Champs, all worlds

Champs, all worlds

15:01:07 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Ambrosias Arilyonis:

Lady Rhiannia

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2/3/2008 11:42:37 AM
erica...you need to be careful..."Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall"

Rhiannia you qouted the Bible. ;-)

15:03:50 Feb 3rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

fantasia was the first world created. when vu became so popular it needed 2 worlds mantrax was created and so on and so forth...it is only right that the winner of the first world created would be the over all winner as the way things are set up it is not feasible to have an era named after every world when you can only play one era at a time, so zeta had to chose which world to pick his winner from...easy pick would be the first world created. it does not make the other worlds less. as squiidy said it gets tiresome listenening to fant players demeaning the wins of mantrax players or kingdoms...it makes us want to discount u guys as nothing more than bags of wind...we know what we are and what you call us means nothing...i think you guys are simply threatened that just maybe mantrax might actually kick you vaunted number one position off its precious pedestal...so please stop taking mantrax players so lightly...give credit where credit is due...we try to...

15:04:34 Feb 3rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

yes i did...it is my favorite book :o)

15:07:12 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Oldmanschild:

Lady Rhiannia

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2/3/2008 3:03:50 PMfantasia was the first world created. when vu became so popular it needed 2 worlds mantrax was created and so on and so forth...it is only right that the winner of the first world created would be the over all winner as the way things are set up it is not feasible to have an era named after every world when you can only play one era at a time, so zeta had to chose which world to pick his winner from...easy pick would be the first world created. it does not make the other worlds less. as squiidy said it gets tiresome listenening to fant players demeaning the wins of mantrax players or kingdoms...it makes us want to discount u guys as nothing more than bags of wind...we know what we are and what you call us means nothing...i think you guys are simply threatened that just maybe mantrax might actually kick you vaunted number one position off its precious pedestal...so please stop taking mantrax players so lightly...give credit where credit is due...we try to...

lol you dont think its the best players of the game that compete for naming an era?

15:07:40 Feb 3rd 08 - Ms. Erica Incarnate:

I hated that book, it's twisted edited and defiled by humans to make it go in their favor. Some of it anyway.

15:09:04 Feb 3rd 08 - Dark Lord Finwe:

I won mantrax and trust me i count comming top 30 in fant way higher

15:09:35 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Ambrosias Arilyonis:

Rhiannia It is a favorite of mine also.

15:11:31 Feb 3rd 08 - Ms. Erica Incarnate:

Dark Lord Finwe

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2/3/2008 10:09:04 PMI won mantrax and trust me i count comming top 30 in fant way higher

Pfft... Showoff! :(

15:28:00 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Neo Destroyer of Agent Smith:

i think you guys are simply threatened that just maybe mantrax might actually kick you vaunted number one position off its precious pedestal...so please stop taking mantrax players so lightly...give credit where credit is due...we try to...

Untill some Mant KDs come to Fant and do something more than become a tag-a-long of a big KD or survive rather than dying straight away then Fant will always be considered the best.

You are saying the Fant players are just big bags of wind. Thats all i have seen from some Mant people so far. Saying how Mant people would defeat any Fant KDs that dropped down to Mant. Grow a pair and come up to Fant and test yourselves.

Kingdoms like Predators came and tried, i respect them for that. But KDs that sit in mantrax bashing new players around and getting impressed that they acheive close power % to a fant kd are the ones who deserve no credit.

Bring 3 or 4 Mant KDs up in the same era and one might acheive something.

15:43:58 Feb 3rd 08 - Sir Revenge:

Well
The truth is, Mantrax has always { As far as I know } been in the shadow of Fantasia
There is a different style between Fant and Mantrax , perhpaps only slighty, but it is there
There after theres a large difference/...
Anyway, theres a difference , I think, its experience, simple yet still
Mantrax is not newbs, hear that , its not.....

15:44:18 Feb 3rd 08 - Ms. Minge:

Lady Rhiannia

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2/3/2008 2:03:50 PMfantasia was the first world created. when vu became so popular it needed 2 worlds mantrax was created and so on and so forth...it is only right that the winner of the first world created would be the over all winner as the way things are set up it is not feasible to have an era named after every world when you can only play one era at a time, so zeta had to chose which world to pick his winner from...easy pick would be the first world created. it does not make the other worlds less. as squiidy said it gets tiresome listenening to fant players demeaning the wins of mantrax players or kingdoms...it makes us want to discount u guys as nothing more than bags of wind...we know what we are and what you call us means nothing...i think you guys are simply threatened that just maybe mantrax might actually kick you vaunted number one position off its precious pedestal...so please stop taking mantrax players so lightly...give credit where credit is due...we try to...

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What the f*ck are you on about? Stop spewing your ignorant nonsense. You're assuming a lot for a guy who hasn't played very long. There are quite a few players here, myself included, who were about at the start of the game and the creation of the new worlds, and it was nothing like you described.

Mantrax etc weren't created because the game was getting bigger. Fantasia was adequately sized to accomodate for all players, and still can be (ZeTa can continuously expand the map, as he does at he start of rounds) to make more room. The amount of players didn't change anything.

I remember distinctly why Mantrax was created. It was created as a world for the worse players, the nubs, etc, to compete on a equal level. The weaker players who needed to learn, were sent to Mantrax based on their era-end score. For a long time, Mantrax was considered (and still is, by the old Fant players) as the new-guy world when we had a 2-tier world system. Fant wasn't a veteran world like its now viewed, as vets didn't exist then. Fant was for the good players, Mant for the poor players. Then as Mantrax players learnt, they were given the option to go to Fant, and a new world was created (Zeta) for even newer players. And so on, so on.

The worlds below Fant weren't created purely with the intention of expanding the member base. The reason Mantrax was created was because the players intended for it were not good enough to survive on Fant. And as the instances of people going to Mant to kill the new players increased (The Smiths, for instance), the need for more new-player worlds to spring up increased, to lessen the chances of their destruction, and to provide more platforms for new guys to play.

So when people say Mantrax isn't as good as Fant, they're right. The fact that you find less-equipped Fant kds going to Mantrax to have an "easy era", and the fact that these KDs often dominate on Mantrax, while they would normally suffer on Fant, says a lot. In fact, I can't recall any instance of a real successful Mant kd making a transition to Fant and surviving for several eras successfully. Fact is, you need to accept the way the worlds were designed, and how they relate.

15:56:07 Feb 3rd 08 - Sir Dead Oralive:

and how many mant kingdoms get a nap when they ask for it when they do go to fant? usually none which= gang bang against them

16:00:32 Feb 3rd 08 - Ms. Minge:

I remember Preds coming to fant a couple rounds ago or so, and the nearest KD to them, DB, an existing Fant kd, gave them the NAP they sought. Preds then fought Carnage in a 1v1 iirc, and lost.

16:02:17 Feb 3rd 08 - Sir Dead Oralive:

notice i said usually and carnage vs anyone means run and hide in a corner before they get you.

What was the members numbers in each kingdom i dont remember :(

let me say this since preds left Mant has gotten better over the 2 eras or so they have been gone so when they won without a problem it was easy but now it wouldnt be as easy because their are bigger kingdoms now to fight them so they would be a little more skilled if they won and went to fant now maybe not enough to fight a Fant kingdom 1v1 yet but they would be better

Fant is the better world yes but Mant is slowly getting stronger and i really dont like people saying this world is full of nubs when its not anymore

16:48:05 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Neo Destroyer of Agent Smith:

and how many mant kingdoms get a nap when they ask for it when they do go to fant? usually none which= gang bang against them

As said before DB naped Preds 2 eras ago to give them a chance to prove themselves. They did ok for a mantrax KD.

As for your assumption that if they dont get diplomacy they get gangbanged. Its usually if they dont get any then the nearest KD kills them themselves. The difference between Mant and Fant is that a new KD doesnt need several KDs to take them down in Fant. One well structured and organised KD can take them down alone.

This era again, Preds were to our north. Legacy were eating them up, we didnt want to gang bang a weak KD. We instead took on Gauls instead in our south.

The difference between the 2 worlds is more than experience. Its tactical co-ordiantion. Its why you end up having some stalemates in areas. Because there are so many good players, whereas on Mant there is very poor co-ordination in areas <<some not all, the weak links are usually the new players and inactives. And so you can easily break your opponents there.

On Fant there are no weak links really, if there are, then it usually costs you a large part of your territory or your entire core.

16:59:32 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Sloth:

notice i said usually and carnage vs anyone means run and hide in a corner before they get you.

I think Zeon would disagree with you as they held off Carnage for the entire era.

And credit for Predators for trying again and again to survive on Fantasia. imo you have to keep trying, eventually you will find a spot on the map where you can survive.

Bring 3 or 4 Mant KDs up in the same era and one might acheive something.

Here is an interesting concept. Mantrax goes to Fantasia for massive war! Bring it on...

17:25:25 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:

Neo.....you were fighting 3 or 4 Predators members.....the rest were resting for the holidays.

17:31:53 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Neo Destroyer of Agent Smith:

actually we never fought any

17:34:41 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:

Wait your in DB right?

Then LGC only fought 3 or 4 Preds members ;D

Me, DMB, Everscape[Odysseus], and erm......whatshisname.

18:17:49 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

fant kingdoms have gone to mantrax before. Abydos went there awhile ago, about 3-4 weeks behind everyone else, out numbered etc.... who won? Abydos :) and very convincingly :P

Just to clear up here, there is a division of players who think that fant players aren't all they're cracked up to be. There are some who think that the players are nothing special and some who think the kd's are nothing special. Personally, I say that the players are nothing special (this game is as simple as checkers ffs) but that the kd's on fant completely outclass the ones on mant. Yes when a fant kd comes down they tend to kick *beep* but when an individual player comes down they fade right into the background. Certain fant players need to get their head out of their *beep* and realize they are nothing special.

18:19:37 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:

Come to my Smarty-Pants for some Smarties.

18:56:20 Feb 3rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

you know what...for those who pick out only part of my words to attack...get this straight will you...

here is my official viewpoint on this topic...fantasia is for more experience players/kingdoms...mantrax is for those with less experience...

sometimes those with less experience can surprise those with more.

so sometimes mantrax can outshine fantasia.

NOW FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CANT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH, LET ME SIMPLIFY THIS...FANTAISA MAY BE THE TOUGHER WORLD BUT IT DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN FANTAISA ALWAYS HAS BETTER PLAYERS THAN MANTRAX...

NOW...GOT THAT? GOOD QUIT PICKING THRU MY WORDS TO ATTACK ME BECAUSE U THINK I THINK FANTASIA SuX...WHICH I DONT AND I NEVER SAID I DID BTW...

19:06:38 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Sloth:

Then go to fantasia and leave mantrax to those with less experience than you.

Seriously. How many eras have you played VU?

If the answer is 3 or more, then you should not be killing new players on Mantrax.

How many dozens of new players are discouraged every era because the world that is set up for them, Mantrax, is overloaded with players who have been there for a half a year or longer?

19:20:18 Feb 3rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

mr sloth, if you are talking to me i am not talking about myself. this next era will be my 4th full era. it will be my first leading my own kingdom. i do not believe i am strong enough for fantasia. i have never boasted otherwise. in fact i stated in the very beginning that , and i quote..."when i have owned mantrax for 3 or 4 eras" then i would feel confident that my kingdom could survive on its own on fantasia...but somehow nobody listens to me...they keep thinking i am bashing fantasia with everyone else...but i am not bashing fantasia...nor am i bashing mantrax.

19:21:56 Feb 3rd 08 - Sir Kassius The Kookie Bandit:

oi no sittin on the fence! :P

19:23:21 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Might The God of Cows:

All the eras that I have played Fant I have found myself almost quiting VU [except maybe this era]

19:30:30 Feb 3rd 08 - Sir Mars:

lol

fantasia is a good world to play on and it has alot of experenced players on it and its a great place to learn how best to fight but some times it can get boring and abit slow paced

mantrax may have players who arent that good or who dont have alot of exp but this makes it alot more fast paced but it can become to easy for a good kd to dominate the world

just because a player is on mantrax doesnt mean that they arent good enought for fantasia

19:33:59 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

Sloth it's silly to say that anyone with 3 eras or more should be on fant. First of all if that were true we wouldn't need the, what 7 worlds?, we have now. Mant isn't for beginners anymore, it is for people who want a different kind of game than on fant (that is to say, for people who want to play but don't want to join one of the big name kd's). Mant is for experienced people trying to get a new kd together and training group tactics before attempting fant.

You know not everyone wants to join the established kds. Brand new players to the game will land on any server without knowing, but people with maybe one era know to stay away from fant and mant until they have a kd with good potential (for mant) or join a big name (for fant). I feel like I'm talking to old men who are still convinced Russia is evil and there are commies running around plotting against the world...the times aren't just changing guys, they have changed a while ago and you apparently didn't notice.

19:34:26 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Sloth:

From what I can see, there are 5-6 established Kingdoms going to Mantrax. Likely every other new player that starts there will be slaughtered. Whereas, if all of these established Kingdoms went to Fantasia, you could easily carve out a section for yourselves.

Sloth it's silly to say that anyone with 3 eras or more should be on fant. First of all if that were true we wouldn't need the, what 7 worlds?

Why are there 7 worlds? Is it because the 50-100 real new players, those with only 1-2 eras experience, are being slaughtered by the more experienced players who are continually restarting on Mantrax? And then they are pushed down to the even lower worlds, and these days there are even kingdoms that target these as they open. The new players are slaughtered again and again as there is no world for them to play on.

Mant is for experienced people trying to get a new kd together and training group tactics before attempting fant.

No, Mant is become a slaughter fest for kingdoms who have decided they are not up to the challenge. How are you going to get better if you are never facing better competition?

19:56:03 Feb 3rd 08 - Sir Dead Oralive:

ugh someone shoot sloth please

19:58:34 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Neo Destroyer of Agent Smith:

hes perfectly correct.

altho i do hate him so...

/me shoots sloth.

20:29:00 Feb 3rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

on the one hand...i agree with sloth in that i do not think there is anything honourable or challenging in attacking new kingdoms by sitting on them waiting for them to come oop. to me that is nothing more than being bully's and a bully is nothing more than a coward. yes i have heard all the arguing of why those kd's who do this of why they do this...and i think it is just a bunch of excuses to get easy cities. and points. there is no skill involved nor challenge involved in it. it is no better nor any different than a big bully tennager walking up to a todller and grabbing his sucker away from him and walking away laughing at how easy it was. if those kd's want a real test of skill and a real challenge and some true honour, they will wait until these kd's come oop, then begin moving their armies into position to war them. give them a fighting chance. if they fail then...at least they know they had the chance and failed...they cant cry they never got the chance to prove themselves. are you more experienced kingdoms afrid these new kingdoms may actually be a real threat to you? if so then you really ARE cowards that you cannot even allow a fair fight.it is you who deserves to be pushed to the lower worlds. it is only chance that you got started and came oop before the kd u destroyed.

20:35:28 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Oldmanschild:

"..bunch of excuses to get easy cities. and points..."

and that is exactly why points on lower worlds doesnt compare to Fant, that and many other reasons

20:46:02 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

I have very different feelings about this because my very first era was on Mantrax. That era Phi was down on Mantrax and Spoon had just started Music. Rather than being slaughtered I was inspired. I ended up joining Music....and then got slaughtered....by Phi! ;) But without seeing Phi vs Music up close and personal, I might never have got an idea how good this game could be.

I owe much to that experience and so I'd say an interchange between Fantasia and Mantrax is good for the game.

20:47:57 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

Trio, Rogue Phoenix, The Dacii, LDK, Holy and more is a small list of kd's who went to mant not to pick on new players but to get themselves organized for fant in a few eras' time. Don't feed me "No, Mant is become a slaughter fest for kingdoms who have decided they are not up to the challenge." when I know you are either conveniently forgetting about the kd's I mentioned to make your point ,or most likely, you don't know what you're talking about. I don't expect you to know what's going on in mant because you obviously distance yourself from it (which is fine), but don't then turn around and tell people, who do play there, how it is; you just have no idea.

21:11:36 Feb 3rd 08 - Sir Kassius The Kookie Bandit:

which is exactly how most of the mant arguments against fant are founded

21:14:39 Feb 3rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

this is so stupid...you fant players are so blind. you absolutely refuse to see any quality in any player unless they are from fant...WELL I HOPE SOMEONE FROM MANT BITE UR AXXES SOMEDAY AND OPEN UR EYES!

21:18:53 Feb 3rd 08 - Lord Protector Nimic:

I hope someone teaches you how to write properly some day.

21:21:27 Feb 3rd 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

why? i write

fine

tha

nkyou

lol

22:55:26 Feb 3rd 08 - Mr. Clamps The Dishonoured:

Wow this forum has really gotten to you Rhiannia; you used to hate the potty-mouth so much and us evil curs are rubbing off on you now =p

01:26:22 Feb 4th 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

i admit i said a bad word...i apologize. and yes usually the bad wears off on the good rather than the other way around...i am doing my utmost best to resist it though.

i still do hate the potty mouths. i hate even more the perveted talk. i cant enjoy the forums with the perverted talk...at least with the potty mouths i can ignore it...but the other just makes me sick to my stomache...to much to ignore.

01:28:12 Feb 4th 08 - Sir Engel Van Dood:

you need a bear hug. now wheres a bear when you need one :(

*heads off into forest looking for a bear*

01:29:05 Feb 4th 08 - Lady Rhiannia:

lol...

actually, in rl, you dont know how true that is right now...

01:29:28 Feb 4th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:

*Thinks someone is getting way too involved in a forum of people she.... uhh... they have never met ^^*

01:33:50 Feb 4th 08 - Sir Pesterd:

*go rhianna*

01:49:04 Feb 4th 08 - Mr. Twinkie:

I agree with the Fant. players. this is my 3rd era and i have heard nothing but crap towards Fant. players. yes some of them are *beep*s, but also Fant. is where most kingdoms get there respect. if u got the balls to try ur kingdoms power againts the power of Fant. kingdoms and keep at it no matter how many times u get annihalted then ur kingdom will gain respect and experience. you cant always sit there and say that Fant. kingdoms/players arent as good as Mant. players, b/c they are better they know how to cordinate their attack plans well and execute them well, thust Mant. dont really understand how to.

01:50:02 Feb 4th 08 - Sir Pesterd:

twinkie what world are you on/?

01:52:10 Feb 4th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:

Who the *beep* is Twinkie?

If you think Mant KD's can't organise attacks why not come here and find out for yourself because I guarantee that you are wrong ^^

01:54:33 Feb 4th 08 - Sir Pesterd:

Heil TRIO
but JOIN DF!!!

01:55:31 Feb 4th 08 - Mr. Twinkie:

Dude i am on Mant. i took on a bunch of Kingdoms when i first began 3 eras ago on this world.fighting along side with teamates of mine from Angels. Dude read it a little better. Fant. players know how to cordinate plans well, were Mant. players dont as well.

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