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Messiah, if you concider that a NAP, what you you concider a MAP/MDP?

I think the web of NAPs and MAPs between some Fantasia kingdoms are pretty much well known by now. The thing that is most surprising to me is that Zeon who only shares a "CF - hostile relations" with Nemesis, would sit idly and do nothing as Nemesis leadership plants half a dozen multies in their kingdom, and then attacks them with those same multies.

Even now, given the chance of possible revenge, they choose to go arma instead of paying Nemesis back. For a "top 5 kingdom" I guess you would expect Zeon to be more.. whats the word again? Vengeful?

Reginald. What is your defenition of language?

NAP is not an absolute term, it can go from the abolishon of war between the two where one part give intel about the other etc to intelsharing between the both, blockeropening, coordinition, helping out against common foes.

MAP is just a NAP where said helping agains foes is mandatory. But a MAP is not absolute either, for example, Music/BoW/Zeon have common relations, but that doesnt need to be the case in all MAPs.

And so for CF, my defenition of the term is what I stated above, and if you want I can try to define the word defenition.

[19:08] talia: you cast arma when i wanted to.

Natalia, you posted in our forum that your magic science was 8... how could you cast Arma, then??

LOL this is funny seeing so manny ppl make a fuss about me making a mistake in my intrepetation of a word.

i Admitted i made  a Mistake there. so No big fuss needed.

SO no sutch thing as Bending the meanings for me Rock Hard Reginald.

@ Sun  Yes that Does mean carnage attack's whoever we attack. and the other way around.

then why arnt you attacking zeon/music/bow?

You could ask why Carnage isn't attacking LGC/DB too...

Some things just are :P

"An example of a CF would be the Christmas truce in WW1."

Personally I think this is one of the coolest things that has ever happened in human history.  It was just really cool, i'm glad you reminded me of it.

That we must die ;)

-Rob

Mr. Sun Report 9/27/2007 2:08:49 PM

Crazy Xuaron Report 9/27/2007 3:01:21 PM lol Seems that ive made a mistake there LOL Lets start over again LOL In that case. Yes that kinda means were Naped till we Defeat/CF/Nap, DB/LGC and in that case were Maped whit Mad and Carnage. you are what? MAPed with Carnage ? Does that mean carnage attack whoever you attack ;P   Mr. Asystole Report 9/27/2007 3:47:02 PM I don't see any of the northern KDs attacking LGC either so should I assume you guys NAPed them too? Just face it, you're not getting anywhere trying to incite things between Nem and ZEON by flaming here. Maybe you should look within your own KD as to why your war didn't go that well instead of making excuses. Thats a bit..... bending the words around...... nobody is trying to incite riots for nemesis and zeon.... my own KD? we like warring, so constantly warring put us at a disadvantage when a much bigger opponent comes to interfere. (MAD would've disappeared off the face of earth if you did not interfere twice already, but thats beside the point, and i am not flaming you or mad for it. war is fun and cruel at the same time)

Sorry..I went a bit inactive lately...but this too much:):). Dude...wtheck?!....you are completely out of your mind. In my opinion you should take a break you too..you playing too much.

I think DB would have been in a much worse situation if...and I say If....my nazuls army would not have been pushed back by the timely action of Legacy. Not sure you realized all your mines would have fallen...in no more than 3 days).

Similarly to what you said.....I personally like war "like the bread"...but when a much more experienced Kd (Legacy) interferes against my wars (DB) :(....I am at a disadvantage clearly:(:(....and I feel very disappointed....muaaa..sniff sniff.

Enjoy this last few days before next era...dude.

@Mastro Geppus

Indeed u could've have done a lot more with that 7k naz army at that time. However u decided to be a wimp ;) to be too carefull so u gave us plenty of time to deal with u. I hope u can admit that Nemesis kinda blocked us from attacking u further atm, which would have pushed u back far.

Yerean, you are a very low level here. I have many friends who are linguists and they would all agree with me(not on the defenitions, but on the defenition of language and the word defenition etc).

Natalia, you are such a drama queen. You know nothing about loyality, and you know nothing about leadership. You said that you where going to try to stop arma, we took you on your words. Then again, one should never do that should they? Take you on your words?

lol @ The masterbrain Orc from MAD (aka Mastro Geppus)

If you knew how to use them your precious nazguls, I agree we would've been done for ... that is one point of sun his message he posted. Without Kahn and the help of Nemesis you guys would probably be done for :) I don't want to sound arrogant or anything, but you can turn it however you like ... Yu wuld 'v bin duwn fooow'

@the MAD mastermind orc, its funny that you trained less nazguls for a month after than the nazguls you trained in the first 7 days. i expected better from you!!!! you have GREATLY disappointed me!!

hey but khan didnt disappoint me ;) it is fun dealing with super army at times :) at the expense of some dead brain cells -_- it's been a lot of fun already ;)

Crazy Xuaron Report 9/27/2007 6:45:23 PM

LOL this is funny seeing so manny ppl make a fuss about me making a mistake in my intrepetation of a word. i Admitted i made  a Mistake there. so No big fuss needed. SO no sutch thing as Bending the meanings for me Rock Hard Reginald. @ Sun  Yes that Does mean carnage attack's whoever we attack. and the other way around.

i think this doesnt make any sense... a MAP means mutual aggression pact, and you two KDs should attack the same targets...

but carnage is warring bow music zeon, and nemesis isnt,

nemesis is warring lgc and db, and carnage isnt.

i dont really see this as a MAP, which KD can carnage and nemesis war together? nothing.... its more like a NAP to me.....

Asy, seems like we're back to reiterating hashed out points.

"If LGC and DB aren't skilled enough anymore to take on 2 similar sized KDs, one of them new, that's not Nemesis's problem. "

I presume you're talking about NMS as the new kingdom? No, NMS isn't new. It seems full of mantrax whores and ex-Abydos, correct? In any case, it isn't two "similiar sized kingdoms":

We warred PKS, Carnage and MAD out of protection. NMS did no such thing. NMS explored and NAP'ed all nearest opponents for weeks, meaning it explored, quite literally, to 300-400% our strength. We certainly have the skill to beat you. That isn't up for contention. But for a kingdom to fight absolutely nobody for weeks, and to then jump on two other kingdoms that are but a fraction of its power, already in the process of fighting 3 other kingdoms? What do you expect?

Whoring + Allying everybody + Jumping on two kingdoms already warring 3 others, and are minute in size = Certainly not an achievement.

"After you guys were done with MAD, we would have been targetted next as "explorers" or something. Carnage seems to be doing fine despite the early warring. Why aren't you?"

The calibre of kingdoms Carnage are fighting are in no way comparable to what we've faced. We faced a kingdom who was given an opportunity to grow to a grotesque size, un-molested by any other kingdom. Carnage also seems to be facing kingdoms facing their own internal issues, and while I don't contend Carnage is a good kingdom, our two situations are most definately incomparable.

"Pretty sad this excuse making and slander. Why can't we just say good game at the end of an era? I think it's due to arrogance, and nothing more."

Because that's entirely the point. People don't think it's a good era. When LGC has won in the past, LGC strived to make the era enjoyable. I remember eras where prior to DB's existence, we'd make absolutely no allies and take on the entire map, encouraging warring, discouraging exploring. What you've done is a diplomatic/economic victory. It is hardly skilled, I expect any kingdom, even Zeon in its current troubles, could pull it off. But what's important is, people do not like that kind of game. In the Golden Age of VU, such tactics were spat at. Sadly, standards are falling.

"Surprised any KDs tolerate LGC/DB's lies from people like Roxy. 1) Falazar was not part of Nemesis leadership and 2) Prove to me that Nemesis leadership was "in" on it. I could make up all kinds of wild accusations"

Falazars main account was in your kingdom. If I remember correctly, Falazar was (last era? the one before? It happened recently, anyhow) behind those multi accounts that were in Abydos, in which they managed to attack targets from, quite literally, across the map. And for that, he and his multies were kicked from Abydos, and his antics were made public.

Now, seeing as a large proportion of your kingdom are made up of ex-Abydos, why else would they take him in, other than to use his "expertise" as a multi? None of you can deny you knew what he was up to, or what he had done. Ignorance isn't a playable card here.

Weird, didn't you quit VU? if so pls quit the forum as well. I will tell you this one last time ... YOU SUCK!

Damm I press F5 and there is like 10 new HUGE posts :P

*goes reading*

-Rob

As I said before, if you guys were going to take it personally that we were attacking from a lucky starting position....Nemesis would have rather NAPed you and moved onto another KD. We don't want eternal enemies or grudges, it's just a game. But unlike most KDs losing a war, it doesn't seem you guys wanted that. Instead you wanted...what? Us to suicide on the entire map so your 2 KD alliance could double team us later on?

As for Falazar, I am not sure. I think he repented and we did keep close tabs. When the market behavior became suspicious, we were the first KD to report it. I still have no idea what the motivation behind all the multis and scripting was. Wouldn't it have been a lot better to have the dozen accounts in Nemesis itself? If we were truely in on it that's what would have happened. We would have had the power to fight on every front with the way they played. The answer is that they were simply self interested, in getting into all KDs possible so that one of those multis could explore to the win. There were deletions in Nemesis, BoW, ZEON, Russians, even Carnage.

Asystole

Maybe you should consult the rest of your kingdom before you post?  Since you're saying you would have rather nap'd us and WE didnt want it?  First of all you never offered you invaded us while we were warring 4 other kingdoms. And secondly your kdmate just said your entire plan was to fight us so which is it?  twisting everything around in the public forum again eh?  just like your questions about your relations you cant seem to answer this one straight either.

Quietone Naping all these KD's wasnt our Intension. But we have more KD's around us than LGC/DB have had. Fighting all would have ment our death.so we Naped a Cople of KD's Fought the rest the onese that are left now are the once were Naped whit. And now im only talking about our position.

As LGC/DB only has Carnage/Mad/Nemesis close. that is a huge diference than
LGC/DB/Carnage/Zeon/Bow/Music/Mad We couldnt Nap only Zeon coz thay only accepted if we also Naped Bow and Music so we did. Let us Now End this Debate about Nothing. Stop the insulting On both sides coz this wont help eighter side

Crazy Xuaron Report 9/28/2007 10:33:15 AM

Rock Hard Reginald U Realy think we didnt War OOP than you are wrong. we attacked and killed: LDK, ELF, RS and some other Smal KD's that were in our core. But i must agree that was nothing compared the Carnage War. We could have attacked Mad But our objectif was to attack LGC/DB from the start So we Naped Mad coz thay were already Fighting DB. We didnt fought Zeon coz thay were Way to far at that Time. we were having War whit Rusians at that time.

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Let me summarize what you said

1. we are surrounded by too many, so we have to nap a few including zeon, and to nap zeon we must also nap bow and and music by zeon's condition. this forces us only to fight lgc/db since we are also nap/mapped with mad.

2. fighting lgc/db was our very first intention, and we cant fight zeon b/c its too far away.

am i the only one, or are these completely opposite claims?

lol

Asystole you dish out insults you need to be able to take them

and yeah you do have relations with everyone on the map just freaking own up to it already geez

As i said  i never had any plans on participating in this thread but you could not help to isnult my kingdom in your weak attempts to defend your naps and maps....it is not my kingdoms fault that you didnt earn your top spot that is your own downfall and you should admit it and own up to it rather than trying to manipulate the relations conversation into a slander DB or LGC campaign.

Mr. Sun Report 9/28/2007 7:02:07 AM

@the MAD mastermind orc, its funny that you trained less nazguls for a month after than the nazguls you trained in the first 7 days. i expected better from you!!!! you have GREATLY disappointed me!!

Well, I am not being sleeping and eating on VU as you did. Anyway, you change your mind pretty swiftly....so I really dont care with what you think;).

I just wanna remind you what you said a couple of weeks OOP, when my army was happily running over your cities (ok, you assumed i bought BTs a true lie...but please read the rest before laughing at me..now that I am pretty inactive:)

Mr. Sun [DB] (8/29/2007 9:45:08 PM)
just to let you know - no matter how many BTs you bought, your placement of armies, MUs, MTs, and construction of GT's, its all f*king brilliant. although buying BTs ruins the game, its flawless tactics such as yours that make this game so interesting - not only do you have power (BTs or not), you have wisdom - no matter what move i shall make, as long as you are online, you can counter it with mobility or magic or the sheer strength of the almighty army. you put time as your weapon, space as your shield, magic as your pawn. you are one true chess mastermind. checkmate for now, my friend. but lets not be overly optimistic here! even the best chess master make mistakes moving the pieces at times. now if (only) you did not buy any BTs, you would be the best commander and tactician in VU

Guildmaster Drenthinio Report 9/28/2007 3:13:18 AM

@Mastro Geppus   Indeed u could've have done a lot more with that 7k naz army at that time. However u decided to be a wimp ;) to be too carefull so u gave us plenty of time to deal with u. I hope u can admit that Nemesis kinda blocked us from attacking u further atm, which would have pushed u back far.

Duke Mielo Report 9/28/2007 4:29:07 AM

lol @ The masterbrain Orc from MAD (aka Mastro Geppus) If you knew how to use them your precious nazguls, I agree we would've been done for ... that is one point of sun his message he posted. Without Kahn and the help of Nemesis you guys would probably be done for :) I don't want to sound arrogant or anything, but you can turn it however you like ... Yu wuld 'v bin duwn fooow'

Derenth and Mielo....when I said "more experienced" i was referring to Legacy....i can take lessons from anybody...but you guys for sure are no more than my peers;)....sorry to disappoint you.

Derenth..."gave us plenty of time to deal with you"? C'mon...I screwed up your 2 only armories and a couple of mines alone against I dont know how many players....and was coming for your 2 mines left.....you have to thank Rox/Fred/ and coupel of other Legacy if I did not finish the plan. To say my army got pushed back...because I was a wimp..is a bit stretched:)..sorry.

People dont seem to understand here a basic concept: The real cowards are not other KDs that ally themselves against DB/Legacy.

The real cowards are the extended nucleous of veterans that are stuck together and that in the last few eras' have been playing in DB/Legacy.....and that complain if there are massive alliances to balance them. That's the problem...that makes VU evolution and leadership improvements...too sticky. There are people that have been playing since the start of the game that play in the same massive veterans KDs. I dont have any trouble to face them with an equal number of mates of the same level....but you cannot find so many around...as all are attracted to Legacy/DB...or massivily insulted in the forums:)...or prefer RL to VU.

The main reason is that this game require activity and skills....but more activity than skills:)....and it is much easier for everybody to play with the back up of superveterans folks in your KD;).

Just something to meditate....before going round the route....DB/Legacy is just 36 players against million of other players and KDs.

hey im hardly a "vet" here, there are many great vets out there in many Kds.

(p.s. 2 and half era of exp here)

Well, if you claim your own orc did not buy BT, did not stg, did not farm with plundering, how are you training less in a month's time compared to the first week? no matter how inactive you are now, if you only used your income to train, you would have at least a linear proportion of troops now (i.e. 4x more troops trained for a month compared to a week)

there is overwhelming evidence that you are lying. either way, you could've put the 3k nazguls in 1st week at a much better use before it died. Showing up with 3-4k nazgul now is nothing, i expected at least 15k nazgul by now from you....