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Fantasia 73
18:25:06 Dec 9th 20 - Princess Joan of Arc:

No it was like 2.5 mill or something.

So he's not trying to lower it for some reason 
He would then sell 100k or so... not millions.

There is no food on market now.
The maximum price of food is 2.5
Selling under that just means losing money.
Simple as that.


19:03:10 Dec 9th 20 - Lord Jellybean (Mr. Crixus Prime):

Theo is a fun player, not everyone needs to min/max


19:05:31 Dec 9th 20 - Dragon Prophet Theophilus:

I've tried to explain this before.


I lack the ability to be as active as others. I don't do bonus turns. I've almost always been outnumbered by enemies by a factor of 15 or 20 to 1.

If I put the price at a level so as to deprive the ability to native (a strategy that a disproportionate number of players depend upon) then I can garunteed that my food or whatever tends to get bought first.

Almost all of my market play is to block the native prices or make them so low as to force actions out of the norm of people's typical strategy over the past few years.

Chaos, however small, is what I appreciate. I like being a catalyst and forcing reactions or actions that deviate from the normal rythm.

That is all. I don't derive enjoyment so much from outmaneuvering armies but rather from stirring the pot in one way or another. 

If you can't grasp that after playing with me for years, then I don't know what to tell you. 

Any era that gets the usual players to do anything different is a win in my book.

If I have to be a martyr for trying to induce variety, so be it.

Theo is Lawful Neutral. Always had been. The characters behaviors are predictable. The goal is to induce the same outcome each era. Dragons. 

Dragons are as close to random chaos as I can achieve.

This character does not deviate from the above. If that makes it an enemy to your character, you know where to find me. Usually in the middle.


19:06:53 Dec 9th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Glenfiddich):

Aren't you more Lawful Chaotic?


20:19:38 Dec 9th 20 - Mr. Bigfield:

Lawful and Chaotic share an axis. This is between predictable behavior and unpredictable behavior. The character behavior is predictable.


Good and Evil share an axis. I am Neutral.

An adherence to wanting elements of chaos and acting consistently to that end is technically lawful behavior as it is predictably following internal laws that drive that action.

For intend and purposes, you can consider the character an NPC.


20:21:13 Dec 9th 20 - Mr. Bigfield:


Princess Joan of Arc:
The maximum price of food is 2.5
Selling under that just means losing money.
Simple as that.


No. It means exchanging some of the money as the price of forcing someone nativing into buying my product or losing money on a lower native price.


20:40:53 Dec 9th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Glenfiddich):

Almost all of my market play is to block the native prices or make them so low as to force actions out of the norm of people's typical strategy over the past few years.

Chaos, however small, is what I appreciate. I like being a catalyst and forcing reactions or actions that deviate from the normal rythm.

That is all. I don't derive enjoyment so much from outmaneuvering armies but rather from stirring the pot in one way or another. 


In that case you're Lawful Evil? Since Lawful Neutrals favor Law & Order, whereas you are attempting to shunt the "natural order" by attempting to take advantage of it.

Lawful doesn't necessarily mean your laws, but rather the laws in the society/community in which you inhabit.


20:47:43 Dec 9th 20 - Princess Joan of Arc:

Nevermind me, when I posted the question on forums I realised who I was talking to, but it was too late to delete it all.

I forgot for a moment your whole gameplay is to build cities for people to easily take and to lose money on market so that other people can lose money as well. And you say when that happens your goal is reached.

You kinda think of yourself as a "neutral" kingdom, thinking its cool to have a different kingdom than all the rest, the rest who work on getting better in the game, teaching new players, and improve gameplay over time, which does not happen to you in all this time you've been playing. People do not consider you as a "neutral" kingdom, but just a guy who builds cities for people to take. 

By the way, not hating at all, just giving you an insight on what people think when they see you on the map. But like you said before, you enjoy that kind of gameplay, and that is whats important as long as you're enjoying what you're doing, go for it. I will just not bother with thinking you try to improve in the game but just take your cities on sight like most do.





22:06:25 Dec 9th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

$2 per food is a good deal; I wonder why you complain about this Jas. If I had plenty of food, even if I saw someone selling higher, I may try around this price, too. It's a bit of risk to depend on food for cash only. For 2.5 you find short term buyers. For $2 you may be lucky to find a wholesale hungry dwarf buyer.


I see no issue here whatsoever. This is the risk when you try to control markets. Your staff may not sell.


22:08:32 Dec 9th 20 - Dragon Prophet Theophilus:


Konstant:

Almost all of my market play is to block the native prices or make them so low as to force actions out of the norm of people's typical strategy over the past few years.

Chaos, however small, is what I appreciate. I like being a catalyst and forcing reactions or actions that deviate from the normal rythm.

That is all. I don't derive enjoyment so much from outmaneuvering armies but rather from stirring the pot in one way or another. 


In that case you're Lawful Evil? Since Lawful Neutrals favor Law & Order, whereas you are attempting to shunt the "natural order" by attempting to take advantage of it.

Lawful doesn't necessarily mean your laws, but rather the laws in the society/community in which you inhabit.

I'd always understood lawful to mean an internal law, rather than some sort of community laws.

Upon looking it up, it would appear that I was mistaken and I am on the Chaotic side.

In regards to Good vs Evil, my character never initiates a fight. Thus, I would not be an evil alignment.

I would be either Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral, depending upon who is asking.


22:10:50 Dec 9th 20 - Jesus Left Toe (Lord Jesus Left Toe):

What are you people talking about. 2.5g per food is obviously a good price point, as i bought 1.5mil at that price. It is far cheaper than i could make it myself.


22:13:01 Dec 9th 20 - Dragon Prophet Theophilus:


Princess Joan of Arc:

Nevermind me, when I posted the question on forums I realised who I was talking to, but it was too late to delete it all.

I forgot for a moment your whole gameplay is to build cities for people to easily take and to lose money on market so that other people can lose money as well. And you say when that happens your goal is reached.

You kinda think of yourself as a "neutral" kingdom, thinking its cool to have a different kingdom than all the rest, the rest who work on getting better in the game, teaching new players, and improve gameplay over time, which does not happen to you in all this time you've been playing. People do not consider you as a "neutral" kingdom, but just a guy who builds cities for people to take. 

By the way, not hating at all, just giving you an insight on what people think when they see you on the map. But like you said before, you enjoy that kind of gameplay, and that is whats important as long as you're enjoying what you're doing, go for it. I will just not bother with thinking you try to improve in the game but just take your cities on sight like most do.

You know where to find us.


10:33:05 Dec 10th 20 - Lord Caedus:

It's incredible how such a small gaming community can get so toxic because a player does something they don't agree with. 


I've been playing for well over a decade and I still haven't learned the game fully. I enjoy the KD / team aspect, not the unrelenting stats. I just have it running in the background of my work PC for distractions here and there. 


12:14:21 Dec 10th 20 - Mr. Khalid Ibnal Walid:

You know me Caedus, we have been in Albatross for many months, giving the best we can, resulting in defeat every time, but it was fun and we always tried to do things better. 


Most people will want to improve and be better every new era, yourself included cause I have seen you ask for advice in forums in kingdoms we were together in recently. No matter how inactive you are, if you give your best and learn from mistakes you are good.

This is just people trying to get Theo to get better at the game, given just how many years he has been playing. He is a great guy, this is only about skills, been in HnS few eras, Jas was there as well. No hard feelings about him as a guy, he is cool. This is just an attempt to suggest what to do better, while Theo does things his way which happens to be money losing way. 

Moral of the story is: stop trying to help Theo


14:45:27 Dec 10th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Flavius Valerius Konstantinus):

On another note:

Aloy the lapdog came to us for a NAP. When we told him to go back to pleasing PDC, he found a new special someone to call master.

@MAD Members - How can you be part of a KD that is ready to roll over to whoever is there? Do you guys have any self-respect at all? I know Aloy doesn't. 

@Glad - How does it feel to be literally allied with the entire map? You're such a pathetic little farmer. Can't take on Zerks full strength, so you beg for an alliance last era, then this era you wait till we killed them to swoop in. Instead of running through MAD, you decide to ally a pathetically weak KD.

Oh yea...*strategy*, blah, blah, *strategic*, blah...blah...blah...

You're a farming coward.


14:56:30 Dec 10th 20 - Lord Jellybean (Mr. Crixus Prime):

Why not resolve this grudge by fighting us on the battlefield.. numbers are fair atm.. you don't see us complaining about you being the biggest KD with the most mages & vets 


Unless you think the era is decided and you are definitely going to lose? I don't personally see it that way atm.. maybe if you left dragons alone you'd have an even better chance though, that suprised me


15:07:14 Dec 10th 20 - Mr. Seaweed Capn Salaajar:


Konstant:

@MAD Members - How can you be part of a KD that is ready to roll over to whoever is there? Do you guys have any self-respect at all? I know Aloy doesn't. 


Don't bring me into these stuffs i have no idea about... I'm an Ex-MAD.

If you have issues with MAD decisions, solve it on battlefield.


15:14:22 Dec 10th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Glenfiddich):

I mean, are you a MAD member Salaajar? If not, I don't think it was directed at you.

Yellow Belly, you made your choice when you allied Zerks. You did not see us complaining when you and Zerks outnumbered us considerably. Instead of fighting and having some honour, you rolled over. Go get your scratchums from your Daddy Gladdy.

As for "Vets". A full 26% of our membership are new/10 year absence players. 


15:30:02 Dec 10th 20 - Mr. Seaweed Capn Salaajar:

I meant i was a member of lots of KDs, and also was a part of MAD someday.


15:54:17 Dec 10th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Glenfiddich):

Oh, yea. Well I don't think that this applies to you at the moment. I suppose I should have said "current MAD members". Sorry about that.


16:31:35 Dec 10th 20 - Lord Jellybean (Mr. Crixus Prime):

Christ, what's with the venom.. 


I don't get it.. are you genuinly pissed or just trolling us?


17:26:34 Dec 10th 20 - Sir Aloysius XCIV:

Found this in Google as well as here. 


1. whiner - a person given to excessive complaints and crying and whining. grumbler, moaner, sniveller, squawker, bellyacher, complainer, crybaby. disagreeable person, unpleasant person - a person who is not pleasant or agreeable. kvetch - (Yiddish) a constant complainer.


18:50:41 Dec 10th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Flavius Valerius Konstantinus):

@Jelly
A little of both honestly.

@Aloy
But in all seriousness, I have never seen MAD do anything in an era. Albeit I have only played for ~5 months now, but all you guys do is just sit there and call one KD or another a master. Theo, for all of his non-optimal play has a bigger effect than all of MAD every era. It's a good thing you chose a yellow flag for your KD Aloy because it suits you.



21:58:02 Dec 10th 20 - Jesus Left Toe (Lord Audaciter):

Not sure it's politically correct to use 'Yellow' as an insult anymore... ;O


22:06:55 Dec 10th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

@Konstant


@Glad - How does it feel to be literally allied with the entire map? You're such a pathetic little farmer. Can't take on Zerks full strength, so you beg for an alliance last era, then this era you wait till we killed them to swoop in. Instead of running through MAD, you decide to ally a pathetically weak KD.

Oh yea...*strategy*, blah, blah, *strategic*, blah...blah...blah...

You're a farming coward.

You stupid kid, my Kd's policies are not of your concern. I don't play this game so I help your KD win. You seem too stupid to understand that it is difficult for a KD of 5 to defeat alone a KD of 14 (that includes Bogdan).

I know Gods have been massing troops near MAD waiting for me for kill their armies so you can come take their land. I am not as stupid as you are, you see? If MAD were so weak as you claim, why didn't your 3 armies move to Ryan blocker when Aloy came to fight me, silly?

And you, a noob, are lecturing me on the farming aspect? I do as much as farming I want and train troops the same time I farm. That's part of the game.

Now, get out of here, retard. You keep complaining on all forums, annoying people and bringing a negative atmosphere in VU.





00:17:52 Dec 11th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

@ Aloy


I am not surprised you could find this kid on Google, too; he's the same laughable stock, for sure.


01:26:16 Dec 11th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Flavius Valerius Konstantinus):

Glad, you're a farming nub who couldn't fight a real enemy out of a wet paper bag.

You have to NAP the entire map to even consider fighting anyone. You can't even resist NAP'ing a KD not only half your size, but practically dead already.

Hypocrite. Coward. Hack.

General Glad (9/17/2020 5:53:10 PM)GOODBAD
My friend,

Don't worry about us. Get our land and show higher in HOH era end.

Why sitting there and farming till ear end - let's have some action.

Glad


01:37:34 Dec 11th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

You, silly, still can't understand the reason we NAPed MAD. I sorry for you. 


What are you referring to, there? My willingness to fight Cease Exist 2 eras back when 2 Glads ended in your core just 3 days before era ended? There I meant to get our land if you could, silly. I had enough nazzies to get some of yours, too. You kind of sound, I invited you to feed on my land with yours ghosts? Why don't you post our earlier discussion where you show you looked afraid to fight us? Remember that era though, you where 30 against 10 - and I thought some of you desired some action.

Yeh bark: 'Glad the farmer', I don't mind. That's all you can do.



02:42:28 Dec 11th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Flavius Valerius Konstantinus):

You mean me trying to be kind and welcoming to a returning player so that you can get back into the game?

You're Pathetic.

Just admit that you're a farmer who can't win without NAP'ing the entire map. I'll be happy to leave you alone as long as you stop pretending that you have any level of skill.

You (9/16/2020 1:57:27 PM)
So, uh...we gonna be friends here? Or do I need to send a few friends to say...hello.
General Glad (9/17/2020 3:04:07 AM)GOODBAD
It's quite unfortunate that we arrived in your core. We wouldn't mind some fighting when we get out of protection. Perhaps we will be easy bite for your kds army. But that would be fun, too.

I don't really like these deals we we get pampered, but the same time, I wouldn't feel good to be helping Holy win an era that are set to win anyway.

Let me know what your kd leader's thoughts are. Glad
You (9/17/2020 8:28:07 AM)
Honestly I have 120k Ghosts (there from other things) just sitting around spread throughout the cities.

I only suggested that we let you guys be so that you can get comfortable, settle back into the game, and get your econ game back up to speed for next era.

Otherwise I can have 30k Ghosts at every city within 1 tick of your OOP.
General Glad (9/17/2020 5:53:10 PM)GOODBAD
My friend,

Don't worry about us. Get our land and show higher in HOH era end.

Why sitting there and farming till ear end - let's have some action.

Glad
You (9/17/2020 6:59:57 PM)
I can respect that.


02:53:28 Dec 11th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

Ha ha ha, you posted it. I constantly delete rubbish. And I purposely made you do it, idiot, as you were suggesting, I was willing to feed land to someone I didn't even know before. You fell for the trick. If you still don't understand the meaning of my words, look at the era reports and see my armies for 2 days of training.


You are prepared to leave me alone? And who are you? A laughable stock willing to let me alone?

Good attempt to 'cover' your Google description, though, cry-bebe. You are still the Google guy in many of our eyes. Keep it this way, kid. 


11:12:27 Dec 11th 20 - Ryan the Archion (Duke Ryan The Archion XXX):

@Konstant, I found this as well in google.

having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.


19:27:31 Dec 11th 20 - Dragon Prophet Theophilus:

I have never had such a generous adversary.


But at what point an I accused of being Fed?
I must thank the aggressors of the Order of the Flame. The Great Dragon is well pleased that the enemy has filled our coffers with ever increasing bounties.

EDIT: I must be back again. In the few minutes in which this was composed, they have again blessed us.

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21:40:30 Dec 11th 20 - Mr. Khalid Ibnal Walid:

You can’t be accused of being fed when you’re losing money. If price is 2.8 and you sell at 2, you are losing .8 on every sale. Instead of getting 2.8 you get less, losing money. 


You are not being fed, you are feeding people who buy your stuff and resell at average price.


22:23:27 Dec 11th 20 - Dragon Prophet Theophilus:

I have 17.2 million reasons from the last week alone to disagree.


Why would the people attacking me choose to give me that money unless they first had to buy mine up to feed their other players?

If I matched Konstant on Price, they would buy from Konstant.

If I was close enough that Konstant appeared in the market as an option, hey would still by Konstant.

Konstant certainly wouldn't be buying my food if he was just selling it.

He was selling for far higher, and dropped his price from over 3 to the 2.8 range when his goods wouldn't move.

But, as good production is 5x what it was last week, Konstant can buy even more of my food and sell it higher.

I have no qualms in this exchange. I am rapidly, and consistently, turning food into 2 gold every single hour.


16:56:16 Dec 14th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Flavius Valerius Konstantinus):

Of course I saved the msg Glad. Don't you know you're my obsession <3.


21:33:29 Dec 14th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

You look more relaxed. So I take it you finally realize that the war is not that bad for your KD after-all: 14 active veterans against 5 glads, 2 Holy and 3 MaD = 10 fighters. Even after we made peace with MAD. So your loud cry earlier,  suggested you wanted to see a 15 vs 7 fight, with MAD dead? I know you have been used with this numbers: 2 eras back in Fanta, there were 30 vs 10, in Mantrax you have similar ratio against FW. So that's fairness to you, perhaps.


Or maybe because your lack of intelligence, you couldn't see the current situation a few days ago, when you offended both Glads and MAD. How about an apology towards players you offended?


22:09:19 Dec 14th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Glenfiddich):

Oh no Glad, I just said everything there was to say. Don't believe in beating a dead horse.

Aloy is still A"yellow" (see what I did there?...)

And you're still A Pathetic Coward (see what I did there?)


22:16:32 Dec 14th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

Google guy never apologies. And never admits his mistakes. This just proves how little man you are.


So you happy with your war odds now? We are sick of you crying in all forums, hopefully you give us a break for this era in Fantasia.


23:04:12 Dec 14th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Flavius Valerius Konstantinus):

I'll be back later I'm sure; you know I can't stay away from your irresistible presence. 


23:16:00 Dec 14th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

Yeh, whiner, come back after killing another 1k nazzies of mine. I have just realized you are a lonely guy with low self-esteem that seeks constant validation. Sorry for you if you can't get that in RL.


00:28:22 Dec 15th 20 - Konstant (The Ancient Glenfiddich):

Why you running west then Glad? Why don't'cha turn around and come my way again you big talker you.

2,278 Naz & 39,900 MUs dead, just in case you needed that for your records.


02:40:32 Dec 15th 20 - Gladiatorul (General Glad):

A good General chooses his own battles, silly. 


14:13:53 Dec 15th 20 - Lord Caedus:

Well played Gladiators! 


08:34:18 Jan 7th 21 - Dragon Prophet Theophilus:

Most Fearsome Rulers
  1. The Native People has won 1 battles, captured 0 cities and killed a total of 3264 men and women.


13:29:42 Jan 10th 21 - Lord Caedus:

Who is allied with who this era? 


15:35:19 Jan 10th 21 - Penguin (Mr. Penguin The Whatever):

FW and most of the Coz decided that its been too long playing here in mantrax, and we are bringing our merged KD into Fantasia. Forgotten Churchers. 


03:53:28 Jan 11th 21 - The Avail:

Very Good


13:43:15 Jan 11th 21 - Lord Caedus:

Other than Bezerkers killing Dragons off, is anyone at war? This map looks so quiet but I don't have good vision haha


14:47:47 Jan 11th 21 - Teirdel (Sir Teirdel):

Zerkers and Gods Inn are fighting currently.


14:17:24 Jan 20th 21 - Konstant (The Ancient Flavius Belisarius):

Peng. We talked about this. It's Warriors of Zeta, not Forgotten Churchers.

Geesh.


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