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Okay, so recently I've had a discussion with a friend of mine. I recently got the feeling that everyone thinks FATE didn't do anything wrong with their amounts of NAP's. However, that friend tried telling me that everyone still hates them really.

So I'm wondering. What do YOU think about FATE's NAP policy? What does the general VU-er think about the endless pages of flame-wars between FATE and other notorious vu-ers? Are we crossing the line? Is FATE crossing the line? Because for all I know, I could be defending no-one , and everyone thinks I'm wrong. In which case I shall quit flaming FATE and live with it.

So please, I'd like to see the opinion of the vu comunity, FATE members often claim that lots of people think they are right. And we (anti-FATE :P) often claim everyone hates them.

Now, I don't want any flame-wars in here, we can keep those for other threads. so please only post one of the following two sentences. :

Yes, FATE has crossed the line when it comes to their amount of NAP's.
No, FATE have done nothing wrong.


Vote only once please, and please keep it strict with only those 2 sentences. I'd like to keep this thread flame-less.

IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS FLAME-WAR IS ALL ABOUT, STAY THE HECK OUT OF THE THREAD :P

(some people may find me an attention whore, or find this thread unnesecary : Well, keep your opinions for yourselves, they aren't cared about by me, and this thread isn't against the rules.)

Yes, FATE has crossed the line when it comes to their amount of NAP's.

its ludicrous.

I have no idea how many they had. Feanor never responded to me this era when I messaged him. Mostly we have 3 or 4 Fate fallowed us from world to world taking cities. Not going to complain as there is nothing says they cant prey on someone all era.

what part of no flaming don't you guys understand? I don't want this to turn into just another flame thread. Which people like Brett seem to be eager for.

I think Fate really did have too many NAPs, but when you think about it, I think Fate would win the era even if they did not have all these NAPs. The fact is that they have most active and skilled people.
I am sure some of the Kingdoms came to them and offered them NAP and Fate just kept accepting most of the offers as they really wanted to win the era. I believe that era was over in terms who would win when Fate NAPed Pks and MAD... Those two were probably the only ones that could stand against Fate, except from Rebirth of course. But we in Rebirth made couple of mistakes, and we have too many inactive members. Its all about how many active skilled players you have, and nobody can say Fate isnt skilled. They are a very good well organized Kingdom.
They would still most likely win the era but so many NAPs were really not needed. But the fact is also that this era will be remembered as era that Fate won, and not the map-napping era.

Yes, FATE has crossed the line when it comes to their amount of NAP's.

    I don't know if Fate challenged themselves as much as they possibly could, but I don't really think they deserve all the crap they are getting for their NAPS.  I wasn't really there for it, but didn't the big kingdom that landed on Fantasia last era get torn to bits from attacks on all sides?  I'd imagine that at the start of this era Fate didn't want to end up like that, imo if you are fighting too many wars to stand a chance, then your diplomats have made some mistakes. 
      Like for example, this era SIN was fighting PKS/PHI for a time, that was about 50 vs 14.  True that we weren't there only focus, but that is a hard fight either way.  We chose our battles.  To add Fate or some other large kingdom at the same time would have spelled certain doom for us.

     Fate had an OOP war with HIV/Choco and won.  We, SIN, and GOTF entered eastern Fantasia from Nirvana while Fate was still warring Choco/HIV, we both got NAPs with Fate, I'm guessing because they didn't want to fight all 4 of us at once.  GOTF was warring HIV at the same time as Fate so that NAP makes sense, enemy of my enemy sort of thing.  And SIN, as much as we can fight, probably wouldn't have stood a good chance against Fate with our 14 or so members while our war with PHI/PKS was starting up.  Fate also NAPed Mr. Heads Hunter, who was soloing, but I imagine that was less of saving themselves and more of saving him.
   Fate's NAP with PKS makes sense in that they were both fighting other wars, PKS--> RVL, and Fate--> HIV/Choco.  They were both giant kingdoms, and a war between the two could have cost them both dearly.
   Fate did go to war with PHI on Mantrax, but I couldn't see Fantasia's western or southern fronts, though BOOM did appear later from the south which was a GOTF/Fate controlled area.  This is all just my perspective though.  I've heard of Fate warring many other kingdoms through the era, so I wouldn't say they have just farmed.
   In the end, Fate still had to work for there win, you can't knock the skill that many of their players had.  They might not have had the hardest wars, but they played to win, and so they did.  This is just my opinion though, so take it for what you will.

there is no rule against that, i see that move on their part as being smart and part of good tactics and if that is what it takes to win then i dont think it is a problem at all.

why is 12 inch 's reply deleted he simpely awnsered leela's post..

In my honest opinion, this game is not about wars, it is all about politics, so my vote:

No, FATE have done nothing wrong

this is the guy who won the era

Total land: 387082			Battles won: 0			Cities captured: 0
Total killed: 0			Science lvls: 38			Total troops: 2.4 Million

 Nuff said
and the top 6 guys killed less troops then ONE! person(bogdan) if you can go thought the era like that is just ridiculous

You all screamed blue murder when I said the era winner should be totally based on the most fearsome list, as thats what, in the end the objective of the game is. Now you complain cause we got a farmer score list...cant have both.

brett you show your a fool once more. the fearsome list is a joke and it shows next to nothing of what actually happens. crowning an era winner because he killed nub troops or was given troops to kill isnt much different. that said this has to be the LEAST deserved and most pathetic era win ive seen since i started. the end score does need a total overhaul again it seems BUT if you use troops killed you need to do it by op and dp not just pure numbers. you need to show the difference between killing 30k nazguls and 150k gaia. and taking an undefended 1 building city or a fortified 90k city

fearsome rulers is an indication like hoh armies but not really accrute at all.
and also early era achivements are overshadowd..
bringing down a entire kd early era is as mutch kills as the kill youd make as takeing 1 city late in the era..

please re read the updates at the start of the era, then decide whats what.

era of dvs

and that shows a far superior fearsome list being implemented how?

mage ftw?

FATE have decent leaders. Lets talk about someone evil instead like MAD...

Davey, is that yes or no? lol :p

bt when it comes to wrong or right.......then no doubt fate did nothing wrong.

we all kno in this game fighting and killing troops isnt wat makes a succesful era..........some did too much fighting n lost n mayb fate didnt do enough of it.

bt what they did breaks no VU laws.

ED, I thought muh answer was pretty obvious? :p

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21:13:25 Sep 4th 09 You all screamed blue murder when I said the era winner should be totally based on the most fearsome list, as thats what, in the end the objective of the game is. Now you complain cause we got a farmer score list...cant have both.

That list was the one that seemed most interesting to me to begin with. However it seems to me that it mostly is about who is best at fighting empty cities and playing city tennis.

Troops killed seems to be undervalued but should be most important if you ask me.

Your saying no VU laws have been broken, yes but I've noticed that it has unwritten laws you should abide. This wasn't the case this era, I don't know if FATE has always been like this but whoever lead this plan must hate playing games on any difficulty above very easy.

I'd point towards their viceroys but I've only really seen stuff from two of them. Mainly from Twelve Inch Mctasty though, which leads me to ask if the leadership is infact run from the viceroys, or him.

But from what I've seen from obviously more veteran and experienced players, is that mass NAPing has always been frowned upon and a win like this is not deserved.

Funny that you make this flame thread and ask for no flaming. My suggestion to the OP is to get over it. If you think they have too many naps then build up an alliance against them.
No, Fate have done nothing wrong.
That said, I don't give them any credit for winning the era. Era winners these days are overrated and irrevelent.