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Mantrax wars II
17:31:36 May 21st 08 - Lord Azaruc:

:p don't be, I suck big-time atm ^^


01:51:38 May 22nd 08 - Mr. Plutonium:

Dont know what my optinion is worth - I'm incognito - But the reason we decided to catch FF oop was becouse they where our biggest threat on the map.
We figured we could take them out early with activity and dedication.
We managed, and we also got some help from Cease who where also targeting FF wich made our task much easier.
I have the outmost respect for many players in FF(I also have respect for the fact that one can't always be online 24/7) and that is why I agreed with the rest of my kingdom that we better kill those very players asap.

I'm not trying to degrade Preds here, you are all good chaps who know what you are doing and we are very happy to have a NAP with you. But if we had seen you as the biggest threat we would have tried to NAPed FF isntead of you. Its nothing personal, its politics.


08:38:47 May 23rd 08 - Sir Trogdar Liech:

Due to the Angels odd reason to defend Cannabis, that I have yet to understand, and our desire to remove their scouts from our territory... Angels have cancelled the CF we had with them.

And now, that the Angels are seen with 6,000 troops marching at our lands, the WAR is back on.

 

SPQR vs ANGELS.

Good luck maggots, looking for a reason to try to fight us was a bad idea.... you should just have taken your peace and used it.


09:49:53 May 23rd 08 - Demonic One:

I smell a victory for SPQR :P


17:36:08 May 23rd 08 - Sir Trogdar Liech:

Cannabis are following Angels.. hah.

 

SPQR vs ANGELS & CANNABIS


19:44:07 May 23rd 08 - Ms. Argon:

seems your own game is now being played against you eh?

At a certain moment we had a restarted FF + Cease+ Frumentarii attacking us.. I guess now your kingdom can't use their little feeding technique anymore eh?


21:01:24 May 23rd 08 - Sir Stalin:

Trogdar...you really should stop running your mouth, you are very *beep*y...and over confident!

So once you are wipped off the map dont come crying on the forums, take that where someone cares....


21:13:57 May 23rd 08 - Sir Trogdar Liech:

Trogdar...you really should stop running your mouth, you are very *beep*y...and over confident!

So once you are wipped off the map dont come crying on the forums, take that where someone cares....

heh, I won't have to come crying here, you will just run away screaming cheat like elements are...


21:21:00 May 23rd 08 - Mr. Bling Bob:

I smell a hiding getting dished out by Trog...lol...canabis gonna get smoked...hahahahahhahahah


21:24:31 May 23rd 08 - Mr. Gargo:

nice pun....lol


21:32:15 May 23rd 08 - Sir Engel Van Dood:

How many people want to kill him(trogdar) other than me?????


21:33:59 May 23rd 08 - Sir Stalin:

I dont care what you do, but you dont threaten someone and try to expect them to be your slave and have peace with you..wtf do you think were stupid? your not the only exp person on mant, i got to say that there are more exp ppl than you on mant...so go ahead and keep putting your kd up like you guys are the best because your not...we will see where you will be at bragging when you lose...


22:15:14 May 23rd 08 - Mr. Bling Bob:

How many people want to kill him(trogdar) other than me?????

I dont-I love Trog...so cute and all...cept when he gets mad...then you get pawned...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahhahahahahahahhaa..


22:31:49 May 23rd 08 - Ms. Argon:

Sir Trogdar Liech

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5/23/2008 10:13:57 PM

Trogdar...you really should stop running your mouth, you are very *beep*y...and over confident!

So once you are wipped off the map dont come crying on the forums, take that where someone cares....

heh, I won't have to come crying here, you will just run away screaming cheat like elements are...

you're abusing the market system and you're still losing...


23:00:51 May 23rd 08 - Mr. Bling Bob:

so do FF, Elements and virtually every KD...its not exclusive so dont make that an excuse.


23:14:24 May 23rd 08 - Mr. Air:

frumentarii is using a setup made for slave feeding,  thats all, but they dont seem to do it well so i guess its really nothing to worry about ^^


23:42:09 May 23rd 08 - Mr. Air:

Ms. Argon

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5/23/2008 10:31:49 PM

Sir Trogdar Liech

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5/23/2008 10:13:57 PM

Trogdar...you really should stop running your mouth, you are very *beep*y...and over confident!

So once you are wipped off the map dont come crying on the forums, take that where someone cares....

heh, I won't have to come crying here, you will just run away screaming cheat like elements are...

you're abusing the market system and you're still losing...

Mr. Bling Bob

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5/23/2008 11:00:51 PM
so do FF, Elements and virtually every KD...its not exclusive so dont make that an excuse.

how is she making it an execuse?


00:45:44 May 24th 08 - Sir Stalin:

Kingdoms in Mantrax
Preds Predators 27 Sir Darkmarsbar 159
*beep* Elements 11 Mr. Earth 122
RL Rock Legends 13 Mr. David Gilmour 110
Angels Angels 20 Sir Stalin 100
HELL G O D L I K E 18 Mr. Lord V 68
SPQR Frumentarii 7 Sir Trogdar Liech 61
Dacii The Dacians 4 Mr. The Gladiator 32
CE MID Cease 12 Mr. Cao Cao 29
BLKWTR Black Waters 4 Mr. Haskizzle 24
THC Cannabis 10 Mr. Creepin 14
FF Freedom Fighter 17 Demonic One 6
IPF Internal Primates Forever 1 Lord Primate Meltyface 0


00:52:51 May 24th 08 - Mr. Creepin:

wow were really behind haha


01:10:53 May 24th 08 - Demonic One:

Mr. Bling Bob

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5/23/2008 11:00:51 PMso do FF, Elements and virtually every KD...its not exclusive so dont make that an excuse...



so true...even now when some of us are still walking around, we use the slave market for our own evul purpose...so...stop whining everyone about market abuse plz?!

oh and  Bling...this isn't a flame for once :)
 


01:48:00 May 24th 08 - Mr. Air:

haha nice preds, after farming all era, stealing the spoils of our war, you backstab us breaking the 72 hour warning we have in our nap agreement while we fight 2 other kds, arent you the best ally evahhh :D


01:57:49 May 24th 08 - Mr. Mcgregor:

 Its nothing personal, its politics.


01:57:56 May 24th 08 - Mr. Cao Cao:

We still alive! WOOT WOOT!

You all know Cease is gonna take this era! Lets hear it for Cease!


02:02:35 May 24th 08 - Mr. Air:

when i pointed out that they where moving towards us they stopped :p lmfao


04:52:04 May 24th 08 - Mr. Bling Bob:

Air...you gotta stop smoking that pot son...making you paranoid and dillusional....not everbody wants to steal your citys....as you learned from last era i'm big on burning..farmers dont burn citys for fun...


21:17:04 May 24th 08 - Mr. Creepin:

Air...you gotta stop smoking that pot son...

no he doesnt... keep smoking it! haha


21:49:29 May 24th 08 - Sir Hammer:

For crying out loud people.

Now, raise your hand if you've ever sold some stone for .6 to see if someone sells so you can buy it?

Now, raise your hand if you've seen all the food market below the native buy point and bought it all to sell to natives at profit?

Ok, now raise your hand if you see anything wrong with buying stone at .5 and selling it at .9 so your KD StGr can buy and convert it when he's on. (cause you happened to see it first)

So lets stop complaining about the market.
You cant sell for higher than everyone else sees and be able to buy it.  It's not like prior eras where you could sell at whatever value you wanted.  The market is pretty transparent and obvious.

Also regarding SPQR and Trog.  The guy has a temperament of an Orc (why he's a halfling this era I'll never know) get used to it.

Also, there's really only 3 or perhaps 4 active SPQR members.  Yes we are losing, yes we are trying hard.  But lets call a spade a spade, and not throw stones in glass houses.

I hate talking on forums.  But who's actually fighting Elements and not just tickling them?


22:03:55 May 24th 08 - Ms. Argon:

Do I really need to get an ex SPQR member on this forum to testify that you have indeed abused the market last era, and that you have done so this era too?

 

(incase you haven't noticed yet, I like flaming/critising everyone and everything that moves, please don't take it personal ^.^)


22:11:35 May 24th 08 - Mr. Gargo:

umm....buy low sell high?  does that sound familiar?  and if it was considered an "exploit" or "abuse"  don't you think VU would have done something about it by now?


22:14:27 May 24th 08 - Mr. Atreides:

For the benefit of those that know, could someone please explain what SPQR are doing that is being called market abuse? So far all I've heard is people defending SPQR saying it's normal market stuff and others calling it abuse.


22:23:04 May 24th 08 - Mr. Water:

they are feeding... the nubbie players from SPQR is selling really low price everything for there leaders... like for hammer , trogdar and some else.. when those  nubtards buy that, they sell big prices... understod? buy low sell high.. from kd mates... thats all... maybe there is more...


22:51:53 May 24th 08 - Mr. Pathson:

Nah, its from their rich players to the small 12000 land orc for cheap nazguls actually.  I honestly dont know if it counts as cheating or not but it certainly doesnt seem to fit the spirit of the game Id say.  But thats not for me to decide anyhow.


23:12:44 May 24th 08 - Mr. Gargo:

well...i can honestly say i wasn't privy to this information till people started complaining about it and i asked trogdar directly.  this is techinically my 2nd, era, but realistically my first as i joined the last era with about 15 ticks left, so with that being said, i'm new to all this stuff.

and Elements...didn't i just burn to the ground a city of Water's called Feeding Time?  I'd say that's evidence of you doing the same.  the city had nothing to do with farms btw, it was all houses and mines. 


23:24:26 May 24th 08 - Mr. Air:

and Elements...didn't i just burn to the ground a city of Water's called Feeding Time?  I'd say that's evidence of you doing the same.  the city had nothing to do with farms btw, it was all houses and mines.
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he was merely making fun of SPQR ;)


23:41:14 May 24th 08 - Sir Engel Van Dood:

I must say for only having 3-4 active members Frumentarri is doing a great job.

 


23:52:22 May 24th 08 - Mr. Gargo:

sorry, e-humor is kinda lost on me....  and from the negative vibe on this thread...i just assumed it followed suit


00:10:34 May 25th 08 - Ms. Argon:

Lmao, a city name means we feed...


00:56:30 May 25th 08 - Sir Engel Van Dood:

What do you feed a city????? Peasants???? Troops????? Random buildings????


01:41:53 May 25th 08 - Mr. Gargo:

fire from the sky!

 

but it gives bad indigestion though....


02:02:19 May 25th 08 - Mr. Atreides:

Mr. Water

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5/24/2008 4:23:04 PMthey are feeding... the nubbie players from SPQR is selling really low price everything for there leaders... like for hammer , trogdar and some else.. when those  nubtards buy that, they sell big prices... understod? buy low sell high.. from kd mates... thats all... maybe there is more...

Well then, it's an obvious case of feeding. What's the discussion about?


02:17:52 May 25th 08 - Sir Hammer:

"Do I really need to get an ex SPQR member on this forum to testify that you have indeed abused the market last era, and that you have done so this era too?"

I don't mind if you get someone Argon.  I also don't mind if you or they or anyone for that matter thinks is abuse (except Zeta).  But, it's not cheating, it's not abuse, and it certainly is fine.  Why?  I'm glad you asked.  Because we spoke with Zeta on MSN on four occasions.  He didn't feel it was against the rules nor abusive of the system because everyone has equal chance to buy what's on the market.  We are not tricking the game into creating a higher price or false lower one.

It isn't a case of city swapping, making an entire KD of new accounts to feed your KD when you take them over (seen it), making new accounts in you're own KD under protection as blockers (:cough: you know who you are), I could go on.  Simply put, until Zeta asks me, tells me, informs me, suggests to me differently, then I consider the market open for use however people chose to use it.

A KD is about people doing what they do best and each playing a part.  Orc battle, Halflings farm, Dwarves mine, Human's if done right StG better than anyone, etc etc.


03:10:39 May 25th 08 - Mr. Pathson:

Im new this round (like gargo I never made it out of protection last round) so I am wondering...what is city swapping?

Is that like what you guys did?  Wild west let the city "Six Shooter" be taken over by Cao Cao of Cease and then an army called "Thanks" belonging to Scar of Frum took it right back?  I didn't see it as a problem personally but you mentioned city swapping as if it were a borderline cheating type thing and this made me think of when I watched that unfold.


04:07:22 May 25th 08 - Mr. Gargo:

actually....i'm not sure what that was....


09:05:10 May 25th 08 - Sir Hammer:

no that's not the same.  The city swapping I was talking about involved plundering a warehouse city, etc etc


14:46:31 May 25th 08 - Mr. Plutonium:

Anyone who has played this game long enough know that Zeta doesnt punish people for abusing the system(Smiths, anyone?). But he has on many occations tried to fix the market to make what SPQR is now doing impossible. Yet with the walls gone slave-feeding has become viable on lower worlds. I'm not crying out for SPQR to be punished, I'm crying out for fellow Mantraxians to sell slaves at high prices and keep an eye on the market so they can scoop up the slaves when SPQR sells them back at low price. Some hours ago a kd member of Elements managed to buy almost 93.5k slaves @ 50 gold/slave. Had we not realized what they where doing we would never had kept an eye out for that and they could have transferred millions over the market. I dont think we catch all their sells but we've defenitly made it alot harder for them - and that is the only reason why they are loosing. This means they have transferred or where trying to transfer:

85gold(counting current marketprice, they could probly get more)*93500 = 7947500 gold transferred to an orc.

7947500/8500 = 935 nazguls.

Now, thats 1 naz per slave transferred. We dont know how many slaves have gone back and forth but we're pretty sure they have managed to transfer some money. Had they been left alone on the market they could have done that several times every day, just two successfull transfers would have made them the most powerfull army on the map. Interestingly enough, that is the size of some of the armies they have thrown against us:

Leaving Dodge from Mr. Wild West
Gaia:2
Hammerthrowers:27
Ogres:0
Shamans:0
Nazguls:911
Peasants:0

Dorian from Mr. Gargo  <--- this was after a RoF
Gaia:16
Hammerthrowers:1373
Ogres:0
Shamans:9477
Nazguls:759
Peasants:0

Could be a coincidence, but I think not. Either way, Air picking up those slaves costs them 8mil or makes it impossible for them to continue feeding wich means they are done for. I like the fact that SPQR dropped the bull*beep* and admitted what they are doing instead of lieing like you've done untill now.(I have long PMs of particulary Hammer lieing untill his tongue was black). Anyway, it was fun playing against you. Hope to see you again next era!


15:02:33 May 25th 08 - Mr. Plutonium:

I ment 1 naz / 100 slaves transferred ofc.


15:22:15 May 25th 08 - Mr. Water:

pluto .. ah seems u dont have a life writing this *beep*ed story...g/e.t a L,,,IF3 ;D.. to much free time u have buddy ;)


15:22:16 May 25th 08 - Mr. Water:

<3 double


16:09:25 May 25th 08 - Mr. Plutonium:

Took me a whopping 3 minutes to type that down. Thats why I got the naz/slaves wrong. Not saying I have a life though.....(I dont)


16:16:31 May 25th 08 - Demonic One:

can preds hurry up already with killing me off?! I'm getting bored here on mantrax...how hard is it to kill a restarter ffs!


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