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I'm sure this has been asked..
04:09:23 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Deadpool:

But what do you guys think is the best overall race in the game?

04:46:00 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Bayushi Clamps:

Overall my vote is dwarf. I may be biased though since I've always thought this and always used them. The only exception to this is the one crazy era where gaia released into peasants yet didn't cost peasants (the first era there was peasant cost). When halfers could use magic to get ultimate advent armies they were close, but more in points than actual utility. Anyway, dwarf ftw for sure.

23:30:55 Jan 12th 08 - Mr. Deadpool:

Yeah I have played Dwarf before and they are very easy. I have been playing Orc for the last couple of eras..and I have tried Human once and kinda liked them.

05:59:48 Jan 14th 08 - Mr. Potato:



09:47:24 Jan 17th 08 - Pirate Lewatha:

the best race for what purpose?



score whoring?

10:27:13 Jan 17th 08 - Mr. Random:

magic = elves

attacking = orcs

lol score whoring = dwarves


10:38:19 Jan 17th 08 - Mr. Haywood Jablowme:

elves - magic, attacking, defending  only downside is income :)

12:46:42 Jan 17th 08 - Mr. Blackbean Zeak:

I would say Elf, but my second would be Dwarf. Elves because they can just keep casting StG, which gives them great income so don't dis the elf. Dwarf because well they just are cool midgets who make a crap loap of gold, and we feed the greedy elves who want stone.

22:01:52 Feb 23rd 08 - Master Yoda:

Humans are best overall.

20:31:50 Mar 17th 08 - Mr. Anubis:

Mr. Random


1/17/2008 12:27:13 PMmagic = elves

attacking = orcs

lol score whoring = dwarves

True but you forgot one
Abydos = Farmers

20:54:20 Mar 17th 08 - Mr. Razorfire:

I'd really shut up anubis :/

16:16:59 Mar 18th 08 - Sir Revenge:

Abydos arnt famers....
Go suck a lemon

01:32:29 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Kevdwayne:

Master Yoda, why do you say humans are best overall.... I have played human for 2 eras and like them but, I am curious as to your reason for saying that.  Thank You

08:53:56 Mar 19th 08 - Mr. Arjun Ramchand:

humans are good but their troop cost increase faster than other races. (at least mine did) but their effects are like rainbowed. 10% discount in market, about 50% discount in science and quite OK units

02:07:45 Mar 25th 08 - Sir Soccerloner:

human science and market increase pezz taxes and those amazing troops = bliss.

10:28:53 Mar 25th 08 - Mr. Arjun Ramchand:

they are NOT amazing. look at orcs they got 150/150 (nazzies) and these stupid catapults cost more to 150 OP (like 20000 without armory)

22:43:34 Mar 30th 08 - Sir Santa:

Look at what else Soccer said! Tax increase, market discount and science bonus! They make up for that difference in troopcost.

08:39:06 Apr 1st 08 - Mr. Arjun Ramchand:

so what?? troopcost rockets up.. i built only 1k buildings and it started increasing slowly

11:31:58 Apr 1st 08 - Mr. Random:

um it shouldnt... if you only have 1k buildings that is.

16:52:53 Apr 1st 08 - Mr. Fire Shadow VI:

And Dwarves have been ruined.

08:29:58 Apr 2nd 08 - Mr. Arjun Ramchand:

idk but it rocketed in mine and almost became double cost when i had like 10k buildings total... maybe a bug but idk. i had enough armories to make lvl 2 half cost but this one had full cost

20:58:25 Apr 2nd 08 - Mr. Justin:

ok u ghuys need to get the 50%  bonus discount. 200 homes 400 armories for lvl 2. 500 homes 1000 armories for lvl 3then 1k homes and 1.5k armories for lvl 4 adn 1000 homes and 5k armories for lvl 5. but for any race, the more buildigs u have the more the cost of troops

05:04:57 Apr 3rd 08 - Mr. Random:

yeah at 12k buildings total your troop costs will start to increase.

16:15:21 Apr 4th 08 - Prince Gorris Septim:

Master Yoda


2/23/2008 2:01:52 PM
Humans are best overall.

/ \
Nice name...

20:35:35 Jul 19th 08 - Mr. Samulis:

I have to agree, I like humans. they are equal in attacking and defending, but nazzies dont sway the tables of more taxes, reduced market prices and cheaper science. man, do the math.

nazzies cost: 17000

nazzies att: 150 def. 150

swordsman (human) costs: 200

att: 2 def: 3

17000 divided by 200=85. 85x2=170. 85x3=225.

the math says:

you can get 85 swordsmen for the cost of 1 nazgul. 1 nazgul has 150 attack and 150 defence. 85 swordsmen have 170 attack and 225 defence. Swordsmen are MORE EFECTIVE THAN NAZZIES!

20:54:36 Jul 19th 08 - Mr. Whoop:

But you have to pay more upkeep for swordsmen.

1000 nazzies x 150 Att points = 150.000 Attack & Defense points. So 1000 nazzies is not a lot of upkeep.

150.000 attack & defense points : 2 (attack points of swordsmen) = 75.000 swordsmen. So that means you have to pay more upkeep for the swordsmen


19:57:54 Jul 20th 08 - Mr. Samulis:

It is done like this:

1 nazzie doesint have 1 upkeep, a army of 85 swordsmen doesint have 85 upkeep. I dont know the exact formula, but it is over 1 upkeep lvl 1 and way over 1 upkeep for 3, and 5? its really high. You are right with 85 swordsmen having more upkeep- about 70 gold probabily, but hey, who cares, they can still beat nazzies for less price. in fact, you could probabily use a army of 80 or 75 swordsmen to do it. also: upkeep isint decided by attack and defence. and of corse your math is off. why would you devide 150,000 by 2? I would do it simpler:

1 nazzie costs 17,000 gold, it costs x Upkeep Per Tick (UPT). you do:

x times number of ticks before fight plus 17,000.

75 swordsmen cost 15,000 gold, it costs z UPT. you do:

z times number of ticks before fight plus 15,000.

if the ticks before the fight is 0, it is cheeper to have the swords. you are right, after a while, the nazgul would slowly get cheeper than the swords (I estimate about 24 ticks).

06:37:12 Jul 22nd 08 - Mr. Deify Wolf:

If you do the math, lower lvl units are always cheaper per OP/DP then higher lvl units. ALWAYS. The reason people train higher lvl units are for lower upkeep AND faster moving armies.

Nazgruls are great in small armies moving very fast. They are great end-game when other races are paying millions for upkeep when the Orc upkeep cost less then half. They are spectacular when calculating injured and troops lost after a battle.

If an army of swords fought an army of Nazgruls when both have 50%, the Naz would win EVERY TIME. After every attack, the swords will lose more OP/DP due to casualties than the Nazgruls. Their percent of success will go down while the percent of the Nazgruls will go up. The denser OP/DP is favorable to the in-game calculations when you attack/defend.

This is the reason why Orc armies are very hard to kill: they receive fewer loses than an army of equal power from ANY other race.

Are they the best race? Perhaps. Everything depends upon the player and how he/she plays the game.

07:44:27 Jul 22nd 08 - Dark Lord Osiris:

An orc alone can be a strong attacker indeed, the problem for orc is when they are attacked, nazgul are so expensive they cannot train a large enough force to easily defend a kd core. that is why you need a good balance :)

08:55:59 Jul 22nd 08 - Sir Gonzo The Great:

Osi, youve turned smart?  :P

11:03:24 Jul 22nd 08 - Prince Waldorfius Septim II:

It's a fluke!

17:20:10 Jul 22nd 08 - Mr. Samulis:

sure... deify wolf hit the nail on the head. I was waiting for someone to point that out.

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