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The intention wasn't to gang up on the little kingdoms. The logical fallacy here seems to be that the top kingdoms get their kicks, or fun from beating up kingdoms who cannot put up a fight. That isn't the case. We like a challenge as much as the next kingdom, last era was a challenge and it was the mo*beep*n era we have had in some time, even though we were badly outgunned and outmanned by 5+ other kingdoms at once.

The only difference between this era and last era though is those who are on the receiving end of the alliance. Last era, Abydos, BACCUS etc had little qualm with aligning the top 5 kingdoms of*beep*ainst a lone LGC, fighting across the entire stretch of the map.. Furthermore, LGC made several attempts to even the odds at the time, by having some kingdoms back down to make the fight even, but because those kingdoms did not care about "gangbanging" LGC then, they all refused. So surely you would expect if they were to receive the same maltreatment, they would suck it up, take it on the chin and not complain? Oh, boy were you wrong.

So here comes this era. LGC inadvertently returns the favour, and by large, most (a few have the intelligence, or perhaps humility not to) of those kingdoms who gangbanged LGC last era, come here crying to the almighty. Having forgotten the position they put LGC in this era, and how the odds were far worse for LGC then than it is for them now, they moan and groan. Of course LGC could still have won the era without overloading with allies, everybody knows that (despite some wanting not to admit it) but hopefully it served as a lesson to those pulled this stunt last era: a taste of their own medicine. You reap what you sow.

That said, we genuinely didn't expect it to be such an easy win. Yes, we were anticipating a win (we do most eras), but no, not such an easy win. BACCUS had bragged a lot last era after their "success", so we expected a much tougher fight from them. Abydos always is a challenge, or we hoped. Then you throw in IE, Zeon, BoW and other kingdoms, who are respected in their own right.

On our end, we had a weakened Legacy. We were down to 17 players (now 16), our allies were DB, who were practically all new to one another with it being a newly formed kingdom of an assortment of players, and as such we weren't expecting all that much from them, but they proved more a success than could have been anticipated. Then there was Mirror, again a kingdom reforming and growing, a kingdom who we like as allies, and more importantly friends. Carnage then came to us about wanting to smash BACCUS before the round started, and so we agreed, and then finally we approached PHI, knowing they were good guys.

We knew some of our allies wouldn't ally each other, so we knew they would fight, meaning our "alliance" wasn't tight with us against all else, and there would be conflict amongst us. What we didn't anticipate was our foes being taken out before that would happen. BACCUS fell quickly and easily, which we didn't expect, and Abydos soon after. Only then did our allies reach one another on the map to fight.

In hindsight, perhaps we did give our enemies too much respect. Is that neccessarily a bad thing, that we respected our enemies prowess? To even suggest we like an easy fight is silly, we are a warring kingdom -- the best in VU. We want a challenge, we tried out new alliances, we tried out a new idea of having a seperate kingdom, we thought we would be weakened sufficiently by it and we anticipated a stronger enemy, with our allies fighting amongst each other before anybody else. We were wrong. We'll learn from it.

im not done yet iv barley had any action my army was beaten right before we invaded abydos so i had no fun in that i want blood and revenge *makes evil grin and rubs hands together* =D

not whine, wine isteat :)

Lot's of Baccus wine for all here, itis free, my brewery is running again and my wine-sellers are running arround (some almost naked ;) ) again.
Oh and those who dislike wine, I still have good old german beer here :)).

So take a break from this flamewars and chill a round, as long as my brewery exists and forget the world outside,(I fear some lgc anto-wine-fundametalists are allready on their way to close my brewery...... :))) )

cheers

For once swifty you told it like it was, for the most part....hopefully though you didn't direct the "but no they winge and whine about it" at us, i haven't cared that we lost (yes it was a little easy, but we have had internal issues) and we have been fighting 5+ since OOP and it doesn't matter who you are, at that stage in the game its tough against that many enemies, troop numbers are all pretty much the same.... The only problem i've had with LGC this era isn't the fact they gangbanged us in some alliance, frankly i don't care, it's quite flattering you would put that much effort into it.... but what i am pieved at is that last era i remember being flamed and moaned at for doing this exact thing by LGC members, so it just seems a tad hypocritical to say some of those things. But it was fun, it rekindled some old flames that i've lost recently....gave me a need to stick around :) Gratz LGC on your win and bring on next era

damn, beer allready taken...

"Gustav, Harrald, Edgar, Björn........ stop making wine, we need more beer, QUICKLY"

*to himself* let's look arround who is the drunken bastard who drunk all the beer alone :)

@messiah:

Oya don't flatter yourself. There was no anti abydos alliance. we would've preferred if Phi hadn't attacked you - would've been more plunders for us. You were pitiful, couldn't even hold a blocker with 25 members.

Messiah, excuse me, but who the feck are you? Do you even play on fantasia?

Messiah did, but had a nice eviction notice against him. ;-)

I have played on Fantasia on and off since beta 2:6. But thats not the point, my points are in my last post.

augh or love take your pick

and will you please for christs sake stop saying reap what you soe?

we WERE NOT allied to Carnage Baccus or Only u last era (ive put it in bold because you dont seem to understand it)

we declared war on you and were warring you for a whole week before anyone else did

Your kd (lgc) and its diplomats personally insulted me for that whole week.

your kd (lgc) then decided they wanted to nap us so you could beat baccus.

Why would any sane man accept a nap from someone who has insulted him for a full week. ??

Mr. Jetleeomg Report 5/31/2007 7:30:50 PM

Oya don't flatter yourself. There was no anti abydos alliance. we would've preferred if Phi hadn't attacked you - would've been more plunders for us. You were pitiful, couldn't even hold a blocker with 25 members. Messiah, excuse me, but who the feck are you? Do you even play on fantasia?

Dear Mr. Jetleeomg, I will not criticise Legacy on public forums (as it would only mean my diplomatical suicide with all of you so strong, coherent and with an incredible way of "divide et impera" and making it look like you are such good guys with spotless behaviours) but I must say that you are really living in a dream world.

It is only Abydos who can really fill us in on the truth here but from my knowledge, almost every HoH army they had (except 1 or such) was thrown at us and at our blockers. It seemed to me and if I am mistaken, please correct me Oya or Osiris and apologise my lack of humbleness, that when you were making your final approach towards them, they decided to try to take us down with them (no matter the costs), neglecting their northern border where you were expecting restless and hungry.

We managed to hold and then arrived a little later in their core due to other forces still delaying us. I'd say we did the hard work and again, I'm expecting Osiris's or Oya's voice to tell me if I'm mistaken. I apologise if I sound c0cky or arrogant as I realise that my view might be distorted. The outcome of what happened during the town grabbing phase is clear and if you don't know what I'm talking about, ask your vices. (No need to remind me again that this is the way things go, thank you.) This is why I'm confused, what more plunders would you have expected?

Anyway, Messiah did make a good point and if you'd be less arrogant Jet, you wouldn't jump at his neck like you did.. Hell, I've seen playing and he did quite a good job, I'd always have a place for him in Phi, not to mention his experience... Nonetheless, I've hardly seen you, even in eras when we were fighting and I could say (if I'd be following your example) that you are nothing except a guy who brags over creating #VU.

That's all, hope you don't take it as an offense, just a little bit of criticism and me showing my view on things. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised of at least 3 Legacy flames towards me in the next few hours. Hopefully not though XD

:) 'bar a few members'! hehe oh Oya you mean me!! thank you for the recognition :P

Translation of what durza said  :

There is, however one thing I'd like to point out. Yes,you may NAP or ally other kingdoms. But they are never medium sized or small kingdoms. It's always kingdoms like Carnage or PHI. Who aren't what you can exactly calll small kingdoms. Maybe it's time that you start playing fair. And another thing, You exploited a bug which is *beep*ing unfair.

And my response to this : What would LGC win allying small kingdoms?Just less people to kill.

Oh, we NAP and take fledgling kingdoms under wing all the time. Wasn't Mirror only reformed last era (or the era before? Sometime recently anyhow) and very small? We took them in while kingdoms such as BACCUS beat down on them.

Or even the Midnight Sun kingdom, last era. They very incredibly new, too. Once again, we NAPed them and gave them safe haven against all the other kingdoms.

In fact, I'm willing to bet that LGC has taught more new players and small kingdoms than any other kingdom in VU. There goes your "LGC is out to kill the small people!" hypothesis.

Problem is, we can't be everybodys best friend. We can't NAP every small kd you want, nor every medium, or large. We try do what we do in moderation, as I said in my last message. Sometimes its successful, othertimes not. This era we overestimated our enemies and gave them too much respect, hopefully next era we won't. Of course, either way, we're likely to get criticised. It's hard to please everybody, and not everybody can be pleased.

Mr. Durza Report 5/31/2007 8:18:00 PM

What would you win you ask? You'se would win a fair fight, a bit more of a chalenge. It wouldn't just be LGC killing everysmall kingdom. If you'se brag about being the best, its time LGC had the ball's to show it and fight a decent fight!

We did that last era. Or did you not forget it? We fought the #2, #3, #4 and #5 kds all at the same time, aswell as an assortment of other smaller kingdoms. We put up decent fights, and this era we wanted to teach the other kingdoms a lesson or two about gangbanging. We had it done to us, we did it back to them.

We took them in while kingdoms such as BACCUS beat down on them.

WTF...Mirror declared on us...they attacked us!!!!! That's crazy:). Oh well, this speaks about your rationality.

there is alot of typing it this thread.... i cant't read that much, it makes my head spin and then i can't take over the world : )

did someone say i was one of the best players? thx Messiah, i love you too. but i really tend to disagree with you, i'm a sucky player and i'm just back after missing 5 eras, so i sucky sucky even more that usual.

@ Fra Gusti

You attacked us first, but we did the decleration official. =)

That's absolutely false....but not relevant anymore.

*hits adelbert*

hey i was a drunken monk. and im not evil!!!!

we did? hmmmm funny

agreed... i still remember they attacked our southern walls and we needed some troops there, they were overthrown and pushed back into the abyss