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Era of Bill: Mantrax Wars 2
23:50:34 Aug 18th 08 - Mr. Onex:

okay, this'll probably be my last post in the forums about this era in mantrax.

  I like how no one ever means this crap when they say it, they're just trying to get in the last word by trying to call their post the last word. :D


02:38:12 Aug 19th 08 - Mr. Leoric VI The Mega Farmer:

Lewatha, as per Jones, I have confirmed with Squiddy that we DID NOT openly accept a defector from your Kingdom, so unless this person started a new account or is no longer with us, I can find no proof to your story. Not giving a name only makes it worse.


03:59:34 Aug 19th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

Not that its any big deal now, and just so everyone knows, I left Retribution, and will not be joining a KD for the remainder of this era.

Lewatha,

I will correct a few statements if you don't mind, yet most of your statements appear correct from the Retribution point of view.

Soon we came OOP , and The Gladiator, a dacian, had settled an armory next to our core after he had sent a NAP offer which we had ignored.

Gladiator did not "settle" an armory, he took over one, Osiris's armory that was supposed to have a very good OOP army.  Next was A$$ Lickers and after that I forget.  I too also lost 2 mines to Dacians, yet I inflicted some damage as well as a MilS 0 Elf.

a member of Retribution, whom I shall not name, had left the kingdom and joined a potential enemy, trio...

I don't have a problem saying who it is, it is Alban, who has done this over and over.  I even sent out an IGM trying to start a pool on when he would jump, and to whom.

The whole of retribution was really mad at Predators at the time, a vote was held wether we would try to NAP Elements and kill predators,  or stay CF'd to preds and fight elements and trio.      Unanimously everyone in retribution decided that we wanted to see predators dead, no mather what........

By whole you mean Yourself, Osrisis and A$$ Licker right?  From what I recall some of us thought this was wrong ,going against the CF/NAP, and Retribution did have that one guy that joined, then went after Preds, right before this Naum guy did what he did.

Dark Lord Osiris

kd hoping during era is never the best option

Your right, yet sometimes it is the only option when being belittled and treated like a slave from someone who is drunken with power, and desires to be coveted at all times.

Wolflord Karac

I talked to you, and lewatha about it. You told me you had no idea what is going on, so, butt out. Lewatha told me everything, and posted that everything should head south. NO ONE moved, except kilroy, who, through all of this, still has all of my utmost respect.

I found myself in a bad situation, so, i removed myself from that situation.

My troops are better served with a kd that will actually fight.


Your right Karac, and I am one of those who did not provide support, and have no excuse for it either.  Yet I just want you to know that even now Sapro just moved his 1M man army onto an allied city to reduce his income, and claims that the "refresh your map to move this army" bug is not allowing him to do anything.  Really only you and Kilroy had/have any substantial armies doing anything at this time.





04:02:17 Aug 19th 08 - Prince Sprout:

Its A game enjoy it just a little guys :p

 

   OMG I AM A KD HOPPER!!!!!!  PLease dont ruin my good name in a war game where all is fair and any tactics go!!!  U guys need to figure out what Kinda game U are playing :P

  U win some ... u lose some..... Sometimes U may need to mix it up like Karac and I did this era by joining Roc to secure a shared area and make the most of what we had left to fight with.    So complain about campers and complain about kd hopping .. But dont Complain That we still fighting like warriors do!

  Gamers Game for fun... ITS NOT REAL!

God Speed!


04:05:57 Aug 19th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

Sprout, you and Karac I do not consider "KD Hoppers", at least from my point of view.  The view I have of one is one who jumps from a losing KD to a winning KD, and so on and so on.

Keep on fighting Warriors!


04:15:23 Aug 19th 08 - Wolflord Karac:

Thanks Wyzer. I knew you were rebuilding, and from my point of view, a kds only elf should not be a fighter, but a mage, so, i do not blame you for no troop movement.

 

I appreciate the kind words, and support wyzer.


04:41:00 Aug 19th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:

Leoric, Lew is talking about Alban as the "Ret" member, much like you I never really considered him a "Ret" player ever, which is why we're both confused as to who she's talking about.

I don't consider half the people in my KD at the moment as actual Trio members, (no offence, and im sure if the opportunity was available then I have no doubt a lot of you would become proper members), but to say he's a Ret member after him playing with you for like.. a week tops? Mhmmm, nah.

P.S. Anyone that uses a googled "fail" image is a complete loser.

P.P.S Why is it that so many KD's we fight disband near the end of the era?


05:17:02 Aug 19th 08 - Duke Felix Tha Housecat:

P.S. Anyone that uses a googled "fail" image is a complete loser.


Squiddy, don't be upset because I won't give you your blowjobs anymore :(


06:55:42 Aug 19th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

Your right, yet sometimes it is the only option when being belittled and treated like a slave from someone who is drunken with power, and desires to be coveted at all times. <---- who exactly would that be?


08:35:00 Aug 19th 08 - Pirate Lewatha:

By whole you mean Yourself, Osrisis and A$$ Licker right?  From what I recall some of us thought this was wrong ,going against the CF/NAP, and Retribution did have that one guy that joined, then went after Preds, right before this Naum guy did what he did.

Kilroy, asslicker/condinho, Sapro, Karac, Grim , Me were for trying to get relations with elements.

No-one was against, not even you objected, you just casted no vote.

 

and we did indeed have that bias guy, and he was immediatly gone when we saw he was a traitor.


10:39:41 Aug 19th 08 - Mr. Bling Bob:

Buy I never screamed andkickeda hissy fit at him. I just killed him, same as im doing now


11:41:05 Aug 19th 08 - Mr. Khalifa:

lews post I asked Predators for help by telling them that if we and RoC died, They would certainly be the next. So, Predators, came slowly to our

LOL very nice how many times u said we never asked preds for help vs trio looool.


12:13:50 Aug 19th 08 - Mr. Bling Bob:

Matrix begged for the same against trio till they got pawned...people keep asking for preds help then dissing them on the forums


06:35:19 Aug 20th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

Dark Lord Osiris

Your right, yet sometimes it is the only option when being belittled and treated like a slave from someone who is drunken with power, and desires to be coveted at all times. <---- who exactly would that be?

That would be you, Dark Lord Osiris, in case I was not clear with the "That would be you" part.  I even mentioned this in the thread that Lewatha says below that I did not reply in.  I am sure you, or at least A$$ Licker read it, and then deleted my post as I laid down the fact that breaking CF/NAP is very dishonorable, and was upset that it was even being considered.  I even stated that you and A$$ Licker were killing moral with your statements, demands, and just plain actions, and was tired of the both of you blaming everyone for your loses. 

When I asked you in IRC if you read my statement, or just deleted it, you just told me that is why you are a "Leader" and everyone else is to follow, then you went on about how "Mod" this and "Mod" that, and I got bored of hearing you talk about the one great thing in all of VU.......YOU!

Pirate Lewatha

By whole you mean Yourself, Osrisis and A$$ Licker right?  From what I recall some of us thought this was wrong ,going against the CF/NAP, and Retribution did have that one guy that joined, then went after Preds, right before this Naum guy did what he did.

Kilroy, asslicker/condinho, Sapro, Karac, Grim , Me were for trying to get relations with elements.

No-one was against, not even you objected, you just casted no vote.

Read that thread again if it still exists, and check your IGM's, if you kept them Lewatha. I wrote a very pointed message in the thread about breaking CF/NAP, as you also included RoC as a "sacrificial lamb" just to obtain the possible CF/NAP with Elements.  My post was deleted, and I even commented on the fact that is was deleted, in the same thread,.  I even wrote you an IGM stating that if you did not delete my post, then Osiris or A$$ Licker did, and you said you didn't, yet you did not ask me what I posted in that thread.

 

and we did indeed have that bias guy, and he was immediatly gone when we saw he was a traitor.

That is true, I was just stating that Preds and Retribution had something in common with this issue.

Now I wonder if this will be deleted as well, and the thread locked?


06:49:57 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Mcmax:

Mantrax is indeed an interesting world......


06:59:32 Aug 20th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

right wyzer clearly you know nothing about leading a kd. i didnt read your post no so clearly i didnt delete it. and considering attacking that preds guy wouldnt have been breaking cf/nap you are ju*beep*ll of crap. dont like following orders? go join a kd that doesnt give any and see how far they get


07:05:37 Aug 20th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

Well I was asked to, and have been vice several times, and at this time I have 2 offers on the table.  So no maybe I can't lead a Kingdom, but I know how to work with them, and the members of it, as well as the other Kingdoms on the map/worlds.

Orders are one thing, being a down right SOB and making threats, as you have done in this thread, and belittling is not "Orders".  Its just mean.


07:11:13 Aug 20th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

and considering attacking that preds guy wouldnt have been breaking cf/nap you are ju*beep*ll of crap.

I was talking about the fact that it was asked if RET should break the CF with Preds, and NAP with Elements.  I was not talking about that "traitor" situation being the point of the CF/NAP break.  It was posted quite clearly what I was talking about.


07:24:25 Aug 20th 08 - Duke Felix Tha Housecat:

I know Wyzer and if he can't work with a kingdom then it's definitely not his fault :)


07:31:29 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Peacemakerofdoomwowowowowowowo:

mm, WHY AM I SO BORED... BORED
really bored
really bored
really bored
really bored

really bored
really bored



WUT SHOULD I DO@


08:03:20 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Chi:

Alt-F4


08:40:55 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Duca:

Pulsating to the back beat
The Blitzkrieg Bop
Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go
Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go


16:34:19 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Earth:

We accept your surrender.

If you wish to hear our conditions, please post here and express your desire to surrender!


16:52:05 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Khalifa:

surrender ??


17:32:25 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Basch:

.


18:29:01 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Duca:

Earth, were you talking to me?

If so, I appreciate your offer but I am a Pred and unless my Kd surrender, I'll win or die with them.

I pasted some lines of one of my fave band's song because i recognized some tactics that reminds me of some that were famous during the WWII.

PS: There was an extra "some" that couldnt be erased by editing the post :/


19:05:35 Aug 20th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

wyzer no offence but ranting about how badly everyone is doing when infact we were being pwned by 1 orc with gaia is no out of order its bang on. and considering ive been in quite a few top kds im pretty sure my method works.

Canceling a cf with preds would have been due to them sheltering someone who had and was going to ATTACK US. k? i suppose if i joined your ally for protection you would just go Oh ok thats fine we give up.?


19:27:53 Aug 20th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

Osiris, no offense taken, I know it is just your style, it is just too much shyte to fathom.

Well that one orc player with is 100ish Gaia army took your armory first thing, and moved onto other targets with ease as well.  Yet you, and A$$ blamed everyone else for it.  If your method worked so well, then why did this Gaia army take your armory first thing OOP?  If I remember correctly, your method should have netted you about 2K in troops OOP?  I know I was losing money feeding my army as market food was about 1.5G/food at that time, and IP members do not give free upkeep.  My army was 2.4K Ghosts at the first tick of OOP, and I lost this army trying to help out Might.

Top Kingdoms can be a lot of things, and do a lot of things to get there, it does not mean all its members are top players.

From what I could see from the RET side, Bob accepted this player not knowing what he did/planned.  When he tried to make it right, it just got out of hand, and then Naum was KD'less after that.  Its not as if Preds guided this player, or could have canceled his actions, at least from my point of view.  I remember getting several IGM's myself from Preds saying they would make things right, and offered cities, and from what I could tell this went to most everyone in RET.  I don't fault that a KD wants to stay alive, yet to sell out RoC, and break a CF/NAP is not the way to do it.


19:41:35 Aug 20th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

from what you could see. well you couldnt see bob threatning to wipe us off the map for daring to want the city back and then bragging about preds invicibility and how we couldnt win. and no way did 100 gaia take my armoury if they did they must he on steroids. and if you had botherd to read the post i ranted at EVERYONE. i didnt deny the fact i suck oop as i just cant be online at the right moment i did however still manage more troops then most of the kd who farmed, those with armies were excused as i said. Top kds dont all have top players no but then i like to think finishing top 10 a fair few times and leading the era with 15 ticks to go and losing out makes me a cut above avg and makes me belive i know what i am on about.

 

First era of a kd you need to rant moan and *beep* to see who has the dedication and who just wants to sit on there ass doing nothing


21:13:48 Aug 20th 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

Well I did not receive that information, but thats not to say I was supposed to anyways.  I was basing my opinion off what I saw, and the unrequested IGM's from Pred members talking about reparations. I guess those Gaia were on steroids.  Where did I say you only ranted at one person, you ranted at everyone, but yourself.  Unless the "I wasn't online when I came OOP" is the rant at yourself?

Well I finish low, that is for sure, as I have only ever worried about the score of the KD, if that was what the KD wanted.  I usually keep my land under 200K, and when it comes to final pushes I tend to wreck cities to reduce my training costs.  Just last era, I dumped about ~140K of land to train a good number of Nazzies at the best discount.

Well that is your thought on how a KD should be ran, yet I think you lost a number of good players on account of your and A$$ Lickers actions.  I know from my experience open discussion and defined wants and needs lead to a good kingdom.  Sheolic was that way, and LDK was too before its last era.


21:53:58 Aug 20th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

i dont think we lost many good players. we only had a few to begin with. LDK has always sucked so dont know why you even mentioned that and sheolic well that is nothing like ret. We had players who only wanted democracy and to farm, i guess you cant remember the post if you think the I wasnt online is the only thing i posted about me. you may call it ego but i call it using my experiance from founding a kd and taking it to the most powerfull in vu for a few eras and very good for many more to help form Ret. if you dont agree well tough cookie im afraid it isnt a democracy.


22:03:55 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Helium:

In the beginning LDK were all from total new players, only leader and 2-3 more had exp. And as new kingdom they showed real good. All thanks to that leader.
But sometimes kingdom can be good without true leader. In elements we are all vices as you can see. It's democracy without president. But to be like this you must trust and know all the players in your kingdom.


22:21:42 Aug 20th 08 - Sir Revenge:

LDK were known as BDE before they were made

Black Dragon Empire

And they owned some world which was quite nice, they changed their KD name etc and then got owned on Mantrax

Somethign Something...

Mass recruited, Lost in a war Versus Abydos { I was there!}

Abydos break the blockers, in come chanrging LGC and take some of our war spoils.. *Cough* , though they had also been working on LDK... but still :P

LDK and W met an agreement and are know WOL

---


22:54:24 Aug 20th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

if elements can play and succeed on fant like that good for you but mantrax means jack


23:01:20 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Gravity Kills:


   I was at that battle , Abydos was to the north of LDK  and LGC to the East .  Abydos had a way over powered mage that basically immobilized all of LDK leting them train up the troops to fight back .  If not for that Mage Abydos would have been over run by LDK and the era would have gone another direction entirly ...and yes LGC did ninja Abydos's spoiles .


23:05:15 Aug 20th 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

Abydos would have been run over? ROFL sorry but damn thats hilarious. we had a strong mage and many strong players with more exp in warfare. LDK would not have won


23:16:22 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Gravity Kills:

   That Mage single Handed won that ....regardless of LDK haveing alot of Nubs ,,,, i agree with what you say but i still think Aby would have been overun , we will never know .  

                                


23:18:48 Aug 20th 08 - Mr. Gravity Kills:



Ooo speaking of Flash backs here is a nice one .



00:33:12 Aug 21st 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

LDK were known as BDE before they were made

Black Dragon Empire

This is the KD in which I started.  I was no longer a part of LDK when they fought Abydos, as the trouble with the King was getting beyond reproach.  He was not bossy or egotistical, but would just rush into battles poorly prepared.  I.e. not enough MU support, etc.

00:38:57 Aug 21st 08 - Prince Sprout:

Id be glad to surrender to elements Earth.... Aslong as i still get to attack trio :p

 Tired of every time i gain on them I see elements coming to help :p

 Good Game

 god speed


01:15:22 Aug 21st 08 - Mr. Khalifa:

Ur full of it sprout u and ur tribe are out so no need to talk *beep* when did u ever gain anything in the soulth ??


01:40:05 Aug 21st 08 - Prince Sprout:

Maybe U should look in south :p

And yeah elements has been ther for u just about every time:P

ME and my tribe wtf u think I am a indian? lol I dont die nor will I fall to a kd like trio:P  hehehe maybe to elements.

 I will say trio has shown alot more effort the lasrt week or so :) I know cause I have killed like over 300k of ther troops myself:P and lost some to them aswell .. just few tho :p

 Good game regaurdless i say mantrax was a successful round :p

God Speed!


03:00:29 Aug 21st 08 - Praetorian Wyzer:

I will make this my last comment on our differences Osiris, as I am sure this can go on forever.

i call it using my experiance from founding a kd and taking it to the most powerfull in vu for a few eras and very good for many more to help form Ret

See in my understanding and talking with Lewatha prior to joining Retribution, was that she was in charge, and my understanding with her was that this was more of an "open" Kingdom, one were members could make suggestions, help in planning and strategies, etc. 

Yet it appears it is your Kingdom, and I spoke with the wrong person, on account when suggestions were made, and even plans laid out, they were "vetoed" by yourself or A$$ Licker, and then no plans would be laid forward to do anything.  So if you want to call me a "democracy farmer" then so be it, yet people who have played along with me know the real player I am, and that is what I let speak for me.


04:26:41 Aug 21st 08 - Mr. Jones:

A few things Sprout...

1. Who in Elements has been there for us all of the time? As far as I can tell, almost all of Elements armies are at the upper left of the map fighting ROC or at the upper middle of the map fighting in Preds core or on their way to those positions. You are in the lower right of the map, so to say that Elements has been there every time defies logic.

2. Indians live in India... not in tribes.

3. 300k troops by yourself?... you shouldn't assume that because you've lost 300k troops fighting us, that we would also lose that much from attacking you...

4. You clearly can't back up any of your claims. Otherwise, you would have  provided some evidence to support your delusions of grandeur.


04:28:54 Aug 21st 08 - Sir Charley Statler:

Mr. Khalifa

Report


8/20/2008 8:15:22 PM

Ur full of it sprout u and ur tribe are out so no need to talk *beep* when did u ever gain anything in the soulth ??

*Looks at the map*

1..2..3,4,5....6 im counting at least six cities and hes about to take #7. 


04:48:12 Aug 21st 08 - Prince Sprout:

U know jones U sure dont know about much going on in ur kd or what?

I have lost like 5k nazi to trio and that about it ... I lost near 25k nazi to elements. I can prove the troops I killed as ur mates will admitt it like 41k axes i killed the morning or the 80k troops killed on my over here or how about the 80k i killed at house with only 1800 nazi ??    Ask ur mates.. The few active players in trio that have killed my armies please do post I bet u guys cant come up with even 50k including my mages.  Please post how many u guys lost ... LOl u guys know who u are.. lol I know I miss all those armies ;p

 

 I'm not tring to fight or start crap jones .. U are the most active and prolly one of trios best members. I respect that u fight and dont camp! We played a good era.   Those that know me .... :p would say for sure that I wont BS u about what I have done or killed or been killed .. I am a player that will congrat a fello player when beaten!     


05:12:58 Aug 21st 08 - Mr. Chi:

Jones how can you even think of talking smack this era?  Your KD has had alot of help and alot of pressure taken off you from other KD's.  Not saying you dont deserve to be in 2nd, just saying you have no right to be trash talking, IMO


06:16:53 Aug 21st 08 - Mr. Onex:

 Trio does deserve to be second, elements wouldn't have been able to make the moves they did on ROC and Preds by themselves, since ROC, Ret, and Preds have been teaming the whole time, some have even switched in between kingdoms to make it easier. We were put in a crappy position, all of our members were not in that core that the preds took over, making our power spread out to begin with, the we tried to fight ROC and preds at the same time because we thought elements would make it up a little sooner, once they did it was a huge help, but they were really to far away at that point. As for you sprout, you've fought well, but you can hardly compare loss of nazzies to loss of axers, and I know for a fact I've chased you away from my mines before, you used bonus turns to run as fast as you could back to Mcmax. If we came down full force on you three in the south it would be over quickly, but we're concentrating on more important things, what does that mean? It means we dont give a rats @ss about your little nazzies playing around in the mines, as soon as a big army comes by, you'll use up some more of those bt's and run away.


06:37:07 Aug 21st 08 - Mr. Mcmax:

I like that.

TRIO does deserve to........

 

 


06:48:47 Aug 21st 08 - Prince Sprout:

Hey smart person knows when to retreat as u said nazi arnt cheap :p

lol trio :p


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