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Sir Spud Report 6/18/2008 9:03:37 AM

So, if you were already at war with Preds and Angels...why would you bring Cannabis into it too. As far as I know, your the ones that attack Cannabis first...

wrong

Lithium...stay dense...it suits you...You went to war on us by Nap breaking, then attempted to turn Angels against us, then went to war with Angels, and now crying foul...

bling maybe you should find out what orders the vices in your kingdom are giving members. one vice (unnamed) gave crater the command to take out one of my cities, which apart from the whole arch shade affair and spud setting up some stupid blocker in our core attempting to fill with 100+k men (killing both of which was within our nap terms) that attack against me was the first attack not covered by any NAP agreements and as such it was preds who broke the nap with us.

Mr. Bling Bob Report 6/18/2008 2:41:36 PM

Bling, we already had the conversation. Where did we break our NAP? nowhere. We just followed it strictly......... Apart from 3 armouries you built in our core...yeah...u followed them..long b4 wolverine moved a scout at all We asked Angels for help because we couldn't afford for them to become your allies (you asked for their help too, hypocrit.) I got a copy of your "request" to attack us. I told Angels it was their own choice, and that I played honourably, as displayed by my handling of the JD affair, which was resolved quickly and I did as I promised. They made the choice of fighting with a player they knew from Previous era's, and kept his word, than a KD who had done nothing but threaten and abuse them verbally on the chats and in PM's. nuff said bout that. the whole arch shade affair ...that was your mess. When iPF joined us, we tolerated the "attack" for a few days, but after that, they are preds. Same with Shade. You attacked a week later...well beyond the accepted period...and continued by following him away from "your core". spud setting up some stupid blocker in our core ...we agreed on the "city swap" idea that Air put forward, and you went for the "voting"...still stuck on the counting thing I assume. then their is the lumbertown issue well documented...and the three armouries ...agin well documented...and training troops inside them...well documented...

we didnt build any arms in your core, if  you claim we did, please specify

Flcl we took, lumbertown was not in your core, what would be the third bob?

done nothing but threathen and abuse angels? bob once again you fail to understand anything, one of our players snapped on angels at a one time, if you know of any other times please enlighten me.

we attacked arch shade one week after because that is the time it took us to get trough SPQR core to reach him, as a CE member he hid there to get away from us, now please tell me how we should have done it otherwise.

You did not agree on the city swap suggestion that i made, please show the msg where you say you agree to us, and we agree too.

it was my suggestion, and it did not include you building a blocker in our core, please show the msg where i said it would.

and again, lumbertown is not in your core anymore then angels core is in your core. the only thing you had outside lumbertown was an armoury, your mining cities where well safe behind a blocker.

www.wikipedia.org/bling_bob

Bling bob; Vu language for bull*beep*, sometimes refered to retardness blended with bull*beep*

Amahabaha...and Lumbertown was built during the Nap period...why would anyone want to build it there and claim its not an armoury then call us liars cause we state it is.

whew it took me like an hour to read all these posts. you guys really were up all night

dont like it...dont read it

and there is nothing wrong with bonus turnes i mean you would have to have no life to care about the game that much as to spend money on it but its your money and if you want to spend it on a game that ends every 1000 hours fine with me

Mr. Bling Bob Report 6/18/2008 4:28:07 PM

Amahabaha...and Lumbertown was built during the Nap period...why would anyone want to build it there and claim its not an armoury then call us liars cause we state it is.

haha u edited after, show the msg where we call you liars when u said it was an armoury please.

[17:11] Sir Darkmarsbar: and we have said that you guys built lumbertown first, and i have already heard what u guys are saying about it, that its not in our land
[17:12] Mr. Air: they are uncomparable
[17:12] Mr. Air: even you have to agree to that
[17:13] Mr. Air: a wood city in the outskirts of the former FF core to a blocker in the middle of our economy

~ Combat Terms ~
3.1.1 In case of an army prepping, a warning is send. If the other fails to comply within 12 hours, it is allowed to kill the scout/army.....GUESS YOU FORGOT THAT ONE WHEN YOU ATTACKED SPROUT.

~ Magics Terms ~
4 No casting of magics on eachother....GUESS YOU FORGOT THAT ONE TOO

Well...

Everyone knows that Bling Bob is a man of his word. That is why Angels chose to be on Preds side... because they know they can trust Bling Bob's promise.... his reputation precedes him.

With Elements... well, the trust was broken... and Oxygen just confirmed our suspicions that Elements would take Angels out once they have taken Preds out. Afterall.... their reputation precedes them too.

preds are just a pawn in angels game now lol

Mr. Oxygen Report 6/18/2008 7:55:29 PM

preds are just a pawn in angels game now lol

are u saying that predators is under the control of angels ??? coz last time i checked it was under my and my vices command

and as for who broke the nap between preds and elements, i say both sides broke terms of the nap and im leaving it at that coz we will just end up going on and on and on and on about it

if not that nap u would be totaly dead ;)

warning was sent 6 hours in advance, DMB ignored my concerns in chat and thus the army got killed, had it been taken in concern things would probably ended up different...

Thats a joke cause we got the whole transcript of events saved..

TBL, bob is not a man of hes word, but i guess u havent been on the side where you notice that ;)

They were actually in a worse predicament than you...they faced full scale war with troops at their gates...I kept my word by resolving the issue...with you Air...I just got tired of constant whining and threats as did every player on the map...how about we do a quick ask around who got threatened by Air and see

bob show the transcript please :)

we warned sprout 6 hours in advance, i was talking to dmb while we took care of it, he didnt seem to care.

please, show something :)

and my whining, was with all your nap break close actions, that is what we have endured all trough this NAP from start until end.

The reason why i continued to whine, is simply that you didnt keep your word. Should we do this again bob?

now answer every question i asked you in my reply to you a few hours back, if your gonna keep puking crap out of you here, you better put some facts in, answer every question before you write something else. please

Ms. Argon [N] (6/8/2008 10:11:53 AM)  
We did not cast EITS on that city. We used a scout to look how much troops are in there.
Once again Elements show their poor maths skills and constant bull*beep* ...count the time from freeze to attack...rest my case
Mr. Plutonium [N] (6/11/2008 7:31:16 AM)  
Listen dude. You have to come to your sences or you will cause a major incident. Lumbertown is not even in comparison with Prince Blockade, lumbertown was placed OUTSIDE your blocker whereas is located so that it blocks out part of our core.
Raze the blocker down or we will be forced to take it from you. We just can't allow people pissing in our faces.

07:12:50: The progress of Burnt has been hindered by magic!
07:16:57: We received a message from Mr. Air of Elements.
11:29:26: Prince Sprout cast a spell upon us... Casting Magic Protection from Yeah Did That upon Yeah Did That with 61% chance of success...it will now be harder to cast spells on Yeah Did That for 44 days.
11:30:12: We received a message from Mr. Plutonium of Elements.
11:47:35: We received a message from Sir Darkmarsbar of Predators.
11:51:40: First Wave lead by Mr. Air attacked and took over Prince Blockade. Due to their overwhelming power our army retreated to Gornoth.
11:51:40: First Wave lead by Mr. Air attacked and took over Prince Blockade. Due to their overwhelming power our army retreated to Gornoth. We lost 0 Swordsmen, 0 Archers, 0 Knights, 0 Magicians and 0 Catapults in the battle.
12:00:54: We received a message from Sir Darkmarsbar of Predators.
12:01:01: Yeah Did That lost a battle against First Wave from Mr. Air. The army escaped to Foodtree. We lost 6265 Swordsmen, 368 Archers, 17899 Knights, 19626 Magicians, 0 Catapults and 0 peasants in the battle and 44158 of our soldiers got injured.
12:05:52: We received a message from Mr. Air of Elements.

Ms. Argon [N] (6/8/2008 10:11:53 AM)  
We did not cast EITS on that city. We used a scout to look how much troops are in there.
Once again Elements show their poor maths skills and constant bull*beep* ...count the time from freeze to attack...rest my case

and what does that have to do with anything?

Once again Elements show their poor maths skills and constant bull*beep* ...count the time from freeze to attack...rest my case...gonna have to go really stupid for this bunch....picture time

Air claims 6 hours from notice to attack.

His notification was to cast freeze at 7:12am...violation

His attack came at 11:51 - not six hours and the second breach

Water  ___/``````|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|/``````\____________ has been controlled!!!!

Mr. Bling Bob Report 6/19/2008 9:17:54 AM

Once again Elements show their poor maths skills and constant bull*beep* ...count the time from freeze to attack...rest my case...gonna have to go really stupid for this bunch....picture time Air claims 6 hours from notice to attack. His notification was to cast freeze at 7:12am...violation His attack came at 11:51 - not six hours and the second breach

nope

1: i send warning

2: plutonioum send warning

3: we freeze

4 we msg and tell him we kill the army if he dont change path

So bob bull, this is getting ridicilous, just paste the rest and show the world what a little pig you are.

There is a huge war Mr Samial ;)

Tho others find it funny to war in here as well...

did anyone mention how long it must to took elements to write this.
or did you just cut and past it

Many ancient philosophies used a set of archetypal classical "elements" to explain patterns in nature. The word "element" in this context either refers to a state of matter (e.g. solid/earth, liquid/water, gas/air, plasma/fire) or a phase of matter (as in the Chinese Five Phases), rather than the Chemical elements of modern science.

The Greek Classical Elements (Earth, Water, Air, Fire, and sometimes also "Idea") date from pre-Socratic times and persisted throughout the Middle Ages and into the Renaissance, deeply influencing European thought and culture. The Hindu and Japanese also had essentially the same five elements: the four states-of-matter, plus a fifth element to describe that which was beyond the material world (non-matter). The concept was widely disseminated in India and China, where it forms the basis of both Buddhism and Hinduism, particularly in an esoteric context.

The modern scientific states-of-matter, and, to a lesser extent, also the periodic table of the elements and the concept of combustion (fire) can be considered successors to such early models.

By contrast the Chinese had a somewhat different series of elements, namely Fire, Earth, Water, Metal and Wood, which were understood as different types of energy in a state of constant interaction and flux with one another, rather than the Western notion of different kinds of material.

Hindu, Japanese, and Greek systems

The dominant theory of classical elements, held by the Hindu, Japanese, and Greek systems of thought, is that there are five elements, namely Earth, Water, Air, Fire, and a fifth element known variously as Idea, Void "quintessence" or Aether (the term "quintessence" derives from "quint" meaning "fifth"). In Greek thought the philosopher Aristotle added aether as the quintessence, reasoning that whereas fire, earth, air, and water were earthly and corruptible, since no improvements had been perceived in the heavenly regions, the stars cannot be made out of any of the four elements but must be made of a different, unchangeable, heavenly substance.[1]. The Greek Pythagoreans used the initial letters of these five elements to name the outer angles of their pentagram.[citation needed]

The Greek names of the elements are as follows:

* Γαια, gaia earth
* ύδωρ, hydor, water
* άήρ, aer, air
* έιλή, heile, heat (fire)
* ίδέα, idea or ίερόν, hieron "a divine thing"

These five elements are sometimes associated with the five platonic solids.

The Japanese and Hindu systems use these same five classical elements but use a different name for the fifth element: void in the Japanese system and aether or akasha in the Hindu system. "Idea" is the preferred modern term, and lends itself well to the idea that algorithms, software, or other similar "cyberspace" processes be categorized as belonging to the fifth element. In other words, just as the mind belongs to Idea, even though the brain is a mixture of solid ("Earth") and liquid ("Water"), software also belongs to Idea even though the hardware it runs on, i.e. silicon chips, etc., is made from solid ("Earth") matter.[2]

The fifth Classical Element (Idea) may be further sub-divided into living and non-living. For example, the mind is an example of a living form of Idea whereas computer software is an example of non-living Idea.

Classical elements in Greece
The Greek classical elements are fire, earth, air, and water. They represent in Greek philosophy, science, and medicine the realms of the cosmos wherein all things exist and whereof all things consist. The ancient Greek word for element (stoicheion) literally meant "letter (of the alphabet)", the basic unit from which a word is formed.

Plato mentions the elements as of pre-Socratic origin, a list created by the Ionian philosopher Empedocles (ca. 450 BC). Empedocles called these the four "roots"; Plato seems to have been the first to use the term "element (stoicheion)" in reference to air, fire, earth, and water.[3]
Four Classical Elements

* Air is primarily wet and secondarily hot.
* Fire is primarily hot and secondarily dry.
* Earth is primarily dry and secondarily cold.
* Water is primarily cold and secondarily wet.

One classic diagram (right) has one square inscribed in the other, with the corners of one being the classical elements, and the corners of the other being the properties. The opposite corner is the opposite of the these properties, "hot - cold" and "dry - wet"

According to Galen, these elements were used by Hippocrates in describing the human body with an association with the four humours: yellow bile (fire), black bile (earth), blood (air), and phlegm (water).

The concept of the classical elements proved extremely persistent in Europe, lasting through the Middle Ages to the early modern era. Just as the Aristotelian dogma was related to the Greek world view, the idea of classical elements in the Middle Ages composed a large part of the medieval world view. The Roman Catholic Church supported the Aristotelian concept of aether because it supported the Christian view of earthly life as impermanent and heaven as eternal.

In Western astrology the concept of the four classical elements has survived from antiquity up until the present. The twelve signs of the zodiac are divided into the four elements: Fire signs are Aries, Leo and Sagittarius, Earth signs are Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn, Air signs are Gemini, Libra and Aquarius, and Water signs are Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces. Most modern astrologers still view the four classical elements as a critical part of interpreting the astrological chart.

In divinatory tarot, which originated in its present form in medieval Europe (though its roots may go back much further), the suits of cups, swords, wands (batons) and pentacles (coins) are said to correspond to water, air, fire, and earth respectively. These correspond in the modern deck of playing cards to hearts, spades, clubs, and diamonds.

Classical elements in Hinduism
The pancha mahabhuta, or "five great elements", of Hinduism are khsiti or bhumi (earth), ap or jala (water), agni or tejas (fire), marut or pavan (air or wind), and byom or akasha (aether). Hindus believe that God used akasha to create the other four traditional elements, and that the knowledge of all human experience is imprinted in the akashic records.

Classical elements in early Buddhism
In the Pali literature, the mahabhuta ("great elements") or catudhatu ("four elements") are earth, water, fire and air. In early Buddhism, the four elements are a basis for understanding suffering and for liberating oneself from suffering.

The Buddha"s teaching regarding the four elements is to be understood as the base of all observation of real sensations rather than as a philosophy. The four properties are cohesion (water), solidity or inertia (earth), expansion or vibration (air) and heat or calorific content (fire). He taught that all mind and matter is ultimately composed of eight types of "kalapas" of which the four elements are primary and a secondary group of four are color, smell, taste, and nutriment which are derivative from the four primaries.

The Buddha"s teaching of the four elements does predate Greek teaching of the same four elements.[citation needed] This is possibly explained by the fact that he sent out 60 arahants to the known world to spread his teaching, however it differs in the fact that the Buddha taught that the 4 elements are false and that form is in fact made up of much smaller particles which are constantly changing.[citation needed]

Thanissaro Bhikkhu (1997) renders an extract of Shakyamuni Buddha"s (Kayagata-sati Sutta MN 119) from Pali into English thus:

"Furthermore, the monk contemplates this very body -- however it stands, however it is disposed -- in terms of properties: `In this body there is the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, & the wind property." Just as a skilled butcher or his apprentice, having killed a cow, would sit at a crossroads cutting it up into pieces, the monk contemplates this very body -- however it stands, however it is disposed -- in terms of properties: `In this body there is the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, & the wind property."[4]

Classical elements in the Seven Chakras
In the philosophy of the Seven Chakras there are correspondences to the five elements as shared by both Hinduism and Buddhism as well as two other elements:

* Sabasrara (Crown): Thought/Space
* Anja (Third Eye): Light/Time
* Vishbuddha (Throat): Ether/Sound
* Anabata (Heart): Air
* Manipura (Navel): Fire
* Svadhistbana (Sacral): Water
* Muladhara (Root): Earth

Classical elements in Japan
Japanese traditions use a set of elements called the 五大 (go dai, literally "five great"). These five are earth, water, fire, wind, and void. These came from Buddhist beliefs; the classical Chinese elements (五行, go gy) are also prominent in Japanese culture, especially to the influential Neo-Confucianists during the Edo period.

* Earth represented things that were solid.
* Water represented things that were liquid.
* Fire represented things that destroyed.
* Air represented things that moved.
* Void represented things not of our everyday life.

Classical elements in Bn
In Bn or ancient Tibetan philosophy , the five elemental processes of: earth, water, fire, air and space are the essential stuff of all existent phenomena or aggregates (ref. Skandha). The elemental processes form the basis of the calendar, astrology, medicine, psychology and are the foundation of the spiritual traditions of shamanism, tantra and Dzogchen.

Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche[5] comprehensively states:

"...physical properties are assigned to the elements: earth is solidity; water is cohesion; fire is temperature; air is motion; and space is the spatial dimension that accommodates the other four active elements. In addition, the elements are correlated to different emotions, temperaments, directions, colors, tastes, body types, illnesses, thinking styles, and character. From the five elements arise the five senses and the five fields of sensual experience; the five negative emotions and the five wisdoms; and the five extensions of the body. They are the five primary pranas or vital energies. They are the constituents of every physical, sensual, mental, and spiritual phenomenon."

The names of the elements are analogous to categorised experiential sensations of the natural world. The names are symbolic and key to their inherent qualities and/or modes of action by analogy. In Bn the elemental processes are fundamental metaphors for working with external, internal and secret energetic forces. All five elemental processes in their essential purity are inherent in the mindstream and link the trikaya and are aspects of primordial energy. As Herbert V. Gnther[6] rather unfathomably states:

"Thus, bearing in mind that thought struggles incessantly against the treachery of language and that what we observe and describe is the observer himself [sic.], we may nonetheless proceed to investigate the successive phases in our becoming human beings. Throughout these phases, the experience (das Erlebnis) of ourselves as an intensity (imaged and felt as a "god", lha) setting up its own spatiality (imaged and felt as a "house" khang) is present in various intensities of illumination that occur within ourselves as a "temple." A corollary of this Erlebnis is its light character manifesting itself in various "frequencies" or colors. This is to say, since we are beings of light we display this light in a multiplicity of nuances."[7]

In the above block quote the trikaya is encoded as: dharmakaya "god"; sambhogakaya "temple" and nirmanakaya "house".

Classical elements in China
In Taoism there is a similar system of elements, which includes metal and wood, but excludes air, which is replaced with the non-element qi, which is a force or energy rather than an element. In Chinese philosophy the universe consists of heaven and earth, heaven being made of qi and earth being made of the five elements (in the Chinese view, the attributes and properties of the Wastern and Indian Air element are equivalent to that of Wood, where the element of Ether is often seen as a correspondent to Metal). The five major planets are associated with and named after the elements: Venus is gold, Jupiter is wood, Mercury is Water, Mars is Fire, and Saturn is Earth. Additionally, the Moon represents Yin, and the Sun represents Yang. Yin, Yang, and the five elements are recurring themes in the I Ching, the oldest of Chinese classical texts which describes an ancient system of cosmology and philosophy. The five elements also play an important part in Chinese astrology and the Chinese form of geomancy known as Feng shui

The doctrine of five phases describes two cycles of balance, a generating or creation (生, shēng) cycle and an overcoming or destruction (克, k) cycle of interactions between the phases.

Generating
* Wood feeds fire;
* Fire creates earth (ash);
* Earth bears metal;
* Metal collects water;
* Water nourishes wood.

Overcoming
* Wood parts earth;
* Earth absorbs water;
* Water quenches fire;
* Fire melts metal;
* Metal chops wood.

There are also two cycles of imbalance, an overacting cycle (cheng) and an insulting cycle (wu).

dude i never read it ;DDDD just

Generating
* Wood feeds fire;
* Fire creates earth (ash);
* Earth bears metal;
* Metal collects water;
* Water nourishes wood.

Overcoming
* Wood parts earth;
* Earth absorbs water;
* Water quenches fire;
* Fire melts metal;
* Metal chops wood.