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Archmages
13:47:59 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Ignis The War:

Is it just me that noticed that every one that has most kill on the hoh is elf .Is unfaire that the Archmages cost only 4k it should be a bit higher


13:56:35 Aug 24th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:

I agree completely with Ignis, when zeta 'balanced' the races last era he forgot to balance the most overpowered one....


14:00:29 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Ignis The War:

Jalal you should know that you friends armie are being slaughtered by a elf


14:08:49 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Jalal:

i know they are... but i am an elf tooo


14:15:00 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Ignis The War:

you agree with that something should be done about archmages


14:22:02 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Dread:

its quite NAGGING obviously the most destructive player pick the race elf...
not the other way around.the hoh will always be one type not becouse elf are so mutch better for killing. jsut slightly better and all players good at destruction pick them...


15:06:23 Aug 24th 09 - Sir Overcome:

bump them up to 5 k each and it would be more adjusted.

Elf is deffently the most powerfull in the long run as it is now. and as they have magic protection, they dont need alot of MU's. witch make them have even better advantage them Orcs


15:19:27 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Billious:

Best troops bar none, coupled with Archers, make Elf the best class from a military standpoint, spells not withstanding.


15:37:24 Aug 24th 09 - Sir Struddle:

shouldnt this be in the suggestion thread or something? Archmages arent completely the best i mean they are good but they can still be killed like everything else i think their price should maybe be raised to 5k but if you do that then also raise the price of Bezerkers to 7 or 8k it would even it out i think. But who are we kidding the real problem isnt with elves anyways its with Orcs and the price of nazzies which is a much bigger problem then elves zeta killed orcs.


15:42:52 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Ignis The War:

japp


18:49:22 Aug 24th 09 - Demonslayer Charley Deallus IV:

It could be a suggestion, or someone just wants to discuss archmages.


20:09:32 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Dragonknight:

what about the catapults 10k for one i think that is a libble bit outragious

i still don't like the price and training time changes it is more difficult to get good lvl soldiers especially for players who dont have that much
 


20:39:15 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Ignis The War:

i know and berserker only cost 6k and they have 35oop while and catapults cost 10k and have 40 oop just think  if you have 20k you can train 2 catapults if you are a human while trolls can train 3 berserkers lower the cost


21:33:26 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Mcmax The Troll:

It have been about dwarf (many eras back), about orcs, about elf and trolls and now again about elfs.

Well, why the heck don't you start learning the benefits of the race you have choosen, using the advantage each race have.

Try to use a race EITHER the way it is supposed to OR find a new way - you might be surprised to see, what oppotunities you can have.

Knowning what is accepted normal use/tactic is good, trying to tweak it and/or reading your opponent is much better....

So pls stop whining about default costs/raw OP/DP. Use your imagination/skill!!!!!!!!!!!


21:44:44 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Roheran:

agreed Mcmax


21:53:13 Aug 24th 09 - Lord Stewie Griffin:

agreed Mcmax and Roheran.


21:58:41 Aug 24th 09 - Demonslayer Charley Deallus IV:

agreed Mcmax, Roheran, and Stewie(or is it his cousin? who knows)


22:04:22 Aug 24th 09 - Sir Overcome:

thats one thing. but people for me like instanse feel some sort of loyalty towards the races. i've been playing Orc's for all eras except 2. i had to change this era cause i saw the admin had no plans on making it more stabil for this era. and i felt like letting my KD down if i didnt change. (and i have to mention Gokken that has been loyal towards Dwarf ever since he started this game a looong time ago)

but i think it would be much more fun if we could enjoy the benefits of all races, it has become boring to see only Troll and Elfs out there.


22:53:29 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Ezzy Teh Elven Warrior:

Well thats just stupid way of playing. Pick the best race most suited to what you want to achieve. I hate people that come to me and say oooooo im gonna be dwarf cause ive always been that >< /KICK bye bye noob benefits of all races? you want every race to be exactly the same. Wow how fun that would be. You do realise elf SUCK completely all the way up to mid era?


23:11:30 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Vangard:

Well if the races aren't balanced whats the point of even having them Ezzy?  No one would play them and it would just be a waste...


23:56:07 Aug 24th 09 - Mr. Dropkick:

i recon just raise the price 2 5k cause zerks r 6k but they r more powerful so i recon just add 1k onto the price


00:09:42 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Angel of Death:

Quite frankly they are overpowered mainly cause of the magic protection that archmages get they now are able to pretty much out run any other race which makes it hard to catch archmage armies plus the price is too cheap for both Zerks and Archmages.

I can have 60k zerks but I will need at least 100k+ mages if I dont want froze while an elf can have 60-70k archmages and maybe 10k mages and pretty much doesnt have to worry about being froze.

Its same wth Orcs and Nazzies they need a lot of mages and well unless they are in front and have BT's an elf can out run them.






00:12:29 Aug 25th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:

mmm well im playing elf now, and i reckon they sucks compared to my pretty humans, but thats just me :)


00:13:36 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Angel of Death:

Lol then you arent playing them right ;)


00:25:50 Aug 25th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:

or do i just play human that much better O.o


00:57:31 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Bearmanmaja:

Actually if you make a fast calculation on OP, you will see that Archmages are WAY overpowered. They really need to be fixed because sooner or later everyone will be massing them.


01:04:45 Aug 25th 09 - Sir Big Mac Attack:

Insane amount of OP for the price and Magic protection, I think 6k is a minimum :P


01:20:13 Aug 25th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:

eh mebe i should stop trying to farm with them then....


01:21:16 Aug 25th 09 - Lady Darkness:

I played several races, including humans, elves and trolls and I know Elves have AMs for 4000 but remember they used to be 2600!

To be fair with this race we have to consider its mechanics.

  • Elves get their Archmages later on in the era when they have their magic on level 7 or more
  • Before that elves are barely a defensive or magic race
  • Experienced elves never have to research mining cause they have to focus on Magic till level 9
  • So Elven economy is really slow growing at the beginning of the game
  • Elves are not able to get Military Science as well and so their troops take so much losses if they get into a battle
  • For an elf to have a strong army they pay a lot of upkeep which cripples their economy later on.
So in comparison to other races
  • Humans have 10% more taxes, easily get mining and military sciences with Catapults new feature of destroying walls (Good economy, Cheap science but costly troops)
  • Trolls have excellent troops and very cheap units with +1 attack on their magic units and they can get at least lvl 5 Military right away (Excellent troops and high kill rate)
  • Dwarves have an overwhelmingly strong economy able to get a lot of science done in no time and (The best economy ever)
  • Halflings have the cheapest troops ever in game, able to find lots of gold and sciences after winning battles (Great farming bonus, free science, invisible scouts)
  • Orcs have the cheapest upkeep and fastest armies ever (1k Nazzies will sure move faster than 14.4k knights) with ability to panic train gaias with less than half the peasants needed. They are also able to get either military or mining sciences right away.
Conclusion:
I think the races are balances considering their playing mechanics. With the right science choices and playing style you can make your race more efficient or poorly progressing.
As for elves they do have major downsides so it's totally unfair to judge them only on the price of their lvl5 troops considering that they are absolutely useless for any elf when they are lvl 5 magic. also their magic units are one of the most expensive in all races along with huge upkeeps.

This is a personal friendly advice, If you really think being an elf is easy. give it a try next era and I am willing to give u some hints and tips on how to go through it. I am sure that this experience will change your view totally about elves.


01:24:58 Aug 25th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:

i reckon i could get magic to lvl7 2-3 days oop if i play it right...

stopped reading after that...


01:51:17 Aug 25th 09 - Demonslayer Charley Deallus IV:

If you weren't being attacked by a strong enemy...and had time to save up those resources...and if your KD wasn't good enough to hold off the enemy without you...sure.  Otherwise...you get shafted and have to cut things short or else you are dead and sciences don't transfer after you restart :)


01:51:56 Aug 25th 09 - Duchess Sexxy Minx:

mm yeah i could get it day 1 oop with StG :)


02:00:36 Aug 25th 09 - Lady Darkness:

If you farm for several days you can get lvl 7 within a week. But it doesnt happen on the bigger worlds when action starts oop. This only happens in the lower worlds where oop times are longer and players are few and most of them are barely active.

Besides by that time Humans orcs, and Dwarves would have lvl 7-9 mining and lvl 5 military. Trolls would have lvl 6 military and 4 mining.
How will your army compete with those economies or military sciences?

Otherwise if you are an elf and being attacked or close to an enemy (specially trolls) there is no way you will get any science done in that short period. Like I said give it a try.


02:12:34 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Vuggy:

Troll is more destructive.. Elves have the smaller and faster armies which serve better at the ending though.. But a (smart) troll could easily beat an elf late-era...


02:15:12 Aug 25th 09 - Sir Big Mac Attack:

BS :P  Elves are in a different league than trolls, esp since trolls also have to build MUs, elves do not, but even without MUs, Elves still have 27 OP for 4k vs 35 OP for 6k


03:52:02 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Vuggy:

Or you know... 30 OP for 4800 maybe? xD Or maybe.. 30 OP for 3k? Trolls have more OP/gold and are better rounded for the whole era.. Elves are best at mid/end-era. :)


05:42:00 Aug 25th 09 - Lord Stewie Griffin:

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13:58:41 Aug 24th 09
agreed Mcmax, Roheran, and Stewie(or is it his cousin? who knows)

Im his sister...so please...


08:59:30 Aug 25th 09 - Lady Darkness:

By the time elves farm enough to get their higher lvls of magic, other races like trolls, humans, orcs and dwarfs would have taken over several cities and boosted their economies far more than any elf would dream to accomplish at the same time since all of the elf troops are defensive and barely have a decent attack. It sounds fair to give elves an edge to be able to survive with their smaller economies and become competitive till the end of the era.


11:23:06 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Bearmanmaja:

I wonder if any of you guys hwo posted here has done a calculation on just how much OP you get out of a Archmage with 10 magic. Its almost as cheap as spamming Tier 1 units.


11:33:26 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Billious:

Having thought about it for one more day, and without bothering to show my sums, to me at least, it's blindingly obvious.

The few players who know me will find the next statement both comic and tragic:

If the numbers for Elf & Troll stay the same next era, I'm going to be an Elf.


12:13:09 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Dread:

yes you think its ez to get to magic lvl 9???
wel first of all it costs. like 40m gold and other resources.  and untill you have that u cant have mine schiense witch is alot of missed income or mil science and sotroops are pretty mutch useless for anything but defending a town..
i would say trolls and elf are about equal troll is stronger first half and elf (if he will sirvive the first half) is stronber the second half of the era.
 as if every elf has a huge kd to protect them... trolls have more advantage since they could ezely destroy elfes first half if the era. if they are smart enough to have mu's and magic protection..


12:44:41 Aug 25th 09 - Chancellor Mcfeast Deluxe:

Elves are good if you have a KD to hide behind OOP to farm. Farming up to level 9 (or 10) Magic is boring, it's DAYS of farming to save the resources early era and missing any kind of military action for quite a while. I dunno about some people, but the farming for an active player is majorly snooze worthy... It's not "hard" by any means, just boring.

Did I mention it was boring? ;)


12:54:16 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Billious:

 'as if every elf has a huge kd to protect them... trolls have more advantage since they could ezely destroy elfes first half if the era. if they are smart enough to have mu's and magic protection..'

Berserker = 171gp per attack point

Archer = 70 gp per defence point (usually counts double 'at home', since a Troll is unlikely to be able to shatter the walls of an Elf)

You aren't making any sense at all Mr Dread.


13:09:02 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Dread:

lol shure conpare lvl 5 vs lvl 2 (-_-') very objective.. math abbuser.// facts liar..
 
first of all trolls have mine science --> more income 40%.. but also 40% higher growth since they farm at start. so they increase their income 40% faster...
you can ezly have double the income of an elf very early in the era. and thats if im beeing soft.

troll has mil lvl 5..
and its rocktrowers vs archers.... on the field archers are useless very weak. 100% death.. attacking a city even more useless. all then can do is defend a town...
and even when defending the calculations are.

troll has 2x income and 1.5 mil strength..

if elf can train 100 archers troll can train 280 rocktrowers. = 210 archer strenth..


13:29:35 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Maverick:

i'm an elf. i have 260K AM in talents alone and 50K more in training. however i say it's not easy getting there.

for me playing these race is awesome if and only if your KD will allow you to farm for your first days. i did farm until i was able to get 2M gold a tick (i think about 12 days).


13:35:43 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Dread:

magic lvl 10?


13:38:32 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Vuggy:

If not 10 he has 9. So... :)


13:40:10 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Dread:

it matter to me witch okay :p


14:12:10 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Billious:

'math abbuser.// facts liar..'`

hahaha

Thanks for you response, I learned a lot.


14:15:41 Aug 25th 09 - Mr. Maverick:

lvl 9 only.


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