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Question for vet human StG'ers
16:40:04 May 26th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Here's a question for vet humans only. Rest of you stay outta my thread, please.

At what price do you stop buying stone for StG? And I mean the price as seen by you on the market when buying. And do you prefer to break down large sales, or do you just rely on the law of averages over time? Go on, give away a few secrets to a poor forlorn former dwarf... ;)


16:58:38 May 26th 08 - Mr. Pedro Al Bear:

Math says it should be as up as 1.05 and still make a profit on average. Most stop at 1.02-1.03 though, if at that.


17:01:04 May 26th 08 - Sir Wraith:

And I'm guessing Elves should stop at lower prices because they don't have the tax?


17:01:21 May 26th 08 - Mr. Ant:

yeah but you would only get a profit of 0.03-(-)0.01 x the number of stone

so there is no point in it, i would stop at 0.95


18:02:18 May 26th 08 - Mr. Aligreat:

well stop then Ant =P more stone for us humans =D

Sorry Goth...i dont really like to tell. It invites competition, and with competition it becomes less profitable, thus changing what i would say to you right now about price and stuff.

 


18:05:37 May 26th 08 - Mr. Ant:

i don't do it i was just responding to Pedro's comment


18:15:42 May 26th 08 - Mr. Pedro Al Bear:

>so there is no point in it, i would stop at 0.95

Even elves are pushing 0.97 - 0.98, humans can go above 1. Clearly you have no idea of StG or humans, so why post?


18:18:50 May 26th 08 - Mr. Ant:

because i have seen the market drop to 0.6-0.7 recently


18:21:55 May 26th 08 - Mr. Aligreat:

recent as in 4-5 days into the era?

Because it hasnt dropped below 0.8 since like 7 days into the era on Fantasia.

 

I lie...kingdoms trying to feed cheap stone did it for 0.5


18:23:40 May 26th 08 - Sir Wraith:

Actually some people on Zeta have been selling for really cheap so Ant is right, to a certain extent..


18:34:39 May 26th 08 - Mr. Aligreat:

ah ZeTa.

So his logic is based on that...of which there is little to none. As any player with a brain would be STGing on any stone market which had any stone selling below 0.9

Goth warned you to stay out of here.

 


19:24:31 May 26th 08 - Mr. Ant:

just making the point this was just a sec ago, just after a 0.95 stone cost


19:31:15 May 26th 08 - Mr. Pedro Al Bear:

We were talking about the Fantasia market.


19:55:49 May 26th 08 - Mr. Apple Pie:

Go newb some place else Ant  ^-^

Ive just put some stone up on Fant,  .94

Buy it so I can make more Axers to pwn Sheo with !  :P


19:56:33 May 26th 08 - Sir Wraith:

Leave Ant alone, lol. He was just trying to help.


20:52:54 May 26th 08 - Mr. Apple Pie:

21:09:05: Aligreat[DB] bought 6500000 stone for 5743400 gold from you on the market.

Eg of buying stone for you new players


02:43:50 May 27th 08 - Mr. Aligreat:

shush...show them nothing

/me tranquilizes Appel Pie and drags him into the shadows.

 


10:02:34 May 27th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Been great having you on my thread Ali...even if you didn't answer my question. :P


16:23:10 May 27th 08 - Sir Binh The Raider:

It depends on how active you are and how much competition you are receiving and how much raw cash you are possessing.

These variables control at what price you stop at. You'll find out through experience.


22:07:53 May 27th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Yep and I'd add that it must also depend on how skilled you are at the StG process itself. The smaller the margins become, the more critical it is to maximize return. So what I was asking, really, was how high our skilled vet humans go.

Thanks, but I still haven't had my answer yet. ;)


04:11:02 May 28th 08 - Mr. Arjun Ramchand:

last era armageddon stone market went as low as 0.3 gold per stone.... which means more money for StGers


04:26:42 May 28th 08 - Sir Binh The Raider:

You already had the answer up there. A skillful stger can go all the way up to 1.03 and maybe 1.05 for allies.


08:11:12 May 28th 08 - Mr. Ant:

1.05 gets no profit or a lose, why would you buy it?


11:06:58 May 28th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

Like he said, Ant, for allies.

Thanks, Binh. I've got some improving of technique to do still, then. I can't profit at 1.03 yet.


13:16:05 Jun 3rd 08 - Mr. Sound:

You'd buy at 1.05 because it's a good deal for your KD mates. It's probably not until about a week in when you can turn a decent profit on 1.03 (50m+ converts or so). Of course if you manage to get a lot of the early cheap stone you might be able to get ahead earlier. You need a big stockpile of gold which can be argued slows your growth (can't immediately reinvest into land). Also consider MU costs and the useless land of a WH big enough to STG 200m+ at a time. Although as a total of your whole land these effects diminish at larger sizes.


16:39:39 Jun 9th 08 - Mr. Gothir:

Is it better to make one large WH city with enough warehouses to convert 90+% of the stone you have with 1 cast or have a smaller WH city with a lower % return but cast STG a couple times instead?


12:49:16 Jun 12th 08 - Mr. Gothrim:

That at least I can answer. It is much much better to reach 90+% conversion, preferably on very large amounts of stone. Helps keep your mu cost down.

This era I added my warehouses to a very large mine. Works well enough, it seems.


08:34:59 Jun 16th 08 - Prince Bertilius Septim II:

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5/26/2008 8:40:04 AM
Here's a question for vet humans only. Rest of you stay outta my thread, please.

At what price do you stop buying stone for StG? And I mean the price as seen by you on the market when buying. And do you prefer to break down large sales, or do you just rely on the law of averages over time? Go on, give away a few secrets to a poor forlorn former dwarf... ;)

*Septim runs in and giggles at being naughty before running out.


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