|RETURN of Great Walls Discussi|
|14:06:28 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Thunder:|
Ok put your thoughts and chatter here...
|14:21:56 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Deadpool:|
With the current map and no good places to place blockers I think zeta should bring back the walls.
|14:29:52 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Thunder:|
I agree... the smaller map and removal of walls takes out the strategy and it just becomes a free for all where the guys with the most friends win...
|14:32:14 Apr 23rd 08 - Lord Legandary Zucox:|
teh guy who has more strategy will win the map.. imigine small map full with stupid walls... you won't even be able to move ... dot'n try to hide behind the wall..
|14:38:50 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Thunder:|
how do you figure that Zucox??? What strategy have you seen at all this era? Seriously...it is attack, attack, attack...no strat at all...
|15:08:03 Apr 23rd 08 - Lord Legandary Zucox:|
Thunder.. i dotn' kow which kingdom are you in.. IF the great wall idea is bad people like archi, roxy will talk about it since last era... I may wrong but I guess you went to fantasia for this era as first time.. if you look at the map carefulyy and if you have enough strategy ot skill.. there is only 3 places you need to build block cities..
|15:10:40 Apr 23rd 08 - Sir Hiding:|
i hate great walls................makes too many stalemates.
|16:04:24 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Izulien:|
Yes bring back the great walls...makes for better strategy.
|16:21:51 Apr 23rd 08 - Sir Hiding:|
strategy of sending troops to the same blocker and farming?... i think not.
if we are really to have a petition, bring back old interface!!!!
|16:35:17 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Deadpool:|
But now its such a small map (and with this new map) it makes sense. Walls = Good!
|16:53:38 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Atreides:|
Walls don't help anything.
|16:56:40 Apr 23rd 08 - Sir Hiding:|
so, the map is smaller so ur troops don't even have to travel nearly as far. great idea!!!! not...
|16:56:41 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Squiddy:|
The main problem here is that the game has not changed to make up for walls being taken out and the original game was not tweaked enough to make walls work nicely.
|17:53:09 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Deadpool:|
I totally agree with Squiddy and I think I made a post stating this in the last wall discussion. Bring them back.
|18:07:00 Apr 23rd 08 - Sir Binh The Demolisher:|
If walls were to be brought back, Wall max % bonus should be around 20%- 30%. Blocking a huge passage with 100% bonus defense is way too much of an advantage.
Walls price: To prevent *beep*ming of walls, the price of walls need to increase after a wall was built from any players. For example, the first kd built first wall at normal price, the next wall will cost twice as much, the third wall will cost 3 times as much and so on. No kd will be able to *beep* wall if cost are to increase in this manner even with kd switching, and any other abuse that people can think of.
|18:24:23 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Deadpool:|
Why not just limit the number of walls per KD that prevents the river jumping plus more strategy of where and when to place walls and limits the sp@mming of walls all over the map.
|18:29:32 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Xerxez:|
Sounds to me as if some oen from Carnage has sore feelings about being hit OOP and not realizing that you can't sit and whore for 1/2 or 3/4 of an era before you decide to go on the offensive. Personally I've never played with walls, but from everything I've been told and have come to understand about them they lead to nothing but stalemates gifting those players who don't really play or are more inactive. From all the discussion I've seen on teh walls it seems as if a lot of people have good suggestions on them but as stated before i can't really make any judgement calls as I've never played with them. But, here is my suggestion if you want walls back continue to petition ZeTa and continue to make suggestions that make them workable and balance the game play instead of favoring one type of player over another.
|20:06:09 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Atreides:|
No matter what limits you put, the only things walls accomplish is turning the game into a "who can have more troops" contest. Troops placement and activity won't matter....magic will be weakened...and the only warring possible will be merge vs. merge.
|21:01:55 Apr 23rd 08 - Lord Legandary Zucox:|
well.. after reading this.. i still can't find any reason why should we bring back the wall... people are just saying bring the wall .. bring the wall.. it's like barking without any reason ...
|22:30:37 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Elfy:|
i dnt think walls should b brought back either but if they were i fink:
I still dont think walls should be brought back but if they are they need some major improvements..
|23:38:53 Apr 23rd 08 - Mr. Karalius Mindaugas:|
I like what squiddy said. Me and my KD mates don't have the time to sit at VU all day, and yet we are good enough to be in Fantasia. Bring back teh walls, but cap them somehow. Furthermore, the smaller map makes it even harder. Last era you could be semi active, as kingdoms were quite far from each other. Right now you either are hyperactive or you only log in to see your cities to be gone after the night.
|01:57:03 Apr 24th 08 - Lord Legandary Zucox:|
well.. like i said before.. just tell me one good reason to bring back the wall..Mr. Karalius Mindaugas hardcore doesnt' mean you are good or not.. it means you are active,(log in all the time), skillful.. and know about tactic and strategy.. I see so many good old players who are playing in smaller world.. because they can't be too active.. that simple thing.. if you want to be in fantasia, just play 24/7.... believe me , in smaller world you can do whatever you want, even you are not active enough... i think one guy is trying to take the map alone in Zeta.. he did good.. which shows me that in small world people are not active enough.. oh by the way, the way you or your mate(I am not sure) did was really nasty. try to be vice and kicking everyone in the kingdom.. that's nasty way to do such fighting....
|01:57:45 Apr 24th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:|
Zucox, it's all well and good saying that people are only complaining because it means they can't farm but that's really not it at all.
|17:41:00 Apr 27th 08 - Mr. Bob Loblaw:|
Wall science, huge wall upkeep stone and gold, everything else has sciences and upkeeps, why should walls be any better? Walls were just too over powered, just made people turtle up. Add wall science and upkeep, it will slow down dwarves. who else has the money for that? The beginning of the eras will still be most troops wins, but once established "wall strategy" can be put into work. walls could increase attack too. or perhaps increase counterattacks or something along those lines
|23:10:36 Apr 28th 08 - Mr. Periannath:|
Wall Siege would be interesting :) say you can set a siege and siege it for maybe 80 ticks at which point the wall with crumble (a small gap appear somewhere in the wall) or the defenders have to come forth and attack.
|00:57:56 Apr 29th 08 - Mr. Atreides:|
Your idea just gave me an interesting idea. If walls were to come back, we could have a completely different system for wall fighting. Instead of being forced to takeover, you could have the option of keeping the wall city under siege for a certain period of time (which would be inversely proportional to the amount of troops by number) and once that time is up, the city would fall under your command. Of course, there would be a minimum of sieging for at least 1 day or so, and the exact relationship between number of troops and how long it takes for them to starve out would have to be thought out some more.
|08:47:11 Apr 29th 08 - Mr. Periannath:|
well you cant starve the army out if you only control one side of the wall :D
|15:56:00 Apr 29th 08 - Duchess Jenine The Nobeard:|
Several things I think would help:
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