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05:46:54 Dec 27th 12 - Mr. Run Wit Chocolates: We really need to continue to the next era. This one is dragging out | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
19:40:24 Dec 27th 12 - Mr. Xanatos: my mistake for the fury about to be unleashed upon h2o2, shouda read before i shot. my bad, hopefully you can have mercy upon h2o2 for my actions, good to know now for future reference. just was itchin for a fight :P hopefully h2o2 dont care about stats cause were about to get wiped off the map. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
09:11:10 Dec 28th 12 - Mr. Xanatos: h2 at its height i believe.
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10:35:45 Dec 28th 12 - Mr. Timur: I think we only need one more person to vote yes to get the restart. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
20:18:30 Dec 29th 12 - Ryan the Archion (Mr. Ryan The Crusader): And the final stand of Neo Greyshine begun. The remaining crusaders of the Sir Ryan, the High Lord of Neo Jerusalem are now in position to protect what lies behind the high walls of the city. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
00:24:44 Dec 30th 12 - Ryan the Archion (Mr. Ryan The Crusader): I hate AotD, I've lost 500k MUs already trying to revive my 250k Archers. :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
10:42:44 Dec 30th 12 - Pure (Pure Slowty Mcslow Slow): I hate AotD, I've lost 500k MUs already trying to revive my 250k Archers. :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
14:47:44 Dec 30th 12 - Ryan the Archion (Mr. Ryan The Crusader): Because that's my only troops. When you are surrounded by 4 HoH armies and you have limited income and you can stack 2M troops to your only 200k human city (although not fully built) and have nothing in mind to go offensive, logically you will only want to defend with archers only, cheap and very good at defense. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
14:50:29 Dec 30th 12 - Ryan the Archion (Mr. Ryan The Crusader): Oh, I remembered. I slaughtered two of those HoH armies with my archers. :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
23:04:57 Dec 30th 12 - DVSklown (Mr. Ofofofofof):VICTORY!Mr. Ofofofofof. The city of Neo Jerusalem is now under our command! They had 0 gold, 4990449 stone, 3274040 tree, 31126808 food and 550421 slaves in the city, that is now yours! We also took 275843 of their peasants as slaves! We killed all of the 997349 troops. if i showed you the dice you wouldnt be happy, so ill keep that to myself | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
23:11:45 Dec 30th 12 - Mr. Don Kichotas: do not proud, next era we focus just vs you guys... you won't get lucky with farming like this era... prepare to die... or do not play at all ;) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
23:13:51 Dec 30th 12 - Ryan the Archion (Mr. Ryan The Archblade III): I know the dice and your chance. I have 90% on both of you. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
02:36:20 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Small Fries II: It is not BoD's fault for farming. It was the choice of the other Kingdoms as a collective whole to let them farm. But, perhaps I will play for BoD in order to combat the mighty LDK! :D | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
07:57:10 Dec 31st 12 - Dragoria (Mr. Torgun Bloodletter): I find it funny that you guys always claim the farming bul1sh*t line when you are not as successful as you want. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
09:09:50 Dec 31st 12 - Prince Erythnul: Well as another era on valhalla comes to a end another empire conquers all and rises to the top , well done BOD . Just like Stormcloaks last era a well organised empire rose to the top , as for the 'farming flames' ehh every empire on every world has members that farm for later era mayhem ...BOD just did it better then the rest of us so well done and LS will see you again (hopefully) on the battlefield ! Erythnul - valhalla is the new Fantasia :-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
12:24:34 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Vytautas Didysis: Everybody can prove that. From start you just farm, and you farm farm until you saw when is time to attack..you not fight TCT and you not come to fight from start with LS Storms and us... We had no chance to def, when we lost many troops and few of our players die and we was still in war vs LS. BoD with all them farmed troops comes to us, let's fo in different way, next era we NAP all, and we will wait when you fight with someone then we attack...BoD did not better than other...Everybody can do better if they have chance to farm and kill few troops later..anyway good luck next era... :P | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
16:46:11 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Run Wit Chocolates: To be fair, BoD NAP'd TCT before OOP. TCT fought 4 v 6 against H20. Eventually, I asked Dakarta for a NAP because we had already won and he was only building cities for us to capture. There was no fight left to be had from them, so we let them restart without harassing them. Immediately after that, I attacked Stormcloaks by myself. Timur can testify to that. Their KD has 10 players at the time, while mine had 5 (we initially had four, but one started late - after the Hydrogen war, and too late to join the SC war). I destroyed several SC cities through strategy, because their armies were all bigger than mine. I destroyed a few cities, then they killed me. I had no magic support. My mage has been inactive the entire era. The only magic support I have received from my KD was VERY early era, 1-3 STGs on a warehouse city. But I attacked SC anyways. If BoD hadn't NAP'd us, then BoD would have been much larger. Our KD could have been easily wrecked, because of the constant fighting. Besides, their KD was the most powerful KD on the map and ours was half their size, and smaller. BoD also allowed H20 to live. H20 died by TCT's hand. Then they restarted. BoD could have captured many restart buildings. It would have been very easy. But they didn't. Maybe BoD farmed. But they weren't all that bad. However, Tranny the Skank, who joined BoD AFTER h20's fall, farmed the entire era. That's why he captured so many cities. He came from Talents, Mr. Bundle of Sticks. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
17:17:01 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Don Kichotas: I am not say they bad players, i say they are farmers :) that it :D They was top 1 kingdom just because Storms LS and we have war :) and still we was not far away from them by power, but we lose a lot ;) Storms rebuild fast, but they was unlucky as well like us :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
17:23:55 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Small Fries II: If a Kingdom is left alone, it will farm or conquer cities. It is the job of other KDs to ensure this doesn't happen. Whenever it does happen, is is due to the poor planning of other KDs. It is due to bad diplomacy, and poor decisions. I respect many of the players on Valhalla, many of whom are great. But the problem isn't BoD, the problem sits on the shoulders of the KD leaders as a collective whole. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
17:44:24 Dec 31st 12 - DVSklown (Mr. Ofofofofof): First thing, BoD and TCT had discussed Napping before the era even started. we are friends. who better to make a Nap with then someone you know and trust? as for the farming. i dont understand the problem here. maybe im being dumb. is it not a smart move to secure your core early era? if you can block people out and grow uninterrupted. isnt it the smart thing to do? you think just because you have the ability to fight means you should? this reminds me of another game i play Call of Duty. i like to use a 3 round burst assault rifle. its fast to aim and effectively kills with one squeeze of the trigger. yet when i play i get called a Try Hard(which means i try too hard to win, which i do, duh), by players who are running around using a sniper rifle(because they think it gives them style). but at the end of the match i have 50kills and they have alot of deaths. im not going to be shamed into playing a certain way by idiots who think they are better then me, yet keep losing to me. i play this game so i can use my brain to decide the best course of action. and if i did lose, i certainly wouldnt be crying about how i got beat. Id take it like a man and move on. But i have to say i kinda enjoy hearing all the whining and crying, makes me think, not only did i beat you but i pissed you off too. see ya next era!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
18:04:34 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Vytautas Didysis: Not everything is true... :P Depends of what we talking, if you talking about honor you not have it. Well, this is not strategy or tactic to farm, you just was in good place that it...you decide to have easy game than play harder but more intresting game.. That why we not nap Storms from start, and just because we didn't you guys win, because you attack weaker opponent, so this is strategy? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
18:45:04 Dec 31st 12 - DVSklown (Mr. The Gunslinger Roland Deschain): i didnt realize it was dishonorable to farm. they should take away the ability to build mines then. I think it is more dishonorable for trash talking someone about being dishonorable, yet they have done nothing dishonorable. This is a war game, and we are in a world with 50% protection. so anyone not in the 50% protection is fair game right. even if they are smaller. its part of the rules. we broke no rules or Naps. BoD has no dishonor. choose your words better. Like i said i wont be shamed into anything. according to you i took the easy way. instead of the harder more interesting way. just like in Call of Duty(i didnt mean CoD is like farming, i was saying people in all games whine about how i play, i guess im not in with the cool kids) i pick a good gun instead of a cool gun. that crap doesnt work on me pal. i dont feel guilty or ashamed for choosing the best strategy for winning. And we had no plans on farming, after winning the last era we had assumed that many other kingdoms would come and try to take us out early. so we built blockers and trained defense. we were ready, yet noone came. so 2 of us went and took out Lusitanos. then we headed north. where LDK had wiped out SC, you should have had plenty of plunder and new cities to train troops with. and you all had your troops spread through out your core, Tranny had no problem with your blocker. looks like your kingdom could have used a little more strategy. probably be best for you to stop talking. your arguments have no merit. its all emotion coming from you. you should learn to take a loss with grace.
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18:47:17 Dec 31st 12 - Prince Erythnul: Come on guys give credit where credit is due , the posts hear are starting to sound like sore grapes from players who i thought where better then that . Whether you like the 'farming strategy'or not is up to the individual or sometimes where you get dropped . LDK , SC , and LS got dropped basically on top of each other so war was inevitable LDK attacked SC as they are a very good warring empire , LS napped SC due to my decision of wanting LDK gone as i know how good they are if they get a good start. Well both LS and SC failed in doing this with SC having to rebuild somewhere else on the map and us slowly losing. Then LS and LDK napped ( which BOD is a biggie as our to empires have warred nearly every era ) due to the known threat of the growing power of BOD. When our alliance turned our attack against BOD it was to late and they where 2 strong and we lost .... I guess what i'm trying to say is there are many 'strategies' in war - mass napping , all out war with everyone , blocker up and farm and wait till you think you are strong enough , napping a enemy to get rid of a bigger enemy , if you have to demean another players/empires win because of a tactic they used then maybe the tactic you used was wrong . So it should be good next era since there is so much 'controversy' anyway BOD we at LS salute you and will be gunning for revenge :-) Erythnul - Valhalla the new Fantasia (hopefully without the moaning in the forums ) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
18:50:34 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Salazar: On that note, could someone agree to Arma? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
19:41:54 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Vytautas Didysis: And we had no plans on farming, after winning the last era we had
assumed that many other kingdoms would come and try to take us out
early. so we built blockers and trained defense. we were ready, yet
noone came. so 2 of us went and took out Lusitanos. then we headed
north. where LDK had wiped out SC, you should have had plenty of plunder
and new cities to train troops with. and you all had your troops spread
through out your core, Tranny had no problem with your blocker. looks
like your kingdom could have used a little more strategy. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
19:45:22 Dec 31st 12 - Mr. Vytautas Didysis: I am not blame, I say you are farmers, :) if you not see any problem with that, why you so angry? I not talking trash, I am not saying you guys noobs or some other bad words, I respect all players in VU... Just I don't like farming, that it :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
19:55:28 Dec 31st 12 - Prince Erythnul: Hmm Vytautas Didysis you sure .... 05:04:34 Jan 1st 13 - Mr. Vytautas Didysis: Not everything is true... :P Depends of what we talking, if you talking about honor you not have it. Well, this is not strategy or tactic to farm, you just was in good place that it...you decide to have easy game than play harder but more intresting game.. That why we not nap Storms from start, and just because we didn't you guys win, because you attack weaker opponent, so this is strategy? you are what i call a vet player maybe you should bring that honour you have on the battlefield here as well Get over it and plan for next era , or keep talking and look like the bad loser you are already looking like even worse | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
20:03:06 Dec 31st 12 - DVSklown (Mr. Ofofofofof): i didnt get angry, i actually find it amusing when people talk down about how i play. I was only stating what i find to be the truth. you did talk trash, called us dishonorable. was only trying to show we are not in any way dishonorable. Well Thanks Prince Erythnul i appreciate your honorable words and play. Good battles this Era. may they continue. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
00:10:58 Jan 1st 13 - Dragoria (Mr. Torgun Bloodletter): Ok, so I typed most of this offline. Sorry that it doesn't directly address everything new and is so lenghty, but I think it covers it well enough despite me being so wordy. Also, thank you Prince Erythnul for your kind words. I have always found you to be a very honorable and worthy player. Okay, so we can kill the farming bul1s*t and any other conjectures, here is how the era has gone for BoD. At the start of the era, we only had 4 (Twister, Conch, Jumentous, and I) out of the 8 BoD members active. Thankfully, just before the era start we got two applications. The first was our era long NAP partner from the previous era Blagorapo (Booboo). The second was Avendesora a friend of Twister (Ofofofofof). During the first week, we went on to kick all 4 of the inactive original BoD members. From even before the first tick, the active 4 of us feared that we would find ourselves as the target of a multi-NAP take down and made detailed plans to have all of blockers in place, built out, and properly manned. That is why out of three separate landing points; we decided to go with the place that Booboo landed as it provided some open space for establishing a proper core. The bad of this was that the other two landed players had to move some pretty far distances to get there and potentially lose the first few turns of the new era. Thankful thanks to careful routing by both of them, all three were in place just in time with me dropping the very first tick of the era. During this same time period, we found that LDK was targeting Lost Souls and Stromcloaks north of us, and that they were going to fight LDK. It was at this time that Twister and I decided that we should have a single NAP partner and at Twister's request formed a NAP with his friends in The Craziest Thing. From there, by something like day two or three into the era, we found The Craziest Thing, Hydrogen Dioxide, Lusitanos, and some independents surrounding our southern and eastern borders. Having only a couple of blockers in place against these guys with more being needed, Booboo and I decided we would go hard after the two vets that make Lusitanos (1 halfer and 1 orc against 1 halfer and 1 orc) as we knew exactly how dangers they can be. (As an aside, I credit Shpedro with having taught me several of the finer points of playing well.) At the same time Twister and Avendesora were going to go after Hydrogen Dioxide and Bran Bran (Jumentous) was set to take out the independent known as Guide as several us had seen him farm up in previous era’s and then tear the crap out of other kingdoms. Due to Harvgoz needing to finish the three blockers that he agreed to build, he was the only member of the kingdom left focusing on building his economy. Around this time, we picked up two more members to fill some of our vacancies, Tranny and Sladen. While I have no idea what Tranny was doing before he joined BoD, his first question immediately after joining was who he could fight and assigned him to work with Twister and Avendesora fighting Hydrogen Dioxide as I knew these guys were super resilient. For Sladen, as he had recently dropped, he was supposed to focus 60/40 on building cities and training troops during his protection so he could come OOP and be an immediate asset. Unfortunately, shortly after getting two good size cities built and just barely starting two new ones, he went completely inactive and around the 14th day kicked and eaten. To our horror, we found that his cities had no farms, almost no wood, and zeroed out production, morale, and peasants; although he did have 35 Mil in gold thankfully. Now back to what matters, unfortunately along with Sladen both Avendesora and Harvgoz also disappeared for a good week. Due to the fact that we still had two open slots and no applications, I didn’t dare kick anyone the moment that they hit the 4 days inactive that is one of the lower world rules of BoD. Thankfully Hargoz returned and was able to resume building out his blockers. On the other hand we found out that Avendesora had lost internet connectivity and was having troubling getting it fixed. Thankfully around the twelve day, he was finally able to return. Despite all of the troubles that we were experiencing due to inactivity, things were actually going pretty well. At first Booboo and I were being held back by Lusitanos, but we eventually pushed our way through with Booboo taking a string of their blockers while I flanked them. Coming in from the side, I quickly took most of Shpedro cities despite Elite continual providing assistance. Elite then did an amazing job holding the two of us at bay for a day or so until our spam was simply too much for him to handle and he burned his core personal core leaving us with nothing but a couple of GT cities that he held us at. During this same time Bran Bran successfully defeated Guide. While I am uncertain how big a part that they played in the war against H2O2, due TCT bull dogging them, around this same time Twister and Tranny showed in the south trying to finish them. But due to the loss of most of their cities, H2O2 was way too small to loot much less fight and far too smart to break that line. With no one else left to fight, we found ourselves at a crossroads. We could A.) farm our butts off and most likely ensure that no one could touch us come mid and late era. Or we could B.) move every army we have north and jump into the middle of the LDK, LS, and SC war with a serious possibility that we could lose. In a unanimous vote based on pure battle lust and the need for loot, we sent everything we had north. Because while I cannot speak for everyone, I know for fact that both Ofofofofof and Tranny were living strictly off loot with troop costs that far exceed their income and that even including my captured cities, I only had an income of 900k, with around 200k in troop costs and nearly 100K in building costs thanks to absurd numbers of GTs. In fact, had it not been for the 30K gold and 20K stone loot that I got from Shpedro, after the losses that Elite inflicted; I would have been attacking the north with 1/3 of the troops. Planning our attack routes, Booboo and I were going to take the southwest route and either bypass or attack LS depending on their reactions, while Bran and Ofofofofof hit SC from the south and Tranny hit LDK from the east. However, that got changed when while in march there, SC contacted me asking for a respite as they were effectively defeated LDK. Having a very high opinion of Timur and his SC crew and being presented with an objective based NAP, I happily brought it the kingdom and with plenty of support agreed. The terms of the NAP were simple, we would allow SC to rebuild without interference and hopefully re-enter the war with LDK to reclaim some of their lost cities. However, the moment that both LDK was no longer a threat and SC was the second strongest kingdom, the NAP would end with a CF followed by war. Finding that our objectives had changed and only some of the 32 tick journey to the north was complete, I reassigned the objectives with Bran Bran and Ofofofofof hitting LDK from the south and Tranny from the east. However, due to some communication failures, all three ended up coming from the south. During the long and boring march north, I spammed some gaia in my northern most city along with a few nazzie and picked a spot to build a northern armory. In a similar manner, Bran did the same. The others, due to deficit spending had to simply wait for their troops to arrive. Being the tip of the sword, I went after LDK immediately and snagged a nice city, but quickly lost it. Right about this time, Lord Dacarta, another player that I have a high opinion of and know to be honorable, messaged me stating that they would like a NAP as they could not rebuild with us waiting to attack the moment they accidently exceed the protection limit. Brining this purposely to the kingdom, we once again happily agreed as it was an objective based NAP similar to the one with SC. While I know some people might want to scream NAP Whore at this point, please note that in both cases I effectively exchanged a short term CF for a late era enemy. While I like to think some people would be commend me for it, I also know an equal number would question my sanity as there was potential for either of them to turn the tables and wipe the floor with us. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
00:12:08 Jan 1st 13 - Dragoria (Mr. Torgun Bloodletter): (Part 2) Of course, I will admit that when Tranny hit he certainly inflicted a lot of damage. Add to that the carefully orchestrated support that first Ofofofofof and later Bran Bran provided in taking LDK’s outer core and then breaking through the inner cores blockers, I will admit that it had to have been disheartening from LDK’s perspective. I believe that must especially have been true when both LS and LDK’s counter offense hit Hargoz blocker and found him waiting with lots of killing hammers. Needless to say, we eventually overcame LDK and LS, with the exception of Ryan. Very close to the fall of LDK, SC ascended to second place and our NAP was ended. We originally thought about simply having Armageddon cast, but neither SC nor BoD has anyone near being ready to cast it. Asking both TCT and H2O2, I found that none of them were close either. That being the case, when asked by realm I agreed that those wanted to could war SC. Ofofofofof, Tranny, Bran Bran, and maybe Harvgoz or Avendesora proceeded with the attack on SC, while I repeatedly failed to kill Ryan. Around this time Booboo went majority of the time inactive, I assume for the holiday, and has remained mostly that way since, only logging in occasionally and not attacking anyone, although he did provide some defense occasionally. Being approached at this time by Lord Sairys who started his own kingdom and was growing his cities quickly, he asked if BoD would NAP him. Being a little reluctant to do so due to the other two NAPS, I brought it to kingdom were it was quickly shot down. Letting Sairys know, I agreed to try once more since we were so much bigger. However, before I could make any head way, I found that H2O2 had eaten him and that he was dead. The war between SC and the BoD players attacking them appears to have gone back and further for some time before the BoD guys came out on top. I have to admit I was spending so much time to first kill Ryan and then contain him, that I missed most of what was happening over there. Eventually coming to the conclusion that he clearly had a great income than me and that he was outspamming me by about 3 to 1, I asked for help. Which eventually lead to Bran Bran and Ofofofofof fighting him while I simply tried to retake the cities that he kept capturing. As a little change of pace, Braggi applied to join the kingdom and was accepted. Having dropped recently he started building his cities, but eventually went inactive and was later eaten by H2O2 as part of their initial assault against us once SC fell and our CF ended. Thinking that I had the troops to do so and sufficient time for it, I tried going after LDK. However, TCT denied me the ability to pass their blocker as they had a CF agreement with LDK. While I was waiting for the opportunity to pass, any chance I had of taking them by myself was shot as they pumped troops and received permission to take the TCT blocker as their own allowing them to mass their troops and preventing me from taking them piecemeal.
To add a little further flavor to what was already becoming an exciting time, we found that SC simply will not stay dead, which LS later started doing as well, and are popping up all over the place. This is of course forcing us to have to routinely review the entire map and keep troops literally everywhere to ensure we don’t start losing cities we have taken. Jumping back to H2O2, these guys hit us hard with plenty of large armies and spells. They swept both Booboo and I, taking all of the Lusitanos cities that we captured and that did not fall to ruin, as well as killing off the inactive Braggi. Finding ourselves to be facing a nice challenge, we were able to get most everyone counter attacking both H2O2 and LDK with us eventually reclaiming some of the northern most cities that both kingdoms had captured. As an added bonus that at least for me finally allowed me to bring my entire 968k gold per tick, Ofofofofof finally succeeded in taking out Ryan’s insane 1Mil troops with a lucky assault. Which brings us to the now, where we are
fighting both LDK again and H2O2 by spamming as many troops as we can get to
counter their large armies. So as I said to start this all out, at no point did
we sit back and farm. The entire time, we have sought out and fought everyone
that we could. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
00:37:48 Jan 1st 13 - Prince Erythnul: well can;t get anymore precise then that .. lol always a pleasure Torgun :-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
02:11:26 Jan 1st 13 - Mr. Run Wit Chocolates: This era needs to end. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
02:26:18 Jan 1st 13 - Mr. Dimwit: Torgun: Ah, but BoD has committed the unforgivable sin of winning -- never an "honorable" strategy in some folks' estimation. We will strive to help you regain honor in the next era. ;-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
05:18:59 Jan 1st 13 - Mr. Vytautas Didysis: Spedro hey you! :) happy new year all ;) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
06:03:36 Jan 1st 13 - Prince Erythnul: Vytautas Didysis i don't think in any of my posts i said i didn't like you or LDK (if i did that was not my intention) , you have always been a hard , honorable empire to war and i look foward to seeing the red of LDK every era . I just don't agree with what you have been posting in here after this era . Having said that you are also allowed your opinion whether i agree or not . And i will be looking foward to seeing LDK , BOD , SC , and anyone else that ventures to valhalla. Erythnul | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
06:42:29 Jan 1st 13 - Mr. Vytautas Didysis: Well I just say my opinion what I think about era, so if someone think what i talk trash, I am sorry for that ;) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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