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23:16:06 May 26th 20 - Konspyre (Captain Turalyon): Look guys! It's the sex number! Ooooohhh. After decades of Holy oppression, Holy is finally gone from Valhalla! Yay! In its place, some Holy members made Judgement instead, so I'm looking forward to how this era will go. :) Cheers to all you WoW folks out there who recognized Holy's banner. | |||||||||||||
19:16:52 May 30th 20 - Konspyre (Captain Turalyon): Can we stop the silly stone prices so i can native in peace? Thanks in advance. | |||||||||||||
01:16:11 May 31st 20 - Dakarta (Lord Dacarta): I second that. | |||||||||||||
01:38:05 May 31st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: Supply and demand. | |||||||||||||
01:40:09 May 31st 20 - Konspyre (Captain Turalyon): There is no demand, therefore, don't try to supply, and native instead. | |||||||||||||
01:42:32 May 31st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: You can still native. Just do it at a price the natives want. | |||||||||||||
02:07:36 May 31st 20 - Konspyre (Captain Turalyon): Shit argument mate, give me my .59 :D:D | |||||||||||||
04:04:14 May 31st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: Buy up the goods and have at it :) | |||||||||||||
22:40:26 May 31st 20 - Emperor (Emperor Benightedness): I will buy all stone soon.. thanks for keeping price low | |||||||||||||
02:22:02 Jun 1st 20 - Captain Joebob The Lightbringer: This market is trash.. is the whole world OPPing or is no one buying? | |||||||||||||
15:13:32 Jun 19th 20 - Phat (Grand Moff Thrawn): The fuq | |||||||||||||
15:18:12 Jun 19th 20 - Sir Edi The Great: Went from asking us to Nap Judgement to give them a better fight to casting Arma? Why? Era is not over... We did what you suggested, we’re giving you guys a fight, are we not?? | |||||||||||||
17:13:07 Jun 19th 20 - Mr. The Great And Powerful: Well... you are right Edi... but suddenly I find out that not all of us active enough.. We are those who can't give you a good fight :) | |||||||||||||
06:39:20 Jul 20th 20 - Ryan the Archion (Lord Arc): How's the 20vs7 going on? | |||||||||||||
06:54:44 Jul 20th 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Paladin): You mean the 10v9? I don’t know, ask the people actually fighting y’all lol We’re stuck in limbo, as we are “at war” with y’all while HnS keeps threatening war everytime we try to actually move on y’all... So we’ve had a lot of fun sitting still for the last month, been a great era! :P | |||||||||||||
07:40:18 Jul 20th 20 - Sir Edi The Great: Thats lame Ryan First asking us to CF to give you guys a better fight And now complaining And please do state which members of Judgement actually are fighting you? Percy, funny as the issue is you not sending troops to help, and now yoi turn it around blaming us for for you guys not fighting CW? Did not see that coming :-D | |||||||||||||
08:04:47 Jul 20th 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Reborn): Shall I post the chats Bigfield sent to Jasper a week or two ago? As we started to get HoH armies and semi-competitive after being killed off early on, he tells us “just remember, once CW is 30% power, CF ends and we will be at war”. Now with 3 active players who have an army, the rest inactive due to dying 3 weeks into the era or new to the game, why would we willingly attack CW with that threat on the table? You offered peace to end the era swiftly, we accepted. We reached HOH status to help end CW, then you all rescind the peace out of fear we would take a top HOH spot instead of asking us to released troops to cede spots (which we have volunteered to do on two occasions now). We don’t want any notion of victory, just a swift end to the era, whatever that may look like. I’ll demo every city I own if need be. We sincerely wanted to help any way we could, but you grew uncomfortable it took so long and we got to powerful. And that’s after we helped defend against a strong push from CW up the middle after you all had overextended. I really don’t understand why y’all are so pissed at us... trying to rebuild 3 weeks late into an era against a KD that got to farm all era isn’t an easy feat, specially when 2 of the 3 active members are Halfers. Halfers can’t compete 53 days into the era against farmed Orcs and Trolls, everyone knows this... Instead of being upset we didn’t attack CW, you should redirect the anger at those who put us in this position (yourselves) and, in particular, the one who kept threatening war and nullified our end-of-era peace agreement (Bigfield) while we prepared to fight CW. We seriously tried to help wrap this era up quick to give y’all the victory and move on to the next one, but then you got pissed we weren’t quick about it (who would restating so late?) and backed out of every deal you made with us. With this in mind, why in the world would we ever move out on CW? Please enlighten me, I’m dying to hear why we should help the one telling us we’re the next to die :) | |||||||||||||
08:06:11 Jul 20th 20 - Ryan the Archion (Lord Arc): @Edi LMAO! WTH? When did we ask a CF? It was never mentioned in our forums. If it was I would never agree to it. @Percy Who have 9? ROFL. Last time I know we have at most 7 players playing with very low activity. You are at war with HnS? ROFL. Never seen fights among you guys ever since I took Stockpile. ROFL. | |||||||||||||
08:09:02 Jul 20th 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Reborn): @Arc The CF Edi mentioned was with us, not y’all. He was trying to talk to us both without making it super clear :P Read my above comment, I outlined our relations (changing as they are) with HnS pretty clearly. On the KD list it shows you have 9 players. If you auto-removed actives to reach your 7 member number, then we have 4 members rather than 9... please be clear with how you are trying to frame your argument so I can do likewise :) my numbers were based on what Kingdoms List shows | |||||||||||||
10:01:47 Jul 20th 20 - Mr. The Great And Powerful: Guys, this is summer, both sides have inactive players, simple as that. If we all get bored I can cast arma :) | |||||||||||||
14:18:56 Jul 20th 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Reborn): As far as Judgement is concerned, feel free to cast whenever :) could start that 10 day timer and what happens by the end happens with the new era starting anew all the sooner. | |||||||||||||
21:50:36 Jul 20th 20 - Phat (Grand Moff Thrawn): Well, for the record: | |||||||||||||
00:20:30 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Joebob The Dishonored: I’m just putting this out there... just because it’s y’allS first time in the driver seat I’ll give y’all some valuable information. You can’t keep changing up the CF to help y’all out around every corner and expect us follow. I’m itching for a fight. Been dogging everyone to fight y’all. I didn’t quit when we were OOP and I’ve been waiting since. So if y’all are itching so bad why not work out a real deal. Instead of some crap and actually have some leadership. No one knows what you want to do. We are confused af. So again, Moff and bigfield. Get your shit together before trying to blast | |||||||||||||
00:38:21 Jul 21st 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Paladin): We’ve been trying our best to help, and have said 3-4 different times now we will dismantle all our power to end the era and vacate ALL top spots to ensure you win the era. If anyone has been dishonorable, it has been your KD as you have been trying to find ways to wiggle out of a deal you yourselves proposed to us and we accepted. Don’t fault us for not being active after dying so late. It’s a miracle any of us are even still playing Val. And don’t forget who came to your aid and stalled CW when they pushed up the middle due to your overreach, which was caused cause y’all assumed we had the same power as you. Literally right after they pushed, Bigfield threatened us (who had a total of 7 mil OP COMBINED) that y’all are still planning to attack once CW reached 30% your power. You had enough power in one army to crush our combined forces. What else were we to do? We sat back and built troops to be competitive. Right as we get to being competitive, we hear y’all would basically rather attack us there and now, stalling the era god knows how long, just to prove a point. Why? Who wins in this situation? It makes y’all look petty (specially when we were literally grouping up troops to launch our assault, the armies were all visibly moving) and none of us get to move on to a new era (pretty clear winner this era, HnS). Let’s continue as we had agreed: keep fighting CW, cast Arma whenever seems reasonable, and let’s end this era. I will personally release every troop and demo every building to ensure I place dead last if need be, and my guys have all voiced identical sentiments. Heck, if y’all withdraw your threats of war, we would’ve fought CW days ago. Just for the love of all that is good, don’t stall this era any longer than is needed to :) | |||||||||||||
00:52:06 Jul 21st 20 - Ms. Jasmine: So wait, have you guys offered to drop out of top hoh positions in the talks with our leadership. If so, who did you talk to regarding that? | |||||||||||||
02:24:04 Jul 21st 20 - Phat (Grand Moff Thrawn): @Jasmina, that did come up about 20 ticks ago, but that quickly went away after the proposal to arma then fight came out, then was withdrawn, as the members of Judgement would rather see CW on top instead of us. Both sides are salty right now. And technically, Judgment is within their rights here, and if I were in their position I might be arguing the same thing. And emotions are high on both sides of this cease fire, both sides would prefer to take second place to CW rather than see the other win. Which is insane. But, @CW, we're listening. Let's talk, let's kill off Judgment. I'm not even gonna get into the actual content of our conversations, both sides are completely within their right, completely frustrated. But Jasper and I talk a lot! Even recently on voice chats. From recent conversations, there will be no era lasting fudes between myself and jasper and I ask that both kingdoms take that lead. Regardless of this outcome, it's an era to era game. I'm frustrated, you're frustrated. Let's play, then move on at the Arma cast. | |||||||||||||
02:30:06 Jul 21st 20 - Konspyre (Captain Liadrin):
I have been talking to Moff because Bigfield didn't respond to in-game VU messages. Just to clarify, Percy told me 3-4 times we would raze buildings to give you the HoH spot. I did tell Moff we were willing to, but obviously not every single time it was told to me on Skype. If I were to literally share all opinions ever shared we might as well all join one chat server and discuss it out there.
I do believe Moff is getting the short end of the stick here, because I am currently the communicating voice of Judgment despite having practically died three times this era, so my activity in the 2-5th week of the era has been.... questionable at best. So both sides have their complaints and grievances, which I'm sure are fair, but me being in Judgment, my position is pretty obvious. Moff has been taking all the comms from both sides, but unlike me, I feel like he's somehow expected to be the one to come up with a solution? Whereas I just forward everything to the group, and we discuss and decide as a group, by majority vote if needed.
Joebob and Percy's points are solid though. You put us into this position, we took the initial brunt of the CW attacks because of our positioning, with only losses and no gains, and one half-decent army by the end of it. Bit silly to then complain about us not fighting CW, despite us having only one army that could barely, if at all, match one of several you had.
I can write a book about how shitty this era has been going for us already,
and I've done my best to facilitate communications between our kingdoms as well
as possible, and letting all of our KD's voices be heard. So many amendments to the current agreements already in place have been
proposed and rejected already that I can't even begin to keep track. And we
haven't proposed any of them. I have said on several occasions that i just.
want. the. era. to. end. If anyone votes Arma right now, I will go right ahead and vote yes. If HnS has an agreement about us with CW, causing us to fight CW 1v1 without HnS being able to do anything because of existing agreements, this era will drag on for a long time. To summarize it: Did you truly expect we would, in any way, freely lube up
our own asses for an ass-raping? And shoutout to Moff for doing his best. Also please end the era.
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02:58:34 Jul 21st 20 - Lady Jasmina: I have stated many times in our forums that I do not like fighting people we are allies to, and I rather not fight Judgement at all this era. I do feel we as a kingdom (HnS) deserve the era win, considering we did most of the killing this era, we even have two members with above million kills, shoutout to Moff, the era's killing mvp
We have the most fights as well Thumbs up for CW for keeping a good fight Reason why we haven't killed you guys is cause half of our kingdom is back in core due to the CF that is tricky... I would like the era to end as well Quickly if people want If CW wants to fight, we can update the CF to era long CF, so that entire HnS goes at CW and see what happens... | |||||||||||||
03:09:18 Jul 21st 20 - Konspyre (Mr. Misterious): The CF was your idea. We took the brunt of the initial CW attack because of our positioning, and we fought it off, no silly late-era kill stats involved, despite you suggesting kill stats determine it all. Bigfield offered peace, we accepted, you backed out because we apparently we have halfers. Big surprise, that's how the HoH works. Stop making excuses, decide on something, and please, someone, end the era because I've been unable to do fuck all, after practically dying three times. Thanks. I'm not giving a shoutout to Moff for the amount of troops he killed. I'm giving him a shoutout for doing his best despite somehow being forced into being the main vocal point for your KD on top of what he's been doing in terms of fighting. | |||||||||||||
03:22:15 Jul 21st 20 - Ms. Jasmine: It was not my idea I do not make decisions for HnS. What excuses are you talking about? I will not make any decisions Leadership will do that. I did not say you are giving him a shoutout for kills I did that. Go to sleep ,you are talking crap. | |||||||||||||
03:23:00 Jul 21st 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Brute): ^ I agree, huge props to Moff for stepping up to carry the brunt of all this with inactive leadership on his KD’s end. I feel we are all trying to argue the same point, just in different ways. So let’s just do the thing: end the era! And please don’t mistake our relative HOH power as wanting to place second... let us place dead last. I’ve been vocalizing demo’ing all I own for over a week now, but due to the great game of telephone we’ve had going on, it’s likely been lost till I’ve made that a major talking point of mine. We all know Halfers get favored highly in HOH. Sal and I’s armies would get 100% slaughtered by any of the top armies, cause Halfers are completely useless for fighting after like day 40. If the CF went to era long, we would join you in fighting CW as was the plan all along. We just didn’t like an enemy at our rear growing with nothing to defend against it. If anyone has a problem with that... you misunderstand how war works lol | |||||||||||||
04:55:38 Jul 21st 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Faer): So I'm new, and haven't seen or experienced everything that happened this era, but I understand the original CF put in place which (correct me if I'm wrong): | |||||||||||||
05:28:31 Jul 21st 20 - Phat (Grand Moff Thrawn): @Konstant, This actually wasn't offered until about 24 ticks ago and got burried in the conversations regarding the Arma/FFA since it appeared to be the more appealing option to Judgement. If level heads prevail, it generally supported by our guys. | |||||||||||||
06:23:28 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: Part 1 of 3. Initial correspondence because ir was obvious a 3 way oop was giving weeks of farming time to CW. From the get go, the initial terms were peace until one of us was bigger than 3x CW. That never changed. | |||||||||||||
06:26:55 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: Part 2 or 3. Time had elapsed. I presumed the players farming would to at least use their armies. First agreement still stood and it is anticipated in due time the cf would end. I aimply asked id they would be OK with arma being casted so the end game run had a time and it did not drag on. This was not responded to at all. Message to Captain LiadrinWhen the time comes
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06:29:28 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: 3 of 3. After still not hearing back, I reach out and remind them thay we do bot actually have to fight. If they dont want that, we can just vote for Arma after CW is defeated. They respond that yeah, they want the era ended. No problem. I ask that rhey send their armies at CW and we can end it quicker. They make a joke. Message from Captain LiadrinNever heard back | |||||||||||||
06:31:56 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: Fast forward 10 days. This army has still been camping in our core since he CF began. People of Ashbringer Mograine
We made an agreement that had a set expiration. We offered a second agreement for a time capped 10 day fight window to keep the era from dragging on too long. Nothing About The First Changed. It Stands. You Never Responded. Sensing hesitation, we offered an out if you wanted peace and didnt want to fight At All. You said you wanted the era to end and felt the war would be lopsided. Agreeing with you, we asked that yousimply send what you have to the front lines. We even made a stupid joke emphasizing the value in throwing something at the enemy to hurry along the era since you said you didnt want to fight Us. We have kept all agreements. We offered a second to keep the era shorter. We even offered a third, peace, given that you guys would send what you have. And instead you camp on our border and have done what in the 10 days since? | |||||||||||||
06:44:22 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: We literally agreed on July 12th that you would attack CW and then we would end it. But then you made 0 moves to back that up. | |||||||||||||
10:29:23 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. The Great And Powerful: Right , I won't read the whole story here... | |||||||||||||
13:56:11 Jul 21st 20 - Konspyre (Captain Liadrin): @Bigfield, You offered us to not fight if possible, I agreed, you said you'd forward it, I didn't hear back, so I started pm'ing Moff instead :D Sal has only been camping there because, like Percy said, any currently competitive army will 100% him, and he has exped advents that have found like 3 tree science total. We never moved out on CW because we didn't want to leave our own asses unprotected before we got a confirmation about peace. We were prepared to move out as soon as that confirmation arrived, it didn't, I asked Moff for an update, he said you discussed it internally and we were going to fight. The razing everything for HoH spots was mentioned earlier than Moff mentioned, but only as one of the opinions in our KD, as part of an internal discussion, and probably got drowned out all the same. I choose either option 1 and 2, preferably 1. Willingness to raze for HoH spots is up to Sal and Percy themselves. | |||||||||||||
15:05:30 Jul 21st 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Paladin): I choose option 1, and I will remove my army from existence if need be, and it that isn’t enough, I’ll demo every city I own | |||||||||||||
16:29:25 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Bigfield: You said you guys didnt want to fight. That was your response. I said I would alert my kingdom and that we should hen proceed to end it. Ive been waiting almpst two weeka for you guys to follow through. I wouldnt have asked you to throw everything if war was imminent with us. In literally said 'end this' on the 12th. Join the fight and then we will cast arma or someonr else can. Honestly if CW or anyone casted arma at this point I think the 10 day timer would be appreciated. We may need 10 days to finish CW. | |||||||||||||
16:39:24 Jul 21st 20 - Konspyre (Captain Liadrin): You suggested two options, I told you we preferred to end it, you told me you would forward, which implies to me that it will be discussed among you internally, and we were waiting for a response to that. Clearly you meant you would tell your kingdom we'd have peace, but this is not how we interpreted it. Isn't this just a miscommunication? Lol :D | |||||||||||||
16:41:50 Jul 21st 20 - Prince Merlin The Quiet: All sorted now We’re all good Cast arma and vote yes Its a weird era this... | |||||||||||||
17:09:12 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. The Great And Powerful: aaa lost all my mages ;D lol few times I did :D wait until I gather some more | |||||||||||||
17:17:14 Jul 21st 20 - Konspyre (Captain Liadrin): Thanks for the heads up, love ya | |||||||||||||
20:03:39 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. Mantrax: I suppose it is just a miscommunication. I did in fact mean 'i will forward to let them know we agree'. Imagine the confusion and feelings of mistrust to see no armies and radio silence :P | |||||||||||||
20:57:33 Jul 21st 20 - Percy (Sir Percy The Reborn): When you say “I will forward. In the mean time...” that implies we will hear back at some point, why else for the “in the mean time”? What else would we be waiting for but a response? We didn’t wanna move out, have your guys decline it, and us be weak in the rear. I feel that little bit right there has caused this entire fiasco for both sides lol | |||||||||||||
20:58:07 Jul 21st 20 - Phat (Grand Moff Thrawn): +1 to percy point. | |||||||||||||
21:08:29 Jul 21st 20 - Mr. The Great And Powerful: 18:16:51 - Our mining science got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our magic level got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our farming science got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our medicine level got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our magic level got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our magic level got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our mining science got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our magic level got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our magic level got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our magic level got drained by magic! 18:16:51 - Our farming science got drained by magic! | |||||||||||||
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