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And as to the scouts, how about mentioning there were two 50Ks prepping on two different towns of mine before I sent those out. Forgot about those? Oh yeah, that would make a difference, so lets try to tarnish anothers name, look at yourself before you cast the stone *beep*.

When we rejoined the game, you were concerned that BoW were going to be a threat.  They were not interested at all in talking peace after whatever went on last era.

G and I both offered to try and talk them round in order to relieve a threat to PKS.  Grim (your leader, remember?) asked Galadriel to negotiate peace and - specifically - to offer them a NAP on our standard terms.  The only reason BOW were even prepared to consider the offer was because it came from Galadriel, with my backing that it was genuine.

Meanwhile, without posting anything on forum and without telling me or Galadriel, who were negotiating peace, you were also arranging to hand over a blocker to Carnage so that they could still have access to attack if we got a NAP with BoW.  That plan was never mentioned to me or Galadriel until after she had sent the NAP terms, in good faith, on Grim's authority.

So, you used our good name as people BoW would trust in order to stop or remove a threat from them while at the same time arranging to get round the "no access" clause if Carnage wanted to kill them.  That's obviously a clause that you like to twist however it suits you at the time, perhaps you should try being honest and simply remove it from your standard agreement ;-)

I would add that Carnage are blameless in that - it's natural for them to want to get to their allies - but deliberately offering a NAP which you knew you could only get through our good name, while secretly planning a way to get round one of its terms was an enormous abuse of our good name and a terrible stain on your reputation.

It was a tactic that NT at their worst would have been proud of.

Read the post above about how to get round NAP terms and make your own mind up, Mr G ;-)

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/06/adem/pictures/absolut/images/absolut%20bull*beep*.jpg

Mr. Tiddlywinks

11/25/2007 12:20:29 AMWell Donut, the talks to give Carnage that blocker were in before telling you to do the NAP.


That is exactly my point, Mr T.  You made it so much clearer than I did and I thank you for that.

The talks about giving Carnage were in before you asked Galadriel and me to use our good names make a NAP, but you didn't tell us that such talks were happening. 

We've played over two rl years with no-one doubting our word, and you feel entitled to put our word and honour on the line, in a very dodgy deal, without telling us. 

Do you understand yet why we feel pissed about it?

explain as much as you want, I don't care.

Next time better close your core with your own blockers and keep it yourself.

Then you don't have to kill NAPD players armies (bows, two of them were mine, who are taking this blocker and are returning the sneak attack to those who come through first (carnage) for defending your allies (carnage)....

Just make it next time better and everything is fine...

*make myself a new entry on the list of useless negotiatons with Pks*

Oh I forget to mention, next time NAP our enemies pls ;)

After talking with KD members we have come to the following conclusion.
---
Well we waited 8 real life days for a response to the NAP...but no
response. We waited 8 hours for the BoW armies to move off of the city
that was ours and no response. So they got moved. Get over it! We took
the wall back to resolve the problem. Get over it! YOU(D) should've never
been made a Vice. YOU(D) should've been just another member and not given
any power what-so-ever. In my short time being on here this was the
first time we EVER had a problem in PKS until now and that problem
revolves around YOU(D)!
--

On a side note, does the D stand for Douche?

Tiddly, how long have you been around? A few days? Must be with your dumb responses. D may have caused problems because he tried to bring PKS name back to what it once was, honorable. Not the friggin lapdogs of carnage ( no offence carnage, still think you guys rock), nor the scavengers you were last era when carnage did all the work and you picked off the scraps. D may have caused problems, but they were for the better of the kingdom, so that way you could be a self sufficient kd once more as you obviously arent now. Hide behind your blockers, wait for Carnage to break thru, then slingshot into undefended cores.... weak. Get heat from a larger kd, and bend, then break, sc*ewing over two of your most loyal members in a single stroke, along with one of your most unwavering allies.

D for Douche? No, D for Dauntless!!

To anyone to still cares:
Tiddlywinks and I have been in PKS for over a year now.  The whole time that I have been in VU I have been under PKS.  The miss communication that may have happened was due to one simple fact.  There Era we had more members that we usually have, and over 1/2 of the members play in our spare time at work-AT THE SAME JOB!!!.  So forgive us if we think that the word had been spread because we forget that some people are <flame> from the UK and love to play freakin Myst URU.  Can't they find another game anyway what is up with that?  </flame>  I dont even know why we are still arguing about this.  What is done is done.  No more of this thou art more holyer the I art crap.  I mean it is pointless.  "My KD is more Honorable then yours is"  If we still want to have this discussion then what we need to do is go to gametap.com and download Lego Racers then we can open our forums up so that everyone and there mother can see them (because we're more honorable) and have a flame war while we are waiting for the next Lego level to load.
I am done with this bicker if you need drama watch Jerry Springer.

My be it stands for something else sir Ooh you know like Uromastyx-Like the lizard.  Next Era I will spell it out for everyone.  As for discussing issues in the office we are not the first ones to do so (Legacy I know for a fact.)  Just let this issues lay, what is done is done.  We understand that in your eyes we are satanic.  If anyone other than BoW ,and who ever that queer is that keeps calling us *beep*, thinks that we are evil then say so like I said earlier, WE KNOW!!  You think we are evil other then your KD and BoW there aren't many that feel the same way.
Still dont know why we are still talking about this.

Indeed we don't........

I have stood by and listened while others have deafened PKS and I guess it's time to set the record straight. I've spent the last two days sifting through messages and forum posts to gather this info into the correct timeline.

I also have been with PKS for almost 2 year now. Yes, when Donut & Lady G rejoined the game we were talking about the possibility of BoW attacking us. Negus himself posted first about it and we were moving troops in preparation.

As far as me asking Galadriel -specifically- to ask for a NAP this is not true. This is part of the conversation between Lady G & myself about BoW which she initiated and asked about an informal NAP.

Talk with Drakos and we can present it in the forum. We've been trying to give everyone a say in kingdom policies and even voting if it is mixed feelings.

Grim
Ms. Galadriel [TH*beep*)     GOOD     BAD
Any agreement made with Drakos could only be between us and him, peace between us would be on my word that we (PKS) will not attack, and his word that BoW would not attack, for many eras that is how peace was kept between our kingdoms.

If we move east with the agreement of a neutral stance i don't see a problem, if Carnage attack them or they attack Carnage it will not part of the agreement between PKS and BoW. An agreement with BoW for a neutral agreement will leave PKS free to pass through their territory to attack Legacy and Phi, if Carnage wanted the same i think they would they would need to broach it with Drakos.

If this is type o*beep*reement is ok with you i will open discussion with him but also mention to him that i will have to open it up for kingdom discussion, which is also the way BoW works

Galadriel
You (10/28/2007 10:51:58 AM)
That would be fine with me and you can post our conversation in the forum so everyone knows my stance on the matter.

Grim

We were discussing BoW attacking Ignorentia after he joined PKS then on 10/30 Lady G went directly to offering a NAP before any discussion in the forum. During this time BoW had taken the blocker into our area from Carnage and then proceeded to begin moving troops through our area to attack Carnage.

Remember at this time we had a formal agreement with Carnage and had been working with them the past couple of era.

We warned BoW on 11/8 that we would not allow them to move troops through our area to attack Carnage. At this time BoW had still not agreed to a NAP. Quietone messaged me that BoW was attacking them on the same day. BoW kept sending armies through our area and when we removed the troops by force on 11/10 Lady G and Karac left PKS. Why BoW thought it would be OK to cross our area to attack one of our allies is beyond me. We at no time gave them that impression.

Donut made a nap with their new KD (THSP) on 11/11 which most of PKS agreed to.  On 11/14 Donut left for THSP due to Carnage attacking them. On the same day Carnage agreed not to attack them "on our word" that they would not cause Carnage any trouble.

THSP began trying to help BoW against DB after Donut managed to get troops through one of our northern blockers when it was opened for Carnage. He knew if he asked for the gate to be opened to allow him out we would also have to allow DB in. The way I read the NAP terms is also that if his army managed to get through our blocker into DB area we must allow them passage also. He didn't agree and said we were just "sucking up" to the larger kingdoms.

During this time Donut was also casting magic at DB from behind the protection of our blockers. Then he walled across the river to try to build up troops to fight more. When Drenthiniovic did the same Donut messaged me saying DB was jumping into our core to get around the blockers. Of course he said nothing about what he had been doing. I asked him to hold on until I found out from Quietone what was happening. Donut moved scouts to the wall & the city Drenthiniovic had dropped while still casting freeze on them.

I had messaged both this while I was trying to get to the bottom of what was happening in our core.

If THSP attacks Booh I will have no choice but to open our gates so you can defend it. If Drenthiniovic attacks the gates will stay closed.

Donut proceeded to goad Drenthiniovi*beep*il he attacked Donut's scout that had been camping on his city so Donut felt this gave him the go ahead to burn the city.

During most of this time PKS endured little jabs and prods (mostly from Donut) about our honor and being  *beep*lickers of Carnage & DB. Donut even we so low as to use his friendship with one of our longstanding members to pull information as to what we were talking about so he could pass it on "out of context" to our allies to make us look bad.

With this kind of treatment to our KD and trying to turn our allies against us, I posted a poll to end the NAP with THSP. Four of our members voted no to end the NAP. One of the no votes was only because he felt that THSP wasn't worth ending our record of never ending a NAP. One of the other no votes was from Donuts "friend" (my son-in-law who didn't get the whole story) wanted to change his vote. THSP wanted to make this look like we were giving into pressure by DB to end the NAP. This was not the case by any means.

I have counted Donut & Lady Galadriel as more than just friends on VU for so very long and it saddens me to think that relationship is now gone. But, I stand by my actions and that of my kingdom. We have done nothing wrong.

We are proud of Peacekeeper and have nothing to hide. I do apologize that some of our members allowed their selves to be pushed into name calling and arguing in the forum. But, they are proud to be a Peacekeeper and could not stand by while our name was being degraded.

I have set up a group on the PKS forum that I'm glad to add any Viceroy or King from any of the involved kingdoms that wants to read through our forum to see how PKS is run.

http://peacekeepers.freeforums.org/index.php

Despite differences to date, I have to agree with Mr Tinkywinky here, that is a great post Sir Grim - the news team at Fox would be proud of the editing!

Won't give a full answer just now, it's 6:40 AM and have a lot to do this morning (Brutus and Hagar know that's not just a cop-out) but I'll get back to you soon ;-)

As a slight aside from the festivities, for those of you who knew about it (and cared), Lady G is back home, safe, and in only moderate pain.  The good news is that means she's not in a temper, the bad news is that the post-op morphine may make her armies wobble a bit.  If they happen to crash into one of your towns and wreck it, it's really not her fault :P

Normal flames will continue after some sleep ;-)

Good news! I was concerned about it being her writing hand, i mean, how else was she going to be able to write such great posts? Have D do it?

I do feel for you D, a woman on morphine can be a good thing or it can be a very ugly and bad bad bad thing.

Donut, the messages written by Grim were written in November. According to those messages, he contacted G before the blocker was handed over by Artimeus. Also as implied in his message, "I cant really tell Carnage no at this time", agreements were almost signed before the BOW talks took place.

• PKS started talking to Carnage about blocker, deal basically signed
  
• PKS then contacted BOW
• PKS can't go back on word to Carnage and is unable to get into relations with BOW
• Carnage occupies blocker as agreed, relations with BOW fall apart
  

I think we're all clear on what the problem is and was and thankfully Grim has gotten rid of it =)

As Lord Guderian has said it seems very obvious that PKS had talks of giving the blocker to Carnage before the NAP talks and it was just never finalized untill after the talks went through.

You missed my point with November Donut. My point was that Grim contacted Carnage before the deal with BOW was even in talks. Then as he does not wish to fight BOW, he asks G and yourself to contact them regarding the NAP. Meanwhile talks between Artimeus and Carnage continued regarding the blocker. Now on October the 31st Grim finds out regarding the continued talks. Maybe he is at work or forgets about it. The following day he contacts G then later Carnage took the blocker.

If we move east with the agreement of a neutral stance i don't see a problem, if Carnage attack them or they attack Carnage it will not part of the agreement between PKS and BoW. An agreement with BoW for a neutral agreement will leave PKS free to pass through their territory to attack Legacy and Phi, if Carnage wanted the same i think they would they would need to broach it with Drakos.

If this is type o*beep*reement is ok with you i will open discussion with him but also mention to him that i will have to open it up for kingdom discussion, which is also the way BoW works

Galadriel



Sir Grim Darkhammer [PKS] (10/28/2007 4:51:58 PM) GOOD BAD

That would be fine with me and you can post our conversation in the forum so everyone knows my stance on the matter.

Grim

And then we from Bow get attacked by  Pks when we tried to move to Carnage through Pks terretorry....
Oh I forget the 8h warning rofl (not every1 has time to spent every 5h on the pc dude)....

I think most of the ones posting here, fail to see the point.
IF Lady G KNEW that there were talks in progress with Carnage, she would never have tried to get a deal with BOW in the first place.
And it has been pointed out several times, that the talks with carnage had startet long before the ones with BOW. Now doesn't that mean that they DID NOT inform Lady G? even tho they had been talking with carnage for several days.

Lord G,

Not too sure why you're now the official PKS defender, but.....

Whatever the reasons for it happening, without a clear and public statement from the top of PKS that it was a fcuk up by them, not by Galadriel, there is no way that BoW should just believe her saying "I didn't know".  Even after admitting it had been handled badly on forum, no-one offered to set the record straight to protect her name.

As for communication, handing a town over to a NAPd KD is a pretty important thing for all members to know about, so they know there isn't a NAP break going on.  I know you've been there, because you were a member, but for those reading who didn't realise, PKS had a full forum site, with nice clearly labelled sections, for little details like this to be mentioned on.  I know about it because I bought the webspace and domain to run it from (including renewing it at the start of Nov), and set it up for them.

Galadriel used it to announce the NAP terms - surely an existing Viceroy should have seen that post and thought "Oh, that blocker I'm working on might make a difference there".   So, did they not think, or did they think and then think "stuff it, it's her word on the line, not mine"?  I know which my money's on ;-)

Also, "prior to 26th deal is almost signed" is pure speculation - the only evidence we've ever been shown is Grim's message that it was agreed on the 31st.  Surely if it was "almost signed" way before that someone involved would have explained that to us and shown us the evidence by now?

Mind you, given their comlete incompetence in clearing us out (3 members inside an area that I even told them how to defend after the fcuk up with another army earlier in the era) and their need to call DB in to help* perhaps it was just total incompetence.  Either way, it shows that PKS is nothing like the KD it once was ;-)


*  See Mr Shyer's Lollipop Kids that came through one of their blockers, killed one of my armies that was frozen, then left the way it came
 and the towns that DB have come in to take off us and are now letting PKS take from them.  Surely a 23 member KD at 1900% of our strength should be able to take them directly?  I didn't believe it when I returned and people were accusing PKS of riding the shirt-tails of their big friends, but seems they were right after all  ;-)

I did not bring up her personal life she brought it up i only posted what they sent to me and tried to show that i was trying to talk reason with them and they would not listen. It had nothing to do with their personal life but she kept putting that into the messages she sent like i was attacking her personal life and i was not.

Hagar, you're making as many excuses as we'd expect from a member of PKS.  What she told you was in confidence, to explain why she hadn't been talking (typing) much to you.  Posting those bits on here was out of order, and would only have taken a little edit of the messages to avoid.

Sir S, any chance of removing the last few posts again and locking this thread?  Otherwise I might be a little more forthright in my comments.

Please don't lock this yet Scientist. I wish to finish this discussion and get everyone happy again.