aaahhhh Joshy you know I <3 you, otherwise I would not mess with you *cough* tell the truth *cough*   :)

hehe Sable finally had enough :P

sable im so proud you came out of your corner to speak , and what a speech it was

congrats

-BL

Lol I get much amusement out of this topic and discussion.  I do not blame Uther for his kingdoms actions this era as much as I do the vices he surrounds himself with.  I have the utmost respect for Uther and he knows that.  I have served beside him and under him as a vice before.  But it seems this era the kingdom he led has not held up the honor as Uther's kingdoms have in the past.  There are other acts not mentioned here that Uther knows was not in the norm for Uther this era.  But I shall not enter into that. 

As far as BL goes, he is a very good player but does have some problems with diplomacy due to his love for war so much.  I find it amusing that Wolfgore calls BL a NAP breaker and accuses him of dishonorable actions.  That is the definition of the Pot calling the kettle black, and anyone who has dealt with Wolfgore in the past is knows what i speak of...

Yeah I agree with Shadow. None of you know Uther like I do because he is my friend in RL. He is the coolest guy to know and it pains to see people calling him dishonorable cuz he has loads of honor. Whenever I have messed up, he always tells me to learn from my mistakes and go on. Thats life and besides, for you people who are still mad about this, never dwell on the past nor on the future. Just the present. Just play the game. If someone leaves a kingdom for another. Thats life and get over it. If a smaller kingdom is getting targeted by a bigger one. Thats life and just get over it. These things will happen so we might as well forget about this.

P.S.I am sorta sleepy so if my spelling and grammer is bad, sorry.

Slade i haven't been in a kingdom with you since... ever?

:P

I will now address all the situations mentioned previously in this thread.
No i am not a diplomat and from this era on the only diplomacy this kingdom will take is between them and carefully chosen allies who we know we can trust.

I took in the "Traitors" because i saw something in their spirit. Kaze was figiting a whole kingdom because they screwed him over. I saw massive amount of determination in him and i greatly respect this.

Bkob, he might as well be a paragon. He is a influential start out player and never doesnt know what he is talking about. He always voices his opinion and always has things to back it up. Bkob left the kingdom he was in and though some fighting occurred in the end he gave up those cities and moved into the core. Such a selfless act is what really caught my attention about him.

Malimor and Stu. They were in Brethren and had their reasons to leave. In my opinion it is very crucial that the kingdom you are in is one that is very compatible with you. Malimor loves to put in his opinion and will do pretty much anything in the intrest of the kingdom. Also something that attracted me to Stu was the fact that even though he left his kingdom he kept his blockers closed from HIV and would not allow passage into his old kingdoms land from that point. He was not required to in any way still serve them and even though he did not like them so much he did this because it was the right thing to do.

Skulls: Skulls is my 2nd in command and for good reason. Every kingdom needs a skull crusher because without them you loose the spirit of war. He is my general of the 1st brigade and he does a damn good job. He is always the first to give long and detailed opinions weighing the odd and citing his opinion. Combined the 2 of us keep morale high and keep the momentum of the kingdom at a steady and never dying pace. We try to make sure that we will never have nothing to do.

Sable: He is in a sense like an adjuntant but further more the backbone to my Royal Guard. There is nothing that he doesnt see and there is nothing that he doesnt hear and weather it be the first or the latter of the two he always passes his intel up the chain of command and waits for the call to announce very detailed orders. Though he may be systematic in some of his methods every kingdom needs one of him as well. He has earned his spot through loyalty for even when he was not in my kingdoms he was always an ally and we would always share intel.

I chose all of my current vices for the variation of leadership skills. Alone we may have our faults but this is not what i look at. As a family we will prevail.


@Tyr thankyou for your kind words and i apologize for the current situation. Next era maybe we can start off with terms so this doesnt happen again.

@Millman. The main reason for this war isn't that city. We could have actually cared less. We used that instance as a tool to finish what we moved into the south of Zeta for and that was to secure our holdings. With your leader gone and his 2nd in command hesitant to make alliance we had the choice to wait until Karac came back. He did not by the expected time so we took action to secure our lands. It has picked up momentum and has turned into a full fledged war. We were allies but we are now warring. Lets take this opportunity to gauge eachothers potential and make our opinions. This kingdom as a whole holds much respect to BoW and knows you to be a good ally. Though we though it would have also been a good thing to see if you are also a formiddable opponent. I would think you would know best about how hard it is to judge someones calibur when you are holding the hilt with them. To fully know you all i feel it is a requirement to place ourselves at the tip of your sword.

I hope no offense is taken here but player to player ratio wise it is a fair battle. We currently only have 6 or 7 of our men on the Mantrax front.

@Comment on Burning Legion Issue
I know it was a quick and brash decision i made to boot and execute Burning Legion. He was a vice and he has been one under me many times. I have known him since i started playing the game. Though i did it because as you guys all know the most prominent thing abotu Burning Legion is his ability shit all awry if he wants to. He wantd war with someone who we are legally binded to. In the first occurence i offered a small price to be paid to keep our terms with HiV good. After this there was flaming that took place between the two offensive members from each kingdom and BL let his temper get ahold of him and wanted to rock the boat. He did after i told him to forget it and relax, and that is where he crossed the line. Though after the tussle he went back to what he was supposed to be doing i felt it would hurt everything more to show that we tolerated that kind of action (wheter the action was temporary or not). I took a zero tolerance policy on NAP violations and from this point forward i give the warning. If you join the Federation thinking that betrayal is ok and you pull it. You will simply be booted and killed.

It pains me that the first person to do it was a close friend and he recieved no warning what so ever on what was to occur but it is what had to be done. Though our kingdom does say traitor welcome that is for the sole purpose of mockery to the accusations from BF and next era we will more then likely take it out. We just thought it was funny.

I would still like to think of BL as my friend but i doubt he does to me (obviously, look at his banner :P).

I just wish i could say it wasn't personal but by all means there really isnt a way that such a situation could not be personal.
Just know from this point on there is no tolerance to any kind of action. There will be movements to make peace and negotiate a way out of the problem but it it occurs again (this will signal it happened on purpose) then the member will not be in Feds any longer.

This is incredibly long winded and i am sorry for it but there is still much more here to address.

Its difficult finding a kd you can stay long term with. Especially the large ones, there is always so much inbred fighting its dull. Id much rather stay with smaller kds though like i said before, I have yet to see Uther do anything negative towards his kd. He does whats in best interest for his subjects. The fact is the people doesnt serve the king, the king serves the people.

I also agree, it is hard to find a kingdom to stay long terms with. Thats why ever since my first era i've jumped a lot.
DrugLords (Era 28 or 29, i cant remember)
Black Chain (I was but a vice)
AoA (for one era somewhere in the hectic mix of the Black Chain craziness)
PF (mine)
(some 2 person kingdom with PJ that i forgot the name of)
(Another 2 person with survivor)
KBW(mine)
KoC(I created it)
KBW(again)
Feds (WOOT)

I plan to make this a kingdom of perminence and security. I have had tons of trial time and all that time is up. Its time to make it happen.

Also Kev i agree with you. Im not good at the Politics. The most i do is obtain relations and talk plans. I'm just going to do my job and thats ensure security within the confines of my kingdom.

Hey i realized it when i made KBW the first time. :P

so it was more like 9 eras i think maybe 10

AntiFederation

Name: AntiFederation
Members: 3
Created: 1/31/2010 11:30:02 PM
Leader: Sir Burninglegion

Information

The Anti Federation stands for everything the Federation does not, Equality , Honor, Respect

Accepting all types of players, please do not send an application if you intend on being inactive.

Application details*
-Prefered race
-First name or nickname
-Experiance
-Kingdoms you have been with in the past
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We the anti federation will acheive peace and justice through any means available. May the God of war give no mercy to our enemys

Leaders

• Sir Burninglegion
• Mr. Kronos

JOIN THE ANTI FEDERATION <3

... and yes i did upload the same wrong sized flag after i aked admin to delete it... :'(

Lol arthur i totally agree=]

-BL

Uther, don't try to make us look bad - Gladiators really don't compete Federation in recruitment - we only accept people with honor. So please keep aside from posting counter-advertisement in our recruitment forum.

If you doubt our fighting ability - don't worry, you may have the chance to feel our sharp swords on you skins in the eras to come.

I am literally sick of all the criticism and i am dropping the diplomacy and picking up my club because its time to crush some skulls.

Jocks????????

@Burning Legion you will just agree to anything that has a negative impact on The Federation, You might want to rename yourself (Flamming Legion) or maybe (Flamming NapBreaker) well something along those lines. 

oooo i like this malimor.... i like to hear the opposition especially when someone with a horrible record of lying and backstabbing says it

1) I have never and do not flame

2) My main army was 86k Orgers and 2500 nazgul(no mu's)

3) Master Windu was exactely 10 ticks infront of me with his force that was killed by Relentless, i had 0 cause for him dying

4) I hadnt touched production since day idk 14 into the era

5) I fought untold legends alone for a week, mr.snow and everyone in that kingdom would agree to that... a great war we had

6) Everyone of my armys except for the 86k orgers were 100% pure nazgul, i focused on quick across the map during night attacks of 1500-2000 nazgul each, my military is lv 10 and has worked great.

malimor you hurt my feelings after im the one who let you join federation and only a knife in the back i get in return :'(

haha

-BL

I have to agree with BL on the Windu thing

I gave orders to head that way, we miscalculated the odds we were against and it fell through.

I can agree with the nazgul statement as well. He did have an ass ton of Nazguls.

I just dont like all the bickering anymore. Shut up or all your bases belong to us (us=me in this situation)

You (1/27/2010 2:51:42 PM)
we both must aquire armorys and have a rebound place incase our armys get defeated , lets find one soon for the both of us
Master Windu (1/27/2010 2:54:31 PM)
Okay then. We could use relentless's cities here as armories. Shadowlands and Eastside are big enough

Lol windu , now whos the one not telling the truth? who told who to attack relentless

Okay sure enough u told me to get armories but I should have never listened to you in the first place. So what if I said what I said. It does not matter. I would have attacked them anyways as we are warring them now but it was the timing. I did not see any of their cities taken before I attacked so I was unsure of what to do. You told me something so I just jumped for it. Oh and if you look at the message it say COULD. I did not say We can i said we could. Oh and you did not finish the message.

You (1/27/2010 1:47:36 PM)
I got both of them. Kal Tharian and Kal Katarn. Relentless is south of those cities.
Sir Burninglegion (1/27/2010 1:49:11 PM)
lets take them out asap then head for BoW
Sir Burninglegion (1/27/2010 1:51:42 PM)
we both must aquire armorys and have a rebound place incase our armys get defeated , lets find one soon for the both of us
You (1/27/2010 1:54:31 PM)
Okay then. We could use relentless's cities here as armories. Shadowlands and Eastside are big enough.

Actually we arent warring Relent

just some info, i thought i got that across to everyone

rofls

also
@ Glad

Just because you say you arent feeding doesnt me it true. Technically you are feeding. Also you would have to be retarded to not take an advantage when it looks you in the eye. Good leaders take action when action helps. Not when the action does nothing nor do they sit aside when something can be done. I have told all of my kingdom members that unless i say so all kdless in or around our borders are threats. Same goes with kingdoms that have no relations with us.

You are the one who is trying to preach to me for if you would have never stuck your nose into another leaders business then it would have never come to this.

Also just to add to what i said it technicaly stops being your business when that person is not in your kingdom anymore. That is unless he is attacking you or you are feeding off of him and he wasn't attacking you. Regardless of how you look at it it always comes back to the same place Glad

@Gladiatorul, "If you have friends in our KDs and you know they like your jocks, pls send them directly and not via our recruitment forum"

You should read what you're telling us yourself, stop trying to bring dishonor to our KD by talking trash in OUR Recruitment forum.

@Gladiatorul, "One more thing I want to tell you, we are playing this game without trying to get easy dishonorable gains ( feeding is one of them)."

I won't say names, but if I remember correctly.. one of YOUR members/vices (again i won't say names) said it themselves that a 'certain' player was quitting VU and decided to instead of doing so, was gonna let you all 'share' his cities.. Now I won't say I know it all, but that sounds like feeding to me.

Now stop trying to insult this great KD before you tick me off, kay?

-Kaze

The cream of FC has joined BOW, lets see if that evens things up a bit..

Gladiatorul, you're the one that needs to wake up, you just proved yourself to be a hypocrit, let me re-post what i said so you can understand it in very simple words...

Mr. Gladiatorul

21:03:10 Feb 4th 10

"One more thing I want to tell you, we are playing this game without trying to get easy dishonorable gains ( feeding is one of them)."

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Mr. Gladiatorul

02:39:12 Feb 5th 10

Kaze, wake up, it is not a secret a Gladiator decided to leave our KD; this is what I said early on - and indeed we decided to share his towns and your people interfered - this is why we having all of this discussion...

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Yeah... nice hypocritical joke...

Re-read and pat yourself on the back, you obviously tried.

Now please don't waste my time trying to insult me or The Federation as you will surely lose this argument. Thank you, goodbye.

Im not sure if Gladiatorul gets the concept but I don't think explaining it will help further you show him a banana and he calls it an apple.

Guy I am not surprised you all think the same - that's why I said earlier we are not in the competition with Federation regarding recruitment.

I think everyone reading these forums got my point and Uther's point - no reason for all your KD to repeat the same think again and again.

This was a good discussion and we all know now what are the hidden issues when NAPing each other.