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| 13:23:58 Jun 7th 21 - Ryan the Archion (Duke Ryan The Archion XXXIV): Why are you complaining about the glitches of the pathing of the map when Heroix had given us the ability to see it accurately? | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:30:32 Jun 8th 21 - Prophet Merlin The Magi: If you have the ability to cheat, does not mean you have to do it. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 11:04:53 Jun 8th 21 - Matthew (Chief Mattis): LMAO There being an extension that shows the terrain borders explains SO MUCH highly suspect and confusing behavior I saw this era.  The extension must suggest that there is a gap in the mountains there in the red because PDC tried ramming nazgul against that mountain for so long LOL There is no gap there. I really wasnt sure what made him think there was. There are two very obvious gaps in terrain on this map and Berserkers already took advantage of them. You dont need an extension to see them. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 11:19:03 Jun 8th 21 - Matthew (Chief Mattis): Okay you have to admit that seeing someone ram their nazgul against a mountain because an extension told them they can path through it is honestly very funny. Almost everyone who plays VU has played the game for a very very long time. Everyone knows each other and what is and isn't considered acceptable. The map stuff was a confusing issue because it's a new map. Clearly the kingdoms (albatross and fools) in that part of the map had a gentleman's agreement not to abuse the terrain features because they fought OOP and didnt moses-walk over the river or walk through the forest. Maybe something from lesser worlds, idk. Clearly the terrain was intended to block. IMO it's only an issue because you guys said you wouldnt cross it. As for market stuff that's another 'grey area' where everyone really already knows the drill. There's a max market price for resources . You can bump it up by 25% over and over but it's abusive to do that because it can lead to kingdoms feeding resources. You dont see allied kingdoms teleporting stacks of Nazgul or Knights even though its an EXTREMELY effective strategy and a 'valid game mechanic' because everyone knows it's 'unethical'. People dont cast Ownage on allied assets for the same reason. Or Steal Science. There are a million game mechanics that are free to abuse but the community doesnt do so because they know it's not 'fair play'. You can walk over rivers and forests and do whatever you want on the market but you can't pretend that it's fair and normal gameplay. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 11:27:37 Jun 8th 21 - Matthew (Chief Mattis): 'We can merge over rivers' 'Okay its unintended we will not merge over rivers' 'We can criss-cross greatwalls' 'Alright let's not create impassable terrain' 'You can use offensive spells on allies' 'Yeah let's not do that' 'Kingdoms can feed Human players resources on the market' 'Sure but that would be pretty unfair' 'You can walk over this river and forest' 'Oh okay fair game' I dont care beyond the humor of it but you can see how 'we should be able to walk over this broken river' is a funny argument to make in a game where everyone agreed 10 years ago not to merge over broken rivers until it was fixed. As far as I care everyone is free to do as they please but the reaction isnt surprising | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 13:59:35 Jun 8th 21 - Den Norske Bonden Sam: At the end of the day, we're all going to have to agree to disagree, as neither side is going to convince the other. Berserkers have their way of playing and the rest of the community has theirs. The only thing to keep in mind is, if you do play the way you are Berserkers, no one will want to play with you and you'll eventually just have boring, long, unchallenged, eventless eras. You can say what you like about Valhalla "having too many rules" or whatever, but look at the activity on each world. It doesn't take a genius to see which approach is working. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 14:37:37 Jun 8th 21 - Mr. Kool: Actually i just watched team b walking over water just last tic..although it wasnt to the extent where it would have been as bad as what kobs did, they still did it.. also its going to affect our core.. but guess what unfortunately its part and of the game unless zeta fixes it.. also we will not complain if it happens to us.. if you guys used that tactic that kobs was going to use on us we still would not care.. no matter what you throw at us we would not care, because even if we lose theres always next era. also it just makes the game harder and the victory sweeter if we win.. and to me that seems to be the difference between us and you.. everyone has thier own perspective on the game and like the dude before mentioned our respective kingdoms will not agree with each other.. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 19:19:29 Jun 8th 21 - Endless (Ms. Tyranny): what are these Valhalla rules? apparently I’m playing there without realizing somebody has decreed themselves Zeta and made rules | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 19:24:53 Jun 8th 21 - Ms. Jasmine: Its an agreement made between these four kingdoms
That cheating of any kind is not allowed. That includes plundering warehouses in between kingdoms Walking over terrain glitches on the map; Blockers which should be blocking but are not - will not be walked around Kingdoms will ally to face cheating if needed (like Ivanho case last era) It is a pact between all kingdoms here and they all follow it. Main reason why Valhalla is most fun in the game now and Fantasia is usually filled with these situations that would not happen in Valhalla. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 19:50:02 Jun 8th 21 - Endless (Ms. Tyranny): so a lynchmob Blockers which should be blocking but are not - will not be walked around seriously? alright consider me inactive or kick me, I’m not playing with 2 yr olds throwing a temper tantrum | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 19:52:24 Jun 8th 21 - Konspyre (Captain Happy): "oh no how dare you try to make the game fair" lmao | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 19:56:53 Jun 8th 21 - Den Norske Bonden Sam: I'll refer back to my last post, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Fortunately, there is more than one world so we don't need to agree. Valhalla has gone one way, Fantasia another. One world is picking up players and the other not. In one world people have agreed to play the game in the manner they think the game should be played and in the other, they're happy with the game how it is. Luckily, there's the option to play on both or either worlds which caters for both parties. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 20:00:26 Jun 8th 21 - Ms. Jasmine: Did you actually put some time into reading about it? If the blocker is placed poorly, then its ok to walk around If it appears to look ok, and only if other kingdoms "ok" the blocker Than you're not allowed to walk around. Meaning if its possible to walk over a forest Then the agreement does not allow walking over forest The city has to look like its blocking This is the thing we are trying to prevent:  | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 20:14:11 Jun 8th 21 - Lord Caedus: Out of interest - what happens if someone breaks the rules? | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 20:22:19 Jun 8th 21 - Ms. Jasmine: I don't know I am guessing 4 leaders of the kingdoms would gather and talk And would come up with some kind of solution Its never 1 person making any decisions. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 20:26:21 Jun 8th 21 - Konspyre (Captain Konspyre): no jasmina, you don't get it, cheating it clearly just part of the game | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 21:34:16 Jun 8th 21 - Ryan the Archion (Duke Ryan The Archion XXXIV): Then create a council of 10 players that are voted by the community. This council will promulgate a code of ethics that will be implemented in all worlds regardless which current KD they are in. Breaking this code of ethics will have sanctions according to the council's ruling. I would love to follow this code compare to this gentlemen's agreement that is happening now that not all are aware. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 23:30:38 Jun 8th 21 - Endless (Ms. Diomedea Nigripes): so, is the extension a cheat? don’t have it can’t evaluate does the strategy for potential core breach and having a core defense team to handle it no longer exist? does having Vets playing on a New Player world aka Valhalla not seem unfair? | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 23:39:40 Jun 8th 21 - Edi (Sir Edi The Great): Nobody relies on blockers to stop the enemy Crush walls is still among the easiest spells to do All this agreement does is forces kingdoms to teamwork and use tactics instead of walking over a glitched map. It is a bug, something admin must fix, but we all know how things are done here. So while we wait for game bug to be fixed we agreed as community not to abuse it. Its not a thing several people agreed on, but the community. If there is something bad in the agrement people will say and it will be changed. I would like you to plead your case why you think this is bad? Then the community (not few people) will see your point of view and adjust rules if necessary. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:01:06 Jun 9th 21 - Endless (Ms. Tyranny): if nobody relies on blockers and CW is still an easy cast then why does it matter if someone uses a pixel glitch not yet fixed?? core breach is fundamentally core breach regardless of how or who shouldn’t a kingdom have glitches worked into their defense plan? I’m wondering why people went with trying to regulate/dictate the community and actual game play rather then adjusting and adapting their strategies for outlier play  | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:14:13 Jun 9th 21 - Ryan the Archion (Duke Ryan The Archion XXXIV): That's why it is done by voting who to place at the council. It means, once you vote, you agreed to be represented by the like-minded people you vote for. Like, everyone list their 10 players that they think will be voicing out on their behalf. Someone tallies it, the top ten means they are the most trusted players in the game. If we do it by community (everyone), it will never end. I don't know any community where they are governed by everyone. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:26:19 Jun 9th 21 - Death God Testterr: voting will not work as 90% of the community and leaders who are respected says its okay if they do it but not if someone else does :) they river jump /city river jump -> they ignore. you follow. criticize in the forum why u river jump. and why didnt u warn them their kd mate did they manipulate the market -> you buy all the tree and sell at 4.5 -> you guys are feeding -> bogdan bring the market up to 5/6 -> its strategy. -> someone bring it up to 8.1 -> they say its strategy and your fault for not selling lower they pass through blockers cause it doesnt block due to map glitches and win the era -> 2 eras after, you pass through -> you are a cheater and abusing map glitches couple eras ago gve right side of the map opened up due to a glitch. making all right side open -> didnt your so called vets and respected players took advantage of that and wipe out the entire enemy kd just because of it? pengiun and bogdan city swap/ feeding -> did you hear a single thing from these so called respected people? not a single thing. these people only think its okay as long as they do it. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:28:56 Jun 9th 21 - Edi (Sir Edi The Great): Endless you are giving blockers too much attention, there isnt a single blocker set up this era, and it would happen only in a rare occasion. There are two ways to breach a core Work with mage, cast it at certain time when you are around, work together Crush and hope not to get hit walking over city And second: Walk into enemy core over terrain not touching the enemy so they cant bounce without walking out The second way is by using a game glitch and not regular game play like cw. Dont know why that is the same for you? I remember two eras ago in Mantrax our blocker was possible to walk around through forest and what FW did was cast cw and walk over city, Penguin did that even though he could walk around. Nothing but respect for that. Ryan, I think most active people in VU are the ones that make these agreements, and all are highly respected, like Konspyre, JackDaniels, Bigfield, Heroix, Konstant, Haldimir, Sam, Jasmina, Percy and Moff help though they are not playing. I am unsure if you think there would be a revolt and people would not want these vets there? | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:30:59 Jun 9th 21 - Endless (Ms. Diomedea Nigripes): do you know how many cheating previously banned players you just listed there 🤣 Edi, my point with the blockers is who decided that map glitch was rule worthy when they were first discovered people bitched and then adapted, they usually got a friendly to test to see if it was or wasn’t blocking, they usually set up another city to stop plotting through the glitch… double blocking isn’t ideal but it worked and it kept individual game play alive and obviously I think the game is more interesting when the unexpected or unanticipated occurs | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:36:16 Jun 9th 21 - Edi (Sir Edi The Great): These are in place in Valhalla, not Fantasia If someone river jumps in Valhalla you report and its fixed right away. One of the core members of your kingdom Haldimir is in Valhalla and has already reported attacking of you as untagged by Merlin, which we do not do, and I would like to apologize and that will not happen again, it was a mistake to happen and a double stanard that will not repeat. Death God Testterr: | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:38:40 Jun 9th 21 - Edi (Sir Edi The Great): People who have been playing for many years will have ups and downs, this was made so that cheating does not come back. They can all be cheaters in the past, as long as the world is clean now, that is the goal Endless: | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:41:02 Jun 9th 21 - Death God Testterr: not happen again, was any action taken? what happened to the you must burn it?? Mr. Oda Nobunaga.We have plundered Jav of all their resources. They had 189664023 gold, 123828551 stone, 240694 tree, 2599448 food and 0 slaves in the city. We also took 32288 of their peasants for slaves! We killed or injured total of 19282 troops. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:49:27 Jun 9th 21 - Death God Testterr: oh by the way you guys were walking the edge of the map a few eras ago. top and bottom, sides now i walk the edge of the map, why are you whining and crying like babies? only difference is before we didnt know what can be passed and has to be checked manually now there is a tool open to everyone. which makes it fair game. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 00:54:04 Jun 9th 21 - Endless (Ms. Diomedea Nigripes): whomever reported anybody attacking my cities is a moron, I left the kingdom I expect my cities to be burned or taken…alternatively they could leave me alone but apparently that’s not even a remote thought so yeah, I expect to die 😆 did they report HnS attacking me too or can’t they see that, meh 😂 as far as I know the kingdom’s leader plans to burn them so they’re not accused of being fed, and whomever reported obviously thinks I’m a cheater for suggesting it when in fact I’m a realist… it’s a war game, expect to live or die but especially die if you leave a kingdom  | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 02:07:14 Jun 9th 21 - Ryan the Archion (Duke Ryan The Archion XXXIV): @DPC [voting will not work as 90% of the community and leaders who are respected says its okay if they do it but not if someone else does :)] So you meant a change for good is not okay? And let's keep at our twisted way? I did something wrong eras before (for sure you know it), and I am ashamed of it. So does it mean I keep doing it? I am for something good of this community, something we can work on to make it better. It is just sad that it seems you don't trust anyone. @Edi [Ryan, I think most active people in VU are the ones that make these agreements, and all are highly respected, like Konspyre, JackDaniels, Bigfield, Heroix, Konstant, Haldimir, Sam, Jasmina, Percy and Moff help though they are not playing. I am unsure if you think there would be a revolt and people would not want these vets there?] Just because they are the most active or what you call highly respected, it automatically means they can represent each players at a whim. That's why I'm calling for a vote, so there will be a consensus from everyone. For me, the 10 players that should be in the council that I think can represent me should be:
Those people to me are the ones I played either as foe or ally that gave good impression to me and I believe can contribute to create a better community for us. I don't know if they did something wrong in the past, but I do hope they can contribute for a better future. Again, I am for a better community. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 04:03:01 Jun 9th 21 - Sir Aloysius XCVIII: this is the rule to follow. for all I know.  if the game lets you make a path on some terrain, it's not someones fault or some sort of violation against an unwritten rules. It is the game's fault! Stop whining over pieces of sh!t that doesn't even count, instead, contact Zeta to fix it. The highly respected words and statements of those that claim they are cannot fix the game's code. Your whining cannot be translated to a programmable language, neither. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 04:29:33 Jun 9th 21 - Konstant (The Ancient Retribution of Paladins): We have a multi come around last era. Several KDs stopped wars and killed off the multi before continuing the era as normal. Also allows some cross-KD communications, even between era "enemies". This allows for a much more fun and diverse era. The goal of Valhalla isn't only to have some fun, but also to foster new/returning players community. Roughly 50% of the above mentioned KDs roster's are new/returning players in the last year. We focus on teaching new players, guiding returning ones, fostering talent, and even making sure that those who are considered "inactive" aren't left behind and can still enjoy the game and the community. Every KD also has the goal of not only helping new players learn and grow, but also to engage with untagged. If a player is a new/returning player, it is generally an unwritten rule in each KD (which each made independent of each other) to leave them be unless they are an already established player, or attack. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 04:36:53 Jun 9th 21 - Phat (Grand Moff Death Harbinger): > instead, contact Zeta to fix it. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 05:33:46 Jun 9th 21 - Mr. Mavich: I don't think there would be a consensus, I think there are even more players not reading the forums or who just don't give a f*** about others whining. Some also hardly logins, build city, train troops, put in market, moves out and logs out all in a minute, they also do not have time to consider other people feelings and just wants to play the game their way. In zerkers, what we do when someone tries to 'creatively' play the game, we take notes, and deal with it, we do not whine. If we lose, then we lose, there's always next era and a revenge but just don't come back crying when we 'creatively' do it better. Anyway, I agree with Aloys opinion and several who shares the same view. I do not have the time to analyze or tip toe the set of rules that the 'community' tries to come up with unless that is set in game. So to those who thinks otherwise we can agree to disagree. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 05:38:24 Jun 9th 21 - Konstant (The Ancient Retribution of Paladins): Here it is folks. I don't think there would be a consensus, I think there are even more players not reading the forums or who just don't give a f*** about others whining. Some also hardly logins, build city, train troops, put in market, moves out and logs out all in a minute, they also do not have time to consider other people feelings and just wants to play the game their way. In zerkers, what we do when someone tries to 'creatively' play the game, we take notes, and deal with it, we do not whine. If we lose, then we lose, there's always next era and a revenge but just don't come back crying when we 'creatively' do it better. Anyway, I agree with Aloys opinion and several who shares the same view. I do not have the time to analyze or tip toe the set of rules that the 'community' tries to come up with unless that is set in game. So to those who thinks otherwise we can agree to disagree. Zerks have gone from "we don't cheat" to "GamE MeCHaniCs" to "we cheat. we chat all day long. we can't figure out how anyone plays the game without cheating." | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 05:40:32 Jun 9th 21 - Death God Testterr: Its so useless talking with u. You are too stupid to understand konstant what mavich said. Let me summarize it for you. You guys do something.. We learn from you and do it better You call us cheaters and cry. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 05:43:10 Jun 9th 21 - Endless (Ms. Tyranny): putting words in his mouth Konstant? btw, when did Zeta give you the get out of cheaters jail free card | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 05:51:30 Jun 9th 21 - Konstant (The Ancient Retribution of Paladins): I don't need to put words in their mouths'. They said it themselves. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:02:04 Jun 9th 21 - Endless (Ms. Tyranny): btw, how many maps are glitching these days was wondering if maybe they should just me removed from circulation until fixed | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:05:14 Jun 9th 21 - Konstant (The Ancient Retribution of Paladins): Most of them have a few weird places, but they're more like "barely skirt around a blocker" rather than "walk over open rivers/forests". | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:17:39 Jun 9th 21 - Stirlin (Dark Prince Stirlin): Tbh from the 2 eras I’ve played I’ve seen more “cheating” from the other groups yet it’s only zerkers who get called out. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:25:33 Jun 9th 21 - Endless (Ms. Diomedea Nigripes): Zeta is around, I sent him bug reports and have interacted a few times since I returned (one being the s in https isn’t working ) … the SSL cert was a concern since my husband got my password for the game and it’s none of his biz ya know good thing you didn’t wager on it ;) | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:33:41 Jun 9th 21 - Mr. Buttseks: So can we cheat or not? | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:34:30 Jun 9th 21 - Ryan the Archion (Duke Ryan The Archion XXXIV): It was my suggestion or what Aloy said. Oh, I thought the forum is less toxic now because the stupid whiner rarely comments with his stupid logic. Here we are now again. Same old stupidity. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 06:34:56 Jun 9th 21 - Konstant (The Ancient Retribution of Paladins): Not sure what you've seen or not seen Stirlin, haven't seen a peep out of you in the last 2 eras. Visit more often =) | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 09:06:02 Jun 9th 21 - Matthew (Chief Mattis): It's not cheating to do things that the game lets you. It's fun to make jokes about people walking over rivers and nobody can stop me from calling someone who does it Moses or joking about them having boats or scuba gear. Obviously the map should just get another 2 circles added so nobody can path through the river or forest. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 09:36:03 Jun 9th 21 - Mr. Buttseks: so Yes or No? | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 10:03:22 Jun 9th 21 - Den Norske Bonden Sam: I'll try to interject, as I don't think this discussion is very healthy and it's becoming a little unpleasant. Berserkers and others, you have your way of playing and that's fine. I did call you out on the walking over water thing, but this was my first era playing Fantasia after a long time of not playing the game at all. The map's I remember didn't have holes over water or forests! Look, it's not the way I'd play myself, but we're all different and there's nothing wrong with that. As many of you have pointed out, if the game allows it, then why not use it? A point I fully see, but can't quite get on board with. :) On Valhalla, the collective majority of the players there on Valhalla have come together and decided they want to play the game with some more structure in place. Everyone gets an input. It would be lovely to play this game and have an engaging admin, active forums, dynamic gameplay and multiple worlds, just like we used too, but we don't anymore. We're all here playing this game because we enjoy the game, we're just two worlds playing it slightly differently. We can all have fun on either world, or both, the choice is there for everyone. Could we just try and agree to disagree and leave it there? | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 10:07:03 Jun 9th 21 - Konstant (The Ancient Retribution of Paladins): Sam, you're too good for this world. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 10:50:15 Jun 9th 21 - Endless (Ms. Tyranny): once upon a time, when a man stumbled upon the dragons cave of gold, he said. .. if I killz it I can have it. so he did. after many many challenges for ownership of his cave of gold he decided to hire some security guards. they beat the weak silly. eventually the guards earned a pothole full of gold. then the guards hired their own guards. eventually they formed a guild. then they made rules so they could keep their wealth and make the weak their slaves without having to wage war. eventually they made war because they wanted more. world domination attempts ensued. anarchists arose. much death and chaos ensued. eventually the weak and poor decided safety was preferable so they submitted to being ruled. and that’s society. the end. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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