, it says 'Fallen Timbers' which is the base I took from them before we had CF and they attacked me first, so I had another right:
Took
the base before we established the CF. If you would like to further
pursue this, reach an agreement with the leaders, although I am a
diplomat.
You (5/13/2009 7:52:17 PM)
I
would also recommend that you don't try to fight us by attacking me.
I'm going to station plenty of troops in all my bases, in fact, atm
each one has enough to hold off large numbers of troops. So I recommend
if you don't want me to redirect my 100-200k army on you, then you just
wait. Since it's almost the end of the era anyways....
Maybe join a better KD coff mine. we are CF'd with the invading forces. and are competent.
You (5/14/2009 5:40:22 PM)
I
would, but you guys have attacked my Kingdom. I'm not going to march on
y'all unless you mess with me, and I think that's adequate. If you
change the picture for your kingdom, maybe next era I'll be with you. ;P
So join me. Im a good leader. TAK had a good idea but choice the wrong fights and had too much arrogance.
Also, more proof here in this message Paracelzus sent me and has already posted that says I only attacked BEFORE the ceasefire, by ONE DAY. That's a fair amount of time before, 24 turns approximately.
Corollin you're a liar and a cheater, and you framed me for something I didn't do. Quit trying to get members out of their Kingdoms for you to recruit you scumbag.
Also, more proof is, look at the 3rd post in this thread. The second word of it is "lead" which should be "led". I don't think VU would make such a basic mistake in something that happens as commonly as a battle. So he may've also forged that letter in hopes of recruiting me.
okay now look at this. Paracelzus look at the date i informed him of the CF. due to i admit bad leadership he was informed of the CF 2 days later then it was made. so..... it still stands that you broke it lol.
and gawaine that is the message i sent them so wtf........
And we have: [19:42] Mr. Duneidinaman: they took me tuesday Which is may 12. CF existed when he attacked. Corrolin was late sending the message but thats not the point of discussion here. Its your own proof Paracelzus, and its agains you.
you maniacle little whore corollin. I never attacked any city called Smashin and you're making fake messages you piece of crap. Seriously, you must have no life if you try to recruit people by getting them expelled from KD's greater than yours.
Corollin is a liar. I beg everyone to not believe him, since I have never attacked or owned a city called 'Smashin', when he sent a message saying I broke the CF by attacking such a city. I attacked one of their cities, but about 4 days before CF because he attacked me first. I got a message 3 days after I took it that was from corollin and it said that I was attacking when we were CF'ed, when he quite obviously said his message was 2 days late, and so 3 days after, I don't know, still a full day of ownership before confirmed CF. So he's freaking lying.
Alright, this is the last I'm saying in this conversation since you are being a r3t@rd and trying to fight against something you've already lost. I always read the KD forums before I do anything in the game involving wars, and there was NOTHING about a new relation when I looked, so you can suck it.
i need said we killed you more than once, so know wat ur talking about *beep*.
and if he attacked you before it was put in forum, so wat. then neither is traitor. sinply it didn't get put in in time. some of us do have lives beside vu..
Santa, I did not see it fit to further talk with him. I only have the power to ask/present NAP's/alliances/MPP's/MAP's to other KD's. Or wars. Plus, I don't like it when people try to fight and basically back themselves into a wall.
