Fantasia Age 5

Fantasia Age 5

17:36:44 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Glass Joe:

Dear Mr. Barny
You seriously need to lay off the computer and get a life. Many Thanks.

Soda Popinski
Don Flamenco
Glass Joe

You (2/2/2011 12:12:06 AM)

OMG! Purple Dinosaur NAP Breaker!

Mr. Barny (2/2/2011 12:21:39 AM)

I actually had the attack window up in another tab, when the tick changed I pressed capture. The fact that you joined a kingdom obviously didn't come up.

The great thing about our NAP with MAD is that it doesn't protect you under these circumstances. I was clearly already at war with you and had the intent to kill you, thus you are not protected.

After I finish you, feel free to restart with MAD. If you use a different name, I will talk to Binh about taking you off of the list of players that we are at war with.

Don't bother trying to talk around it, I will once again have the attack window up in a new tab. When the tick rolls around, it won't matter if you have even joined Dark Side (lol we have recruiting Standards), I will be pressing the attack button.

You (2/2/2011 12:34:00 AM)

lol. you are one storyteller. :)

20:03:30 Feb 1st 11 - Sir Mcmax The Magic Warrior:

-->Binh.

You are blind, only looking on the present age. What you and others are doing by casting Arma before real wars have ended or at least shown the winners and the loosers is, that people are leaving this game.

With your attitude towards the game, you will sooner than you want it find yourself and "some" others more-or-less-alone on a Fant-map with an even greater distance to your neighbours. All you can do is farming, see who is fastest to get magic level 9 to cast Armageddon (the only competitive part of the game) and then farm on......

I just say, enjoy yourself. Because I'm not going to use my spare-time for 14-20 days just to build up and then see all "Gone With The Wind". Or to fight OOP against another kingdom just to see some "wise farmers in a fortified corner far away" cast the spell after 17 days.

And above is only for THIS - as we all know, there are more misuses, glitches and cheats "out there" - just in case any shouldn't have got enough.

******

So Binh. This is not a "baby" crying. You know it I'm sure.

20:05:27 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

wow ok enough is enough barney you shut up withYOUR novel texts and every one else quit bitching about armaggedon? if you dont like it all of you gang up and kill the fucker thats why armagedon is only as powerful as the city its cast upon (go capture the damn city and stop bitchin) these arent polotics its a giant bicker fest fuck off all of you seriously.now i would like to know how the wars are going obviously dark side and mad are winning but by how much?

also now remember everyone this is JUST a game (practically dead game so why fight?) you dont like it take out the city or quit the game that will show them, they can play fant all by themselves

20:32:54 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Godzilla:

or quit the game that will show them, they can play fant all by themselves

^^ done

20:37:00 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

nevermind my last post someone has opened my eyes to what the actual point to this argument is and i am one hundred percent backing that person...Fordius

Arma has always been a part of the game.
But the old school players had arma long ago.

Arma was never casted btween respect of the kingdoms for eachother and to finish of the war ( atleast the top kd's )
But nowdays they are abusing how the spell is working by recasting it while people forget about other game mechanics that aren't working propper either.

You can't forget about 1 game mechanic if you are abusing another urself. That's the whole issue really.
Even if it's a game ( the game itself has gone from decent to really bad ) and now even worser cause of certain things happening.

For example if you play CALL OF DUTY online and someone is using a god mode cheat than the game becomes less fun than when you play against fair players.

is there really any way to explain it clearer then that?

21:21:14 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Barny:

That isn't a good way to explain it at all, because a God Mode cheat makes you invincible, thus it is actually a cheat. Repeatedly recasting a spell to prolong an era is not only NOT a cheat, but it shouldn't even be considered exploitative. You say that you cannot forget about 1 game mechanic if you are abusing one yourself, and once again I will assert that recasting a spell to prolong and era is a world apart from actual exploits.

You mentioned 2 things that were pretty good points.

11:05:27 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

... you dont like it take out the city

No one has even thought to do this yet, people act as though the continued recasting of the spell makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the era to ever end.

11:37:00 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

But the old school players had arma long ago.

Armageddon has a long history. At some points in the game it was removed, and at others it was in the game with far different mechanics each time. Want to hear something fucking crazy? The era used to last like 1300 ticks. 54 days, and no one bitched about it. When it was reduced to a 1000 tick era, people complained that the 40 day era is too short. There was very little point in "controlling" the spell back then, so no one did it. Believe me when I say that the players back then were far, far more skilled and creative then the players now. If it were worth doing, it would have been done.

This era has lasted just about 40 days, and people act as though the world is ending and the game has been ruined. The reason people are crying is because they would prefer that the era ended, and they know that the era has the POTENTIAL to end now, but it won't.

21:33:57 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

i think you guys should just stop the arma before you do kill it because ive noticed and got a couple of messages now from skilled players that i knew long,long ago about people quiting so you guys should seriously just stop casting, you guys stopped it from ending prematurely now cut it out, idc (also the era's were quite long back in the day) but what ever you guys continue bickering i put my point in hopefully this discussion can be moved to some other place other then the polotics (hopefully no1 bickers about this) BUT THIS IS NO LONGER A POLITICAL DISCUSSION IT IS NOW ALL ABOUT BUGS BRING IT TO THAT SECTION OF THE FORUMS PLEASE)

21:38:53 Feb 1st 11 - Sir Mcmax The Magic Warrior:

Barny!

You write as if you were a spindoctor.

Even when it is too late now, you are very well aware - and hopefully also somewhat concerned - about the real problem(s). So please.

22:51:10 Feb 1st 11 - Sir Binh The Conqueror:

Mcmax you are the blind one. I never said I like peoples that casted arma to end the era at a time that I consider is prematurely. But that's how it is many eras for us (people keep doing it too early for my liking). Tough luck. I didn't complain/whine/insult on forum did I?

"What you and others are doing by casting Arma before real wars have ended or at least shown the winners and the loosers is, that people are leaving this game."

It's interesting that your argument is actually why we did what we did on fantasia. We control arma because we don't want some wise guy to do the above while we are having a heated war with some of the top kds. Are you saying you want fantasia to end quickly whenever a wise guy decided to cast it early in a farm up fortified corner? We are a warring kd, and we do not want any war to end quickly without a decisive victory. Our intention is at least a noble one even if you "feel" the method is wrong.

And yes, this will be the last arma cast for I do respect some of the opinions of the players in this forum who feel this is a boring era. All you really need to do was talk to me for us not to repeat the cast.

22:52:10 Feb 1st 11 - Ms. Tress Mayhem:

*sniff*

no more fun lol

13:15:22 - The progress of Lets Just Fcuk has been hindered by magic!
13:15:19 - Mr. Hanky Spanky attempted to cast a spell upon us.

23:02:56 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Hanky Spanky:

Failed at 71% unlucky since DS attacks us :s

We have stolen a military science from xxxx, owned by Mr. Stubby and his/her people.

Sterretje, owned by Mr. Stubby and his/her people have now lost one level in magic level.

Sterretje, owned by Mr. Stubby and his/her people have now lost one level in military science.

Sterretje, owned by Mr. Stubby and his/her people have now lost one level in medicine level.

Sterretje, owned by Mr. Stubby and his/her people have now lost one level in mining science.

Sterretje, owned by Mr. Stubby and his/her people have now lost one level in military science.

Oeps.. Some science flow away. Unlucky for you.

23:34:16 Feb 1st 11 - Lady Pink Femmes Fatales:

Unlucky for Mr. Stubby :p

23:39:47 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Barny:

Shit man, I wanted to do that :(

I have been so hard pressed the era to succeed in the positions that I have worked myself into that I have never had the resources necessary to Steal Science any of the players I have killed yet.

Now both myself and my kingdom are finally completely consolidated, so I suppose I will get to do it soon enough.

23:45:14 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Barny:

For the record, the first tick on Fantasia this era where you were able to settle a city was VU day 4325. It is currently VU day 5243. Only 918 ticks have passed. As Binh has stated, this will be the final Armageddon, thus the era will have lasted a total of 1119 ticks; which isn't even that much of a prolonged era.

23:46:50 Feb 1st 11 - Ms. Tress Mayhem:

That spell is another reason to quit playing the game imo. It use to be a fun game even if you didn't stand a chance against the farmed up armies but you might as well put a fork in him now and put him out of his misery.

02:13:26 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

why dont we try and throw in our own rules? like shit zeta gave up.why not have something like anyone casts arma before 1000 days into era all kd's gangup on that one? or something like that?

02:14:55 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Don Flamenco:

Oh My. How I wish people talk like Draiken.

04:14:25 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Barny:

17:13:26 Feb 1st 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

why dont we try and throw in our own rules? like shit zeta gave up.why not have something like anyone casts arma before 1000 days into era all kd's gangup on that one? or something like that?

I already threw that idea out there towards the start of this thread, and even messaged the leaders of every major kingdom about it.

Guess what? Almost no one responded. Then when Dark Side started to control the spell, that's when everyone thought that they had the right to cry about it.

It is for that specific reason that I can't respect half of these people who are complaining right now. Shit, players like Kobuskan scoffed at the idea of the players agreeing not to cast the spell until a certain duration had passed, but then as soon as a kingdom does what my suggestion was trying to prevent, they cry as if the game has been ruined.

04:28:16 Feb 2nd 11 - Ms. Dirt Devil:

The game is ruined. Mostly by people abusing the spells for their own gain. You won the map before the first arma recast. Recasting it again was self-indulgence and wanting to utterly humiliate every other player by decimating them (been there and done that when all worlds were open) . You can say I'm a whiner if you want (I'll admit that I am), but the fact remains you want to use your weight as a kingdom to control the game play by getting a consensus from the other players to play by whatever rules you deem a more acceptable form of game play in lieu of using the spells... quid pro quo as it were. So I retract all my posts saying the spells or bugs are ruining the game.. its the people playing.

04:47:00 Feb 2nd 11 - Sir Horus XIII:

but i'm still not quitting the game over it

05:09:33 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Glasses:

Holding control of armageddon isn't exploitive and/or abusive, nor is it worth quitting the game over. If anything, Dark Side should be commended for keeping kingdoms from prematurely ending the era.

All of Barny's posts on page 2 hinted towards the era not ending, so there is no reason to be surprised about its cancellation.

09:47:45 Feb 2nd 11 - Lord Gilth:

- Barny

1/ You can't compare eras from a while back with current eras. Almost everything changed except for the race and troop names.

2/ If you still want to compare with the past, there was bitching about eras being to long too. At that time not because wars were over, but because wars would never end. At some point, every era ended in a stalemate and people were complaining about the era being to long because only OOP was actually interesting and dynamic. (unless you think a dynamic equilibrium counts too)

Gameplay changed from big epic wars ending in a stalemate to a needle like blitz attacks ending wars before they even started. Right now the eras get dull after about 2 weeks. If you were lucky, you landed close to an enemy and had some actual battles. After that time period, it's a matter of getting an 'unbounceable' army passed a blocker. Do damage, war is over.

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You guys can claim all you want about this era. When the first arma was casted / was ending the world, you had already won the most important battles and there was no one that was going to build up to face you again. All you did was elongate the era in a way it isn't supposed to be done.

Casting the spell and blocking access for other KDs. Recasting it to actually drag an era that is over.

People have no chance to cancel that spell when its casted by the strongest KD on a city in a remote corner, well defended by troops and magic coverage.

If you guys really wanted to have an interesting era, you guys would have continued without casting it. Another KD would've probably casted it to end the era and safe whatever they had left. You then would have a perfect target to focus attacks on, trying to get into an hopefully well fortified area to take out the arma city.

That would've been interesting. Now it was just a cheap way to boost your egos.

09:58:11 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Hanky Panky:

boring.
If you dont want the era to end, you don't cast arma.
if another kingdom casts arma before you want it to end, you work harder to kill them, not exploit it.

your not only boring the rest of the community, your boring your own friends, not smart if you want an active kingdom

not everyone wants to sit at their computer 24/7 with nothing to do, fast rotation keeps everyone hooked and wanting to play

I won't be surprised if zeta removes the spell or changes it at the end of this era

10:02:56 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Hanky Panky:

me i'm a stubborn mardy pr1ck, i like to stick by my beliefs, i believe the era should have ended so i just dont play, i check in every day or so, for pretty much no reason, speak to a few ppz on a rare accasion and wait for the next game simples

11:17:57 Feb 2nd 11 - Lady Pink Femmes Fatales:

was that a facetious clap Horus or a genuine one? :p

I was simply articulating something that I think others were trying to say that I was originally reluctant to think :p

your choice on whether or not you play :p

141 hours for me and then finito

16:37:14 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Barny:

00:47:45 Feb 2nd 11 - Lord Gilth:

1/ You can't compare eras from a while back with current eras. Almost everything changed except for the race and troop names.

While I recognize that the game is significantly different now then it was in the fast, it does not invalidate the points that I had made. Things like era duration have always remained relative constant, and game mechanic changes have not changed the game enough to skew what could be considered a standard era duration. To say that we CANNOT gauge the current state of VU based on it's past isn't just inccorect, it's the exact opposite of the truth.

I agree with some of what you are saying here, but disagree with other parts of what you are saying. At certain points in the past people bitched about eras being too long, and at others they complained about the era duration being reduced. Zeta used to pander to the vocal minorities, so Era duration and Armageddon mechanics changed constantly. Some wars would never end due to stalemates because of game mechanics that don't exist anymore, wars in the current state of the game will almost ALWAYS end due to the ease of CW and the lack of favorable defense mechanics. In the past CW was much harder to cast due to a number of reasons and changes to magic defense, and defending a city was MUCH easier because army vs army battles were decided by OP/DP (thus making attacking a prepping army easier), Bless could double a cities DP, and walls already doubled a city's DP. When you throw all of that shit on top of Great Walls and 0 upkeep for armies in allied cities, you had war fronts that wouldn't move all era. OOP has ALWAYS been the most interesting stage of the era, but these days it is even more unfavorable to fight OOP because of the way land production scales with land the lower cost of land early era.

I agree, the way that wars are fought and the game is played is completely different. Some players were not able to adapt to the complete change in gameplay, and they either became garbage players or left the game. One factor that made wars different in the past was that there was a COMPLETELY different community. There were more active players, and the eras almost always had an interesting political dynamic. As far as actual gameplay mechanics went, wars were usually a slow slug-fest of Merge vs Merge battles, defending of Great Walls, ect. Once a blocker was broken, the war was usually won. On top of that, there were always extreme imbalanced between the races and units themselves that changed every era, but that actually helped to make things more interesting. These days wars are won by extremely active aggressors attacking everywhere at once with small armies, not losing your entire army to a city takeover (which would result in 100% death and no chance to AOTD), and passing large armies over easily CW'd blockers. Whether or not the changes in the way that wars are fought is for the better is a matter of opinion.

"Isn't supposed to be done" is not clearly defined in this scenario. It isn't like experience feeding or bug abuse where you can clearly say that it is wrong and an unintended mechanic. If the community wanted to define whether or not it was acceptable, then it should have responded to the earlier notion to agree upon allowing the Fantasian era to last X ticks before anyone casts the spell. Everyone knows that Armageddon is a broken gameplay mechanic on Fantasia, and it's also an important one. Once cast it is nearly impossible to stop, thus the best way to prevent a kindom that is 1000000 ticks away from you from casting the spell and ending the era is to cast it yourself.

Casting the spell and blocking access for other KDs. Recasting it to actually drag an era that is over.

After the first cast, the era was by no means over. We had beaten Hex OOP, but they had rebuilt. By time it was canceled, we had barely even started killing Abydos. If we didn't cast the spell, then someone from Nomination or Relentless may have done so and ended the era prematurely for us.

People have no chance to cancel that spell when its casted by the strongest KD on a city in a remote corner, well defended by troops and magic coverage.

EXACTLY. This point right here is the strongest supporting claim you could possibly make for why it is so important to control the spell. On a map as large as Fantasia, it is almost impossible to take over the Armageddon city and stop the spell from going through. Every kingdom on Fantasia had 750 ticks to try to take the city from us, and they couldn't do it. Why the fuck would anyone be able to do it in 240? Yocan't, and that is why you need to stop the spell from being cast as opposed to trying to stop it when it IS cast.

That would've been interesting. Now it was just a cheap way to boost your egos.

If you guys really wanted to have a shorter era, you guys would have reacted to us casting it. We probably would have kept casting and cancelling it in our corner to prevent another kingdom from casting it to prolong the era. You guys had the perfect target to focus your attacks on and hopefully get in and take out the Arma city, That would've been interesting. Now it was just a cheap way to complain about an era being played out to it's full duration.

19:18:46 Feb 2nd 11 - Sir Mcmax The Magic Warrior:

Thumbs up for the post by Lord Gilth.

19:20:21 Feb 2nd 11 - Judge Kobuskan:

Thumbs down for the reaction of Barny, too long like always.

19:25:24 Feb 2nd 11 - Puppy Bunny Guard:

When you actually take the time to read it all, it does have some valid points.

At least he didn't use bright colors to highlight the text...... if he would've done that, I'd have to kill him. :|

19:57:45 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Xanatos The Crazy:

yea you know what that ones too long ffs now im going to miss half the frigging argument

20:34:57 Feb 2nd 11 - Lord Gilth:

I'll try to make it short.
Changes in gameplay affecting the length of an era is in my opinion an important matter. You can't expect players to 'evolve' with the game, but at the same time keep the 'length an era should be' the same. An era is over when 1 KDs overpowers / is about to overpower all others. It used to take longer for this to happen and now it happens faster. So eras should end faster.

Resettling has always been almost impossible. With current game mechanics it's easier to get back up to a decent economy but the same people that crushed you before will do it again with nothing you can do about it.

Blocking arma use from other KDs is a broken gameplay mechanic (your words) and therefor abusing it is wrong.

After the first cast, you were steamrolling Abydos. You had access to the west with no blockers or decent armies to oppose you. Lew and Wilber were tied up in a pokemon battle with some of yours. By the time arma would've ended the world, only our 'dwarf core' was left.

You chose to ignore an important word in my text. its casted by the STRONGEST KD. The strongest KD on the map shouldn't cast the spell to increase the era length. They are probably the only ones capable of canceling it when casted by another KD. A losing KD can't barge in to destroy the city. The winning KD can actually do this.

The last part doesn't make sense. People don't want a shorter era. They want an interesting era and there is nothing we could've done to react to the cast.

23:51:20 Feb 2nd 11 - Mr. Panic IX:

05:17:57 Feb 2nd 11 - Lady Pink Femmes Fatales:

was that a facetious clap Horus or a genuine one? :p

it was genuine

00:58:18 Feb 3rd 11 - Mr. Alexander The Great:

Why do you guys type so much, your using so much time to argue about a game on a forum. At least if you are going to argue about the game don't write so much that nobody is going to read it, because really is there anyone who actually read all of that??

06:22:51 Feb 3rd 11 - Mr. Soda Popinski:

I like Alexander the Great! sexytime?

14:19:03 Feb 3rd 11 - Mr. Victor:

What is wrong with finishing the era before you finish arma? And Xantos is right, if you guys don't like it, then maybe the big KDs should go into VU chat and figure out some terms for Armagedon. And if they are broken everyone gangs up on that KD?

05:44:48 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Hannibal The Reborn:

maybe everyone should just stop complaining about this. looks like Hex is just mad that they got beat OOP and didn't have the era restarted right after they lost, so now they're just being selfish, wanting a perfectly well lengthed era to be ended early because they lost early on.

05:49:51 Feb 4th 11 - General Who:

uh dude idk where the fuck u been, but hex had a split core and only a few died, most built a city by the rest of us...go read the forums from day one. thanks.

06:11:21 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Hannibal The Reborn:

then wtf are you complaining about, people are saying that just because we won the first war against Hex, we basically won the era and should have just ended it there with our arma.

from Mr. Gilth

notice that the first arma was casted literally right after we beat only a small portion of the hex kingdom. seriously guys, stop bichin. this era wasn't too long, it wasn't too short. Are you saying that every kingdom can only fight one war, and once they won, they cannot engage another kingdom that is one of the top kingdoms still, and should just sit and either cast arma or wait for the end?

06:21:20 Feb 4th 11 - General Who:

Like i said...go back and read from day one. they were fighting a major war with Abydos. abydos lost... hex was recovering and the rest were fighting mad and like 1 or 2 dark side players..

07:03:04 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Hannibal The Reborn:

seriously guys, stop shitting on dark side, if you would go back and read from day one, you would see that Barney based on an idea by fordius did propose an agreement between all kingdoms that armageddon can only be casted past a certain time.

No One Gave a Real Answer... So everyone, stop being hypocrites and blaming us, maybe we shoulda worked something out earlier.

Of course, Hex will go on to ignore any logic and reason that we present them with and continue to belabor the point that we are all aholes and that we are singlehandedly ruining the game.

Congrats, you have officially won the most whiniest kingdom award.

07:14:23 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Phoenix Rebirth:

Hannibal... What the hell did you read?

General Who was just saying Hex wasn't dead at the time the first arma was cast. How does that count as whining???

07:21:36 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Hannibal The Reborn:

im not talking about him, he makes a valid point that hex was not dead, and I believe him considering that we are still fighting hex now. However, I took his advice, and skimmed through some of the thins that people started saying after we canceled our arma about how we are exploiting the game and bs like that.

I'm saying that we could have all came up with an honorable agreement back then when the first arma was started, even if only the top kingdoms agreed to not start arma until a certain time has passed, and that we are to collaborate to destroy any arma city before that time.

However, Barny's comment was essentially ignored, and that's why i'm pissed that so many people who ignored his idea are now shtting on Barny and DS, and why they are hypocrits.

08:12:21 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Kender The Short:

People are naturally hypocrites. Thats what makes them interesting.

12:13:36 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Hanky Panky:

lol @ hannibal, I don't know about hex whining about alot you just said

tbh i'm really not that bothered, my opinion is it's lame and it bores say 90% of the vu community, hence a dumb thing to do

oop we was not beat, you merely had a challenge, you had to fight five of our players & me who settled two armourys on the edge... i also had armourys and troops on the edge of mad so you also only had half of my attention
mistake this era was relying on others, but we all learn from our mistakes.

This is what barny sent everyone, yet another essay with could have been cut short to 10 lines, less, rather than trying to sound clever.

Mr. Barny (1/11/2011 11:59:24 PM)

As you know, Fantasia uses an extremely large map. When a spell like Armageddon is cast, it is nearly impossible to stop on Fantasia. The spell works fine for smaller maps but it just isn’t balanced with Fantasia in mind. Because of this, every single era after the separation of the maps has ended prematurely for Fantasia. Whenever the spell is cast, it always seems to bring about a very negative reaction from the community; no one likes seeing the era ended so early. We all know that Zeta isn’t going to step in and do something about this, so we as a community need to work towards a solution ourselves.

This isn’t a formal proposal yet, but I wanted to know what you and your kingdom would think about an agreement between all major kingdoms that sets some sort of timeframe in which the spell cannot be cast, something along the lines of “No kingdom shall cast Armageddon for the first X ticks of an era”.

Again, this isn’t a formal proposal yet. I want to see what the major kingdoms think about the idea in general, and I want to hear what sort of terms you would like to see included in this sort o*beep*reement. Timeframe, enforcement, and a lot of things are still up for discussion. I have sent this message to every leader/vice in Abydos, Dark Side, Hex, Mad and Dangerous, Nom Nom Nominion, and Relentless. I will give everyone some time to talk it over (you can speak with one another in the Fantasia Age 5 thread if you want to talk with other kingdoms), and I hope to get back to you regarding the responses in under 48 hours from when this message was sent.

Thanks for reading, let me know what you think!

-Barny

You (1/12/2011 11:46:54 PM)

within 48 hours, i've only just read the message lol

you may know ima just go with the flow kinda person

i only got the message 24 hours after, replying i didnt care pretty much .

15:55:54 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Barny:

Trying to sound clever is different then being elaborate, you fucking idiot.

16:12:22 Feb 4th 11 - Lady Pink Femmes Fatales:

trying to avoid the fact you casted Arma THREE times is lolol Hannibal :p so is wanting to manipulate the way the game is played

16:12:58 Feb 4th 11 - Puppy Bunny Guard:

Not saying I'm a fan of Barny or anything, but any type of agreement or pact like this should be spelled out thoroughly. Like whenever I'm playing the diplomat in a team, I want all the details. lol

*shrugs*

17:21:31 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Hannibal The Reborn:

I agree 3 arma casts is a lot, but considering the length of the era? This is a very average length era. Maybe now everyone should agree on a treaty about arma so we don't HAVE to do this.

I mean, how would you feel if you were in a fierce war with another kingdom, and some random kingdom in the other corner of the map casts arma. It'll cut short on you feeling like a boss if you beat them since you won't have enough time to take all their cities, and if it's a close war, it would end in a stalemate that otherwise would have ended in a victory for either side.

17:25:35 Feb 4th 11 - Mr. Legend:

Hannibal your right. About that. But you can also talk to other kd ldr's about it instead of taking it in controll.

You can arrange some kind of diplomacy between all kd's that you have a voting or something about it.

And when it's broken all kd's should help and take it down.

And Barny chill mate. He's a ginger. They have no soul.

18:42:11 Feb 4th 11 - Lady Pink Femmes Fatales:

maybe ZeTa should delete the spell :p

he did last time everyone b!tched about it

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