|Question about the high scores|
|23:49:23 Jan 22nd 13 - Yukan (Mr. Grandline):|
Midgard's era is over so...
I was testing out being an orc on one of my spare characters when this came up:
The odd thing was that I started really late, so pretty much everyone should have had better armies/cities than me. These were in my city of Boiling Soup at the time:
Up until this point I had thought that:
Tiers 1/2/4 were worth 1 person
Tiers 3/5 were worth 2 people
So I thought to myself that: "Hey this seems wrong..."
I eventually came to the conclusion that maybe points were from the OP and DP for units along with military science, which would mean that my city would have had:
56(1+2) + 1,000(8+8) + 22,384(1) + 6435(160+160) = 2,097,752 x 1.6 = 3,356,403.2
To me this seemed to make sense... So I decided to check this on Midgard.
At this time:
Note: Military Science was not included in this because well... No one really wanted to tell me their science levels (Except Elite).
- 42,132 Illusionists
- 264,248 Adventurers
42,132(1) + 264,248(8+8) = 4,270,100
Trafalgar Law had:
- 136,477 Ponies
- 69,289 Illusionists
- 157,783 Adventurers
136,477(6+4) + 69,289(1) + 157,783(8+8) = 3,958,587
Eustass Kid had:
- 20,000 Ponies
- 44,000 Illusionists
- 125,000 Adventurers
20,000(6+4) + 44,000(1) + 125,000(8+8) = 2,244,000
Before that Firestarter was actually two armies with equal troops (According to Elite) and they were under Eustass Kid.
So... I checked...
Each of them had:
- 21,066 Illusionists
- 132,124 Adventurers
21,066(1) + 132,124(8+8) = 2,135,050
So far so good. Later the armies were ordered like:
- 19,312 Ponies
- 29,302 Illusionists
- 10,821 Adventurers
19,312(6+4) + 29,302(1) + 10,821(8+8) = 395,558
Now the problem here was that there was a group of armies out there that wasn't even on the high scores. So here I concluded that military science along with army experience went along with the OP+DP of the armies (Although Khan wouldn't tell me what experience/science he had *sad*)
Firestarter was bounced back and had:
38,161(1) + 193,188(8+8) = 3,129,169
At this time Trafalgar Law had:
- 134,414 Ponies
- 66,673 Illusionists
- 155,401 Adventurers
134,414(6+4) + 66,673(1) + 155,401(8+8) = 3,897,229
And Eustass Kid had:
- 20,000 Ponies
- 44,000 Illusionists
- 150,000 Adventurers
20,000(6+4) + 44,000(1) + 150,000(8+8) = 2,644,000
So those numbers worked out.
Later my army (Trafalgar Law) also got bounced back and went below Leilas Riders, then a couple ticks later, my army went back up above her army. So that led me to believe that either she took troops out of her army or that injuries do not count in the math.
Anyways i don't really have any more data since no one gave me any before the end of the era, so...
Question: Is this how the high scores worked or was it something completely different?
|02:21:59 Jan 24th 13 - Wilberforce (Princess Fatty Lover):|
Didn't bother fully reading through your post, I just saw you say about tier troops = points.
|02:27:40 Jan 24th 13 - Elite (Mr. Elite III):|
I think you need to add another variable to your maths to make it 100% correct, and thats the total number of troops an army has, that's why most people say halfing are overpowered on the HoH, they are the only race that can produce massive amounts of lvl 5 troops.
|02:27:54 Jan 24th 13 - Wilberforce (Princess Fatty Lover):|
Alright, just read your post. You're mostly looking at Halfers.
|02:32:10 Jan 24th 13 - Elite (Mr. Elite III):|
Im just guessing here, but archmages have their power increased by magic level, going by that I think magic level isn't a variable in the HoH thus archmages would count solely 17/17 troop (I cant remember whats the right value for lvl 0 archmages but you get the point).
|02:33:32 Jan 24th 13 - Wilberforce (Princess Fatty Lover):|
AMs with level 0 are 0/0. Don't really see what you're getting at though.
|02:41:21 Jan 24th 13 - Elite (Mr. Elite III):|
Not with op, but I think each unit has a defined score based on their op/dp, so if magic isn't taken into acount your archmages would score very little when compared to a berserker or a nazgul.
|02:42:01 Jan 24th 13 - Yukan (Mr. Reallife Stupid Game):|
Since AMs are counted for magic protection and had a base damage of 0 op/0 dp, I assumed AMs and MUs were worth at least 1 point each. The owner of the elf army near the end of the era didn't tell me what was in his army so.... DX
|06:58:57 Jan 24th 13 - Pure (Mr. Axwell):|
Elite why do you continue to try and state a point when Wilbad has already explained how the system works.
|07:11:49 Jan 24th 13 - Yukan (Mr. Grandline):|
Care to explain why one of my armies on another world was shown to be "stronger" than another halfer on that same world despite the fact that the other halfer had a lot more advents that I did? (I had higher military though)
|11:06:52 Jan 24th 13 - Wilberforce (Mr. Samlag Usling):|
Thanks Pure. Elite, listen to me: OP/DP has nothing to do with HoH. Also, I said AMs score VERY low. Magic doesn't count, (and once again, just to be sure you grasp the concept) -----------> nor does OP <-----------. AMs are a set amount of points, like zerks, like ponies, like every other unit.
|15:19:54 Jan 24th 13 - Yukan (Mr. Grandline):|
Wilb... But it was my 129k advents going over his near 200k + MU & who knows what else.
|17:17:30 Jan 24th 13 - Zond (General Cozen):|
|18:18:38 Jan 24th 13 - Yukan (Mr. Reallife Stupid Game):|
Both armies were newly made, so no experience.
|01:14:51 Jan 26th 13 - Yukan (Mr. Yume):|
Hum... Tried out an elf.
- MU's are worth 1 point while AM's are worth 1 + Magic Level.
- Tier 1 Troops Count as 1 point along with OP/DP/Military/EXP (Not Tested)
- Tier 2 Troops Count as 1 point along with OP/DP/Military/EXP (Not Tested)
- Tier 3 Troops Count as 2 point along with OP/DP/Military/EXP (Not Tested)
- Tier 4 Troops Count as 1 point along with OP/DP/Military/EXP (Being Tested)
- Tier 5 Troops Count as 3 point along with OP/DP/Military/EXP (Being Tested)
- Placed 930 AM's with Lv. 6 Magic in an army (Mihawk).
- Shows up as:
- Since I think MU's are worth 1 point each: 930(1+6) = 6,510 + 2,790 (Tier 5 May count as 3 points each) = 9,300 Points / 2 (Because MU's have 1 point and their tier counts as 1 point) = 4,650
- Places 4,650 MU's into Mihawk
- Shows up as:
Didn't train any other tiers at the time, so they weren't tested :[
Edit: It took 930 AM's to be placed right above Shinobi and exactly 4,648 for MU's
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