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Starta age 7
04:28:14 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

bah, what could a human muster that's so scary? :P


04:35:55 May 24th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

something bigger than you could ever dream off =)

We own more than three times more land then this ruler.

and you are hafling so yea this human has a lot that he can muster.


04:38:48 May 24th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

I see this thread is as good as ever.

Jakee- Let him think what he wants, even in the current state of affairs, its to our advantage;)

Racer- Just wow. If Jakes role in this was minute, that would speak versus about the current state of things. On top of that, whats that say about Mads role this era? Im not going to tell you how to play your game, but I strongly believe it would be in your best interest as far as your future performance to reevaluate the series of events that lead us to where we are now, especially focusing on the unique tools in which each 
each race has and must utilize to be successful. Diplomacy and numbers will not always be there to save you, or in this case drag things out.

Mad- I think your dragon is drunk XD That plague on the other hand is &$%ing $%*@! :P

Horus- Thanks for the compliment and always a pleasure and an honor to fight you bro ^^ 

Edd-   Farming an army to take on someone warring all era? I have never been so honored :D Hmm, hopefully you back up the statement that my army wont be enough, as that will mean if we beat you it will be with our brains instead of brute force ;) 

Regardless of how it gos, Im extremely happy with my kingdom mates and mine performance this era.


04:45:46 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

Silly Edd... quick to underestimate people. ;)


04:50:29 May 24th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

farming dude? if youd dint realize we were killed off early. while in our war with LR i managed to get my city up to decent 200k income. with that income i defended my city from racer. Then after that ahppened i spend what little time i had to build 20k homes 50k mines 25k farms 25k lumbermills and at the same time had to train troops to defend myself. I did not have the pleasure phin to safely build up behind my kds blockers. I had to build always have the chance of being attacked by jellybean. Once i made that said mine i have builded a single building other than train troops 100%. Like Jake said before you guys had no LOS of us until we took closed walls so have no idea how i cam into power.


04:52:57 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

So too do you have no idea how Phin came into power. lol


Phinn and me were basically alone against two kingdoms, bro. Difference is, we didn't get killed off. 

Also, didn't you come to an "agreement" with racer during all that, so he could come down and fight us? lol


04:56:44 May 24th 11 - Mr. Mad Max:

13:52:57 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

So too do you have no idea how Phin came into power. lol


Phinn and me were basically alone against two kingdoms, bro. Difference is, we didn't get killed off. 

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My bad. "-_-


04:56:52 May 24th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

that is why i didnt mention him on my threat list only jellybean.


04:57:50 May 24th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

"Farming up an army" is different then "farming" as in terms of income. What I mean is instead of warring and fielding troops, you are sitting still to build up. Please excuse the confusing lingo. 

Its a good tactic, just seemingly overkill in this situation. We will see :)


05:01:51 May 24th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

dude that's not true either. My hoh army is fighthing and is weaker now cause i split some troops out of it. and i also have troops on the other side that i used to deal with mercury. So that's not true either. I'm just using reg income to train troops like everyone does. I mean when your at war you still train.


05:10:02 May 24th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

lol, sorry, was only basing on what I can see. I noticed "Later" had top hoh spot, and then dropped off heavily the same time "Trying" became a major hoh city. Watching your kill count on the most fearsome, it honestly looked like you havent fought  anything in nearly 2 days. My apologies.


05:14:37 May 24th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

oh trying is not my city with the troops. that city only has only mage lol and it was only build to counter mercury when he launched his offensive.You see i love to use magic but it is so far far away from AT i have no use for it anymore since arthur has been dealth with.


05:30:00 May 24th 11 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

:'(  It's so hard!!!  I recruited a random guy so I could have magic power.  He built up pretty good and was even on the HoH.  Then he got too busy and had to resign!!  I had no mage :(((  And with 1 magic lvl and only 80k mages with my small army I couldn't do anything D:


But I'm not quite done yet, I've still got a few cities and a few troops ;)


05:36:04 May 24th 11 - Mr. Eddo:

yup never undestimate the power of magic i always egt it up no matter what race i play and always used i in battle.


05:45:24 May 24th 11 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

Well I didn't really have the choice this era.  I started solo and in an OOP war with someone who had 3 days head start. So I needed mil and mining real quick, I couldn't bother with magic.  And so I decided to have someone do magic for me.  But I got unlucky...


05:47:31 May 24th 11 - Mr. Eddo:

well dude i had the same problem! im tired of sayng this but we had to fight Lr well mostly racer who had  a much much earlier start oop but i still managed to get high lvl magic =) so no excuse for you


06:11:45 May 24th 11 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

Except that I was alone...  When you have kingdommates you can be safe and know that other people have your back.  If I had gone magic I would have died, simple as that.  You have people protecting you so even if you died you could just restart.  And plus, humans have easier magic.  And I never even wanted a high magic, cause I thought I would have a mage... then I lost him :/


06:14:33 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

No excuse for him? lol Dude, we took most of the heat from Leather Rebels. and oh me my, you had to deal with Jellybean too. Hard work. ;P


06:17:45 May 24th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

it was hard work when you had to deal with 30k ponies oop. Yea that was a lot of hard work and jellys 30k hammers when we were oop yes that once again was hard work. It may seem seem much but to an oop thats overkill. Especially when both players had a vast superior edge on us.


13:07:15 May 24th 11 - Mr. Racer:

23:47:31 May 23rd 11 - Mr. Eddo:

well dude i had the same problem! im tired of sayng this but we had to fight Lr well mostly racer who had a much much earlier start oop but i still managed to get high lvl magic =) so no excuse for you

I can most def back up this claim.


13:50:05 May 24th 11 - Sir Horus XV:

arthur, we gotta team back up somehow...


22:26:55 May 24th 11 - Mr. Actonix:

"05:14:33 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

No excuse for him? lol Dude, we took most of the heat from Leather Rebels. and oh me my, you had to deal with Jellybean too. Hard work. ;P"

Don't fool yourself Jakee, you did not take most of the heat at the time - Horus was busy with Empire and Racer accompanied by Werewolf (mostly inactive) where up North facing KoH, they were also joined for a brief period by the only other able member Eco who had conveniently ignored goings-on with you guys in the South in order to go pursue easy pickings.

The only heat you took at the time was from Auspice (Our full-time Mage) and then myself as I came oop - and my sciences where messed up from the word go as I had to come out fighting in defence of our Mage as no others where around to offer assistance

- had there been the required support and I been able to come out of oop with my Sciences intact the story would have been rather different and you would most definately have felt the heat. You all had a head start on me and Phinn was, as far as I could see, still farming up when I came oop @6am on the 24th/4.

I have commended you guys on your teamwork but don't now become vainglorious or over-inflated, the story could so very easily have been very different.


22:48:02 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

This whole time, you weren't the ONLY kingdom we were warring either. Always a kingdom hitting us in a hard to defend area whilst we had to hold you guys off that whole time. 

If we go into what ifs, we could also say what if we didn't have three from wolfpack ((whom you guys were napped with from the beginning, so functionally, they may as well been with you guys)) and then two from Rome on us once you guys napped them while we were finishing off wolfpack.


Wolfpack- Off the bat, started building a counter blocker by us and caused Phinn to fight during his early farming. Whilst I had to hold the lines against you guys alone, for the most part. 

Rome- Ceaser and Triijant, before one defected to kingdom hearts and the other got sideswipped and ditched by most of his kingdom mates. (yes, we finally cf'ed then napped someone, because we saw they were in a lame situation)

Mercury- Mercutio attempted pony raids on us.

Alemanian Empire- We did some preemptive strikes on them, during our war. 

You guys- Yes, I've bounced horus' armies twice, so saying he wasn't there much (I'll give you him not being there OOP, but he was there soon after. You napped Rome fairly quickly. lol)


No, not being cocky... we had a lot on our plate and both sides have "what ifs" 

Biggest counter to yours is what if you were truly the only one we were warring too?


00:29:29 May 25th 11 - Mr. Actonix:

It's funny the way some people look back at events and make it out to be so different than it actually was.

Please get your facts right my friend, yes, we may have been napped with Wolfpack, happened before I came into existence - when I joined LR you and Muse where attacking us in our core, you had taken a city or two, that was why I had to pump from 30 ticks to oop to come out and chase you back out but by that time you had caused damage to Auspice who, by the way, was the only one you were battling from LR at the time - so don't talk about taking any heat, you were the ones giving off heat

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When I came oop and succesfully chased you guys back out was when Muse came out with his Hysteria army - obviously my pumping troops had caused some consternation.

And yes, WP had put a blocker up while I was still in protection and your only way out of your core was into us which presumably was why you both where there - but you were the aggressors, get that fact right, no ifs or buts - you were letting off heat, not taking it, you where the ones doing the hitting, at least till I came oop and even then there was 2 of you to just me then - I can post you my plea for assistance as your attacks had taken their toll on Auspice by then and he had effectively expired - and apart from putting a blocker up Wolfpack did not, at least to my knowledge, do much else.

Horus was busy on his own with Empire and the other 3 were up North.

And to call Phinns farming early is a joke, when did he come oop !!?

... he was still farming while I was battling you and Muse - and you can forget the what ifs - you had an easy time of it when I came oop purely because my sciences were effectively messed up by the war you had heaped on your plates - and that mess up of my sciences was your saving grace as it carried right through to this point so count yourselves lucky, one does not easily recover from messed up sciences especially if there has barely been a break at the warring.

And don't bring Horus or Racer into it as they both had quite a journey to come down to assist - you were talking of the period when KoH was taking the heat from Racer and you were dishing it out - not taking it, so please ... hush it.


01:24:01 May 25th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

"It's funny the way some people look back at events and make it out to be so different than it actually was."

Yes it is, as there is a few things wrong with your story as well-

"you and Muse where attacking us in our core" This one I could be wrong on, but I believe that was only muse, after you guys took the town he attempted to build outside our core. Jakee only came in response to that.

"to Auspice who, by the way, was the only one you were battling from LR at the time" Morgawr and Dur's armies that were sent in support count for nothing? And Mad was casting on me during my invasion of WP too, guess that doesnt count either.


"And yes, WP had put a blocker up while I was still in protection and your only way out of your core was into us which presumably was why you both where there - but you were the aggressors, get that fact right, no ifs or buts "
Wolf pack failed several raids directly oop and immediately began building armaments outside once it failed, in addition to malicious casting as all 3 were attempting to wield magic. Just because we were on the only one with visibly successful action doesnt mean we were first. ;)


"And to call Phinns farming early is a joke, when did he come oop !!?

... he was still farming while I was battling you and Muse"

Wow, no bro. I had prepped my 90k while training (I came oop with 15k hammers) and wolfpacks aggresion forced me to drop what I could of it, effectively bringing it up to 47k.  Then I immediately went into war mode and wasnt able to finish it until I got decent plunder from one of their mines in WP territory o.O 

If I had purely farmed, we would be dead.


02:02:51 May 25th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

What I dont understand is why you bring this up. All Jake was point out was Edd's logic that Arthur (who was late and solo) didnt have an excuse when Arthur (unlike Edd) survived oop without rebuilding. Just because you have the excuse that all you men were not fighting, doesnt change the fact that we started as 3 surrounded by 2 napped kds, one of equal numbers and one of 3 times greater numbers. Yet, we too survived, even after we killed WP and when we finally thought we had you the orc from Rome (now in KH) invaded causing my attention to be pulled completely off your front,. and this was long after racer and Horus were on it. Dont pretend we had it easy just because you guys supposedly did not use your full potential.

Action bro, I grew alot of respect for you in our talking over the era, but what you are saying is effectively an "excuse" no better then Edds which makes his statement to Arthur all the more invalid and hypocritical. 

I site page one where Edd said-

"we we are wrecking our cities but we will take as many as you guys out with us. No point in fighthing a loss cause. " 

We, in our situation fighting more then 2 people couldve easily had the same attitude but choose not to. Much the same, had Arthur have had that attitude, there wouldve been no point for him to spawn with his goal as originally intended. He did extremely good considering.


04:11:37 May 25th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

whoa whoa i never restarted i was the only one in the area of KH to survive the first wave.


04:58:36 May 25th 11 - Mr. Mad Max:

Why is everyone talking about the past? :P It doesn't matter how things could have been different, we just have to make sure that they're different next era.

But just for the record. AT attacked us first. And we got a NAP with WP when they were the strongest KD and we only had 3 members. Next era I'll make sure to get popper relations accordingly.


07:00:24 May 25th 11 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

Who wants me in their kingdom next era?  It was fun doing a solo run, but I don't really want to do it again for a while.  Either that or I could do another 2-man kingdom with someone who will be active ;)


07:20:15 May 25th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

Hope you find a solid kingdom.... don't go with the hordes though!


07:52:18 May 25th 11 - Mr. Mad Max:

You can join us Arthur, we'd appreciate the help. ^^


10:17:45 May 25th 11 - Mr. Actonix:

lol - Morgawr and Dur both joined and came oop long after me. Doh, I won't bother going through it all though a lot more can be said but I've said enough, not worth my while, shoud suffice to say Edd was on about a specific timeline but Jake and now you are appear to be time-warping.


11:08:02 May 25th 11 - Mr. Mad Max:

It's not that hard Actobix, it's just a jump to the left....


11:31:17 May 25th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

How are we time-warping? lol Not that long after OOP (I guess "long time" is open to ones own opinion) horus and others came to help you. Even before that, we were knocking back Wolfpack as well, and even ate them while holding off/fighting/warring you guys, whatever you wish to call it. Before we finished wolfpack, I remember you guys starting to move more men to our front. By time we were done with Wolfpack, Rome came in and gave us trouble. At this time, you were mainly focusing on us. (napped Rome, "agreement" with Eddo, and not exactly close to any other enemies)


As for Phinn farming up forever, we got sent a message by syg... "OOP war?" lol... so yes, Phinn had to train troops before OOP and he had to stop short and make mini drops on his 90k and didn't finish it until later out of OOP, while we were deep into our war with Wolfpack, to where I had to hold off alone, for the most part (there is one instance where Muse goes against my advice and suicides on horus' blocker, but... lol can't really claim that he made a *decent* impact at all, until later into the era)

As for what Edd went on about, he just called "no excuses!" when Arthur said he didn't have magic. Which is silly, because Arthur had a rough position with no blockers and late to start, Eddo. :P

Halfer magic is more expensive than troll. lol


14:34:02 May 25th 11 - Mr. Actonix:

04:47:31 May 24th 11 - Mr. Eddo:

well dude i had the same problem! im tired of sayng this but we had to fight Lr well mostly racer who had a much much earlier start oop but i still managed to get high lvl magic =) so no excuse for you

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05:14:33 May 24th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

No excuse for him? lol Dude, we took most of the heat from Leather Rebels. and oh me my, you had to deal with Jellybean too. Hard work. ;P
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Get your time-line right and it will all be good - At this point in time you could not have been taking any heat from LR whatsoever, I reiterate, you were dishing it out - Racer was still North and Horus was on Empire and I was just coming oop - end-off - you can talk about a later time-line if you wish and any other point in time but at the point Ed was talking about taking the heat from LR you could not have been taking nada - unless Horus and Racer were at two places with the same force at the same time and I additionally had somehow come oop way before my time - and I would figure if all that had happened everyone on this map would be up in arms crying game-hack.

I am not in anyway supporting Eddos statement re Arthur, actually IMO Arthur had a rough enough time of it and his position re: Sciences was justifiably so especially as he was really all alone but you still cannot belittle what Ed says by claiming you took the most heat from LR at the time - Ed had to contend with both Jellybean, Werewolf and Racer - all you had to contend with from LR at this point in time was Auspice, the Mage.


15:36:28 May 25th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

O.o Wow, you must be so specific with all the terminology in this thread, one would think you were trying to predict protein structure by sequence or something. Are you talking about like, the first hour oop? Because most people I know of refer to the first day or two of being oop as the oop state of affairs. Or else an "oop war" wouldnt last more then an hour >< I havent been playing very long and I already picked that one up.

Your timeline difference is so quirky, you cant really say he cannot belittle the statement. kh was still in their original settle spot when more then auspice were fighting us, rendering everything you are fighting to get across pretty much mute, no matter how much fine tuning you want to apply to the details >< I still maintain that he was only fighting a lost cause because he believed it to be so. Jakes main point (I think) is we in our situation not only the first few day oop but the entire era is proof of that.  I dont want to get much further on the matter, but this is especially true considering he was playing defense (which the current game mechanics favors heavily) in addition to the two he was facing were 1- a freshly oop(sorry, I dont note the timeline so closely, I cannot give you exacts to how long) dwarf not farmed(major lol there) and 2- someone who is more concerned with the manliness of their units rather then sound tactical reasoning to the point of squandering two, if not more chances to obliterate us later in the era but foolishly not seeing and/or not seizing the opportunity when it was there.

Anyways, Mad used a rocky horror picture show reference already, in which there is no counter for. You guys won the debate with it already by default :P

oooooh, now I have to talk these guys into a theme for that so I can be Tim Curry's part XD


16:01:15 May 25th 11 - Mr. Mad Max:

a Rocky Horror Picture Show performed by an all gaia cast, huh Phinn?? lol.


16:10:31 May 25th 11 - Mr. Racer:

Oh god too many timelines lol Im sick of it. Point is, AT congrats on really bouncing back. I initially thought we had the upper hand but there was so many holes in our core and you guys found them pretty quick and basically took us down good. Perhaps we can face again in round two ^_^


16:48:52 May 25th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

I will avenge Foggledon, you bastards!


17:36:49 May 25th 11 - Mr. Eddie:

what the heck are youguys talking about tough start for arthur? He wasnt fighthing anyone when he started. He was far far away from anyone else on the map. He was farming at the begining. He even attacked us when we scaped to that side. He had all the time in the world while we fought Rome that we actually came down south to fight him.....


17:38:11 May 25th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

"a Rocky Horror Picture Show performed by an all gaia cast, huh Phinn?? lol."

-What can I say? I like my dirt >:) May have to go with a different race next time now that you know what to expect :x

"Oh god too many timelines lol Im sick of it. Point is, AT congrats on really bouncing back. I initially thought we had the upper hand but there was so many holes in our core and you guys found them pretty quick and basically took us down good. Perhaps we can face again in round two ^_^"

-You guys arent dead yet. . . . . . . but thanks. Sincerely. It was a great fight thus far, Im not sure I have had this much fun in a single era. 
I honestly must say Im  humbled by your statement beyond words.


17:58:13 May 25th 11 - Mr. Phinn:

"what the heck are youguys talking about tough start for arthur? He wasnt fighthing anyone when he started. He was far far away from anyone else on the map. He was farming at the begining. He even attacked us when we scaped to that side. He had all the time in the world while we fought Rome that we actually came down south to fight him....."

Bro. . . . did you look at his core before writing that? No one in AE or Mercury were orc or troll. Where do you think those type of visuals came from? o.O He started something like 3-5 days late and was on the most fearsome list almost right away and was on there for ages before you made a run at it. The stats dont lie.

And actually, he went and fought Rome too, long before I saw any closed gates of Rome's overtaken by you guys in the north. 


18:59:13 May 25th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

Dude like i said he attacked us when we were scaping over there and took our cities. that guy was and is far away from anyone right now except alemania empire which he allied and was not even created back then. I didnt see one bit of war between him and Rome. Of course he was on most fearsome he was taking everyone's cities away even hours. He had no struggle at all and had a great start until he started warring us.


19:29:45 May 25th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

"I didnt see one bit of war between him and Rome. "


I hate assumptions made when you can't see the whole damn map. He came in and there was some fighting between him and Ceaser, at the least. You even said yourself; you can't see all that goes on in our little corner of the map. so you wouldn't have seen. But it happened.

By the way; good show, with taking in a traitor of Rome's. lol :P


19:40:03 May 25th 11 - Mr. Eddie:

That's true even i told him that before i accepted him. But he was a good member of my kd in the past and pretty loyal too and because of friendship i took him in despite my view on accepting people from a kd that was losing. that seemed like a cowardly act and i hate kd hoppers to save themselves. But like i said he was my friend and so i did an exception.

On arthurs side i saw exactly what he did cause like i said we had cities there that he took. We werent hostile at all and we saw how he was in no danger at all but he chose to war and therefore it wasnt that he had a bad start he chose it to be that way.


00:55:56 May 26th 11 - Mr. Arthur Dent:

"what the heck are youguys talking about tough start for arthur? He wasnt fighthing anyone when he started. He was far far away from anyone else on the map. He was farming at the begining."



No... I didn't fight a kingdom of course, I did get lucky with that placement.  I fought an solo person.  That doesn't mean I still didn't have a rough time.  I had to prepared cause that guy could have been even better than me and he had a 1 day head-start.  I don't care who you are, but if you start next to someone who is hostile and has had a day more to prepare than you, then you've gotta prepare to defend yourself OOP.  I took ONE of your cities Edd, it was right next to my core.  I killed my enemy OOP.  Then I built mines and allied with Mercuttio (I had planned on attacking Mercuttio, which is another reason why I didn't go magic because he had a lot more cities than me, and I needed military), because I thought I could use a mage.  Then I sent everything I had and went to attack Rome/LR.  At this time I saw that KH wasn't actually dead and I sent my entire army back to my core to attack them, which was a good thing too because KH had just launched an attack at me.  And so on and so forth.  So no, I never really attacked a kingdom off the bat, but all I've been trying to say is that going magic instead of mining and military would have been a bad move, because I was kingdomless and had to fight an OOP war with someone who had more prep time than me.


04:01:13 May 26th 11 - Mr. Jakee:

Not to mention the insane cost of magic, for halfer.... *double* the cost that trolls have, so in Arthur's situation, it was either mili or magic. lol :P


04:19:38 May 26th 11 - Mr. Mad Max:

80 mil for lvl 9 magic and I hardly get to use it. :P And you killed my Dragon. :(


04:35:53 May 26th 11 - Mr. Racer:

Oh and my good mining city is gone. Destroyed to bits. Well Im basically done gents. Have fun lol


04:56:59 May 26th 11 - Mr. Edd The Reborned:

giving up is not the answer.


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