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What is the scoring system....
12:30:16 Apr 24th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

... for this era like?

How will the era winner be determined? Will the scores be tallied purely from Fantasian cities and assets? Or are players with huge bunch of assets from other maps allowed to win the era as well by just having to plonk down a scout or an army on Fantasia, thus getting on Fantasia HoH?

How about largest kingdom winner? Is the winner the largest kingdom across all worlds? Or is it the kingdom with the most Fantasia assets? Or the largest original Fantasia kingdom and not newcomers?

How is the scoring system like? It seems very confusing.

 


21:44:28 Apr 24th 09 - Mr. Bran:

also how does being more 'warlike' affect your points? do you get points for taking a city or winnning a battle?


22:45:59 Apr 24th 09 - Lady Loud Tone:

The guy with the most victories = winner on every world, regardless of others land/troops. Huz-*beep*ing-za.

Naw we debated this, in a private place where no nubs like you guys are allowed. The largest original Fant KD, erm. They're all in the process of dieing. Largest KD, its always been #1 player who wins.


23:23:43 Apr 24th 09 - Mr. Bran:

wtf are you going on about, i hope other ppl in Hull make more sense than you do


01:04:04 Apr 25th 09 - Duke Playaaaa:

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01:06:25 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Pineapple:

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04:46:20 Apr 25th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Lady Loud Tone

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4/25/2009 4:45:59 AM
The guy with the most victories = winner on every world, regardless of others land/troops. Huz-*beep*ing-za.

Naw we debated this, in a private place where no nubs like you guys are allowed. The largest original Fant KD, erm. They're all in the process of dieing. Largest KD, its always been #1 player who wins.

 

So clowns who farmed up on other maps and grew fat on small and gangbanged kingdoms are the ones who will win the era?

Yet another brilliant mess up by Zeta the Clueless.


05:04:14 Apr 25th 09 - Lady Quietone:

but then you'd be winning right? and you dont seem to be so that theory is flawed =)


05:08:41 Apr 25th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Of course. We are losing to those clowns aren't we? :)


06:03:37 Apr 25th 09 - Overlord Dvsmasta:

I wouldn't say i've farmed too much, never fully built a city yet...


11:11:18 Apr 25th 09 - Lady Loud Tone:

The person with the most wins will generally be the #1, yeah.

Bran, come back when you understand English.


11:19:45 Apr 25th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Sigh.... f-ing wrong strategy from the very beginning then.

Should have gone nub bashing instead of doing hard fighting.....


11:23:43 Apr 25th 09 - Lady Loud Tone:

Or take a leaf out of our books and do hard fighting, but win alot of battles?


11:29:14 Apr 25th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Doubt the fighting you guys were doing were hard.


12:34:40 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Bran:

wait, arent you in the kd who whored, then attacked a couple of half beaten kds?


12:40:15 Apr 25th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Chocolate? Half beaten? Didn't seem like it.... when you guys were attacking Sprout and Monkeystomp.

Whored? I thought we were searching for practically the nearest enemy possible on Fantasia. Too bad it was an awful long walk to you guys, and most of the routes to our targets were blocked off from us.


12:45:35 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Bran:

by the time you got there we was all half beat, hence why we fell so soon. if you wanted an enemy that badly why not fight the one you landed next to oop?


12:49:21 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Bran:

oh and how did we not seem like it, we only managed to spare a few small armies to attack sprout, why do you think he won?


13:20:40 Apr 25th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

We NAPed the kingdom that was southweast of us and searched for kingdoms in the other directions for our OOP war. Hit the one immediately in the north of us, which was in Fantasia (or part of it anyways). Last time I checked, there are 360 degrees worth of directions.

And our OOP strategy was one mine one armoury. My then kingdom leader was very explicit about that. If I hadn't deleted that thread, I would have posted what he said here.

And you only managed to spare a few small armies to attack Sprout? Well, last time I looked before we arrived to relieve him, Zerocool, you and several other Chocolates had 3/4ths of his core for youselves already, with about 150K worth of troops attacking him.

Might want to get your facts right.


13:50:42 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Experimental:

150k is spare for the warelike chocolates man!

you might wana get yours right


14:02:33 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Bran:

we had his core cos zerocool decided to run into his core on his own with killing the armies :/
we soon lost it again when he realised he couldnt defend them


21:01:47 Apr 25th 09 - Sir Watermelon:

Mr. Fruit Basket [Veggie] (3/30/2009 8:32:24 PM) GOOD BAD
Seems VU is back so here goes:

Ok people, time to start! I didnt like the world at first but after a carefull study we could not have gotten a better spot! Our weak point as you all know is OOP, right now we will have an easy OOP. Make your first mine ONLY and an armory. Nobody makes a second mine in this world! We will secure the blockers and then INVADE fantasia! And make our main core in the lower right corner there!

Lets start! And do place waypoints where you want your first mine!

Summary:
- Make 1 mine only
- Make 1 armory only
- Make a couple scouts to scout the area BUT DO NOT ENTER FANTASIA
- Halflings, make scouts and send them into fantasia to see what kd lies on the other side!

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Do check forums, I expect everybody to participate!


21:14:52 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Ignis The Evil One:

jaha nice plan


21:49:51 Apr 25th 09 - Lady Loud Tone:

Your guys weakspot is OOP eh?


22:54:04 Apr 25th 09 - Mr. Bran:

everyone knows that.... they suck oop every era they have to nap ppl to survive the first 100 ticks :p


06:42:57 Apr 26th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Normally, how we perform OOP depends on who is playing hardcore OOP warring. And how active the rest of the core members are.

Era of Superheroes and Godlike Nubs, the core members were pretty much gung ho for OOP and therefore fought hard. Era of Aurora and Elements, everyone was tired and wanted to take things slow, so OOP was pretty catastrophic.

This era, while we acknowledge that OOP is probably weakest point in our gameplay, we were very ready to fight an OOP war.

So would appreciate if you do not twist the words around Bran.


06:50:35 Apr 26th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Still, at the end of the day, whatever we do does not distract from the fact that the best strategy to win this era would be to hunt nubs and small kingdoms and bash the hell out of them.

Seriously.... Zeta needs to think deeply about the consequences of his improvements.


10:49:45 Apr 26th 09 - Mr. Hunter:

The standings should at least only count kills on the world they take place in. It should not be possible from someone from zeta, or starta to come snatch a city on fantasia and instantly be the most powerful ruler, even though they have not fought on fant at all.


11:53:41 Apr 26th 09 - Lady Quietone:

Cucumber i've been away a few eras so i'm not too sure even who you are but do you always whine this much?

 

I have no idea if the scoring system is flawed or not but seems to me it's never been quite right and yet everyone has dealt with it and congrats a winner even knowing that....but my question to you guys is this... are you taking into account what it actually takes for a kingdom to fight it out on several worlds and then finally make it to a whored up fantasia?   You guys seem to be upset because you so far into the era your kd has been on Fantasia where as Juicy has not and lets all be clear who you're referring to rather than making underhanded comments and talking crap. 

Seriously speaking you act as if it's been o so hard for you on Fantasia?  you seem to be nap'd with every strong kingdom out there so the only thing I can gather from your kingdom directly is that you have been gangbanging small kingdoms all era yourself.  If zeta wanted the only people to have a chance at winning the era to be kingdoms that started out on Fantasia, I am pretty sure he would have left the scoring the way it was.  Is it flawed? probably.. is it in need of tweaking...isnt alot of things in this game?  But stop insulting kingdoms and trying to imply you guys are some bad asses cause we all know the kds you've nap'd :P


13:06:53 Apr 26th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

That's funny Quietone. I always thought that I take after you in the whining department :) Glad to see that you haven't lost your touch ^_^

I cannot remember exactly all the kingdoms that you have fought, but I can safely say that, outside of your warring of Fate (who are anyway, facing a war on 3 - 4 fronts), the kingdoms Veggies have fought are: i) tougher than the kingdoms JUICY have fought, and ii) prone to raze all their cities thus leaving us little to no gains.

Also, Abydos faced us with 100% of their strength. Did you guys fight any substantial kingdom who were facing you with 100% of their strength? Care to enlighten me? :)


13:26:00 Apr 26th 09 - Mr. Josef:

Less QQ more PEW PEW you 12 inch cancer ridden phallic symbol.


13:28:52 Apr 26th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

Cobra, go get the dog to hump your little ducky butt again please :)


13:30:57 Apr 26th 09 - Lady Quietone:

settle down there veggie boy you are starting to sound very bitter.  Next time think about things before you go NAP'g kds like RVL and Juicy that you know will make a play for an era win if you're so froggy....dont NAP so much  -  I dont need to run down the list of kingdoms we warred nor need to prove anything to you, i'm simply saying to you that if you dont like the scoring system that is fine by me but stop acting as if you deserve something you clearly havent earned.... and insulting other kingdoms along the way


13:44:44 Apr 26th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

*chuckles*

Me sounding bitter? I think your comprehension ability just failed there Quietone :) Either that, or you are speaking from experience. Most probably the latter ^_^

My questioning is mainly directed at the game mechanics and at Zeta, and less at other kingdoms. If we had known that this was the 'scoring' format that was going to be employed, we would have adopted a very different strategy altogether, rather than war hard, tough kingdoms like Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate. After all, why do things the hard way when there is always the easy route :P

Also two things cannot be denied: i) that this form of scoring tallying encourages kingdoms to pick on easy kingdoms and nubs on the lower level maps and discourages hard fighting (unless at an extreme strategic advantage), and ii) it is a little unfair for kingdoms who have worked very hard to secure assets on Fantasia in the thought that the old form of scoring was the status quo, only to find out that actually, anyone on any map can win just by plonking a scout down on Fantasia. Basically, kingdoms in Fantasia who fought tooth and nail among themselves are now buggered ^_^


13:53:55 Apr 26th 09 - Commander Aligreat:

rather than war hard, tough kingdoms like Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate. After all, why do things the hard way when there is always the easy route :P

 

You hit Abydos as they were nearly killed by Spag and SK (hardly fighting tough, hard battle there)

It became a 4 vs 1 on Spag, so again, hardly a tough fight.

You shy-ed away from fighting JUICY, FATE and RVL, the ones you knew were gonna be real hard fights.

You played tactically and fought as much as you thought you could and now want to criticse other people for how much they have fought, i reckon JUICY had a lot harder fight than your participation in gangbangs.


13:54:48 Apr 26th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

seriously now TBL... you're not being very correct there..

you attacked spaghetti after abydos had fought them since OOP and FATE  started fighting them like 50 ticks before you guys arrived at their blockers, and attacked them with all your force, from a totally different direction that we were fighting. Of course you defeated them.

As for abydos and chocolate,

Abydos lost half it's core to the Spag+SK fight and Chocolate had 10 members for 75% of the era.

It wasn't really a biggie to defeat us. The only decent fight that you could've gotten so far was if you fight Rebirth, but you didn't do that. You NAPed the only kingdom that could've given you a decent fight.



13:56:08 Apr 26th 09 - Lady Quietone:

First of all i'll disregard your attempt to insult me since you havent met any standard to qualify to even make an attempt i'll just say this to that - LOL

 

regarding your actual input on the era scoring...  I disagree on pretty much everything you've said actually.    The way that the situaion is set up if you mass nap'd on Fantasia the era before and therefore technically earned a spot on Fantasia while other kingdoms fought and were probably gangbanged therefore landing them onto a lower world - does not entitle you to an easy win the following era. 

Just because for example Revelation- got beat last era and was forced to start on a lower world and fight their way to Fantasia doesnt mean they dont deserve any more chance to duke it out on Fant once they get there than you do--- We all saw the list of Fant kds at era start you werent fighting the cream of the crop there buddy so you shouldnt be bragging o so much to indicate that what you worked so hard for is anymore important.   So you fought Abydos? so?  You clearly gangbanged Spag  and You also fed on  nub kds all era and mass nap'd any other kd hardcore enough to actually take on a fat whored up kd like yourself giving you no opportunity to actually determine if you even qualify to win the era.. so you dont or shouldnt auto get an era win because you happen to land on Fantasia

 

Like i said before i'm in no way saying that the system isnt flawed all i am saying is that you cant post in here flaming other kingdoms and acting all pompous and deserving simply because you landed on Fantasia


21:06:57 Apr 26th 09 - Sir Twelve Inch Cucumber:

OK, I'm back from work and footy! :) And I see there are some replies waiting for me ^_^

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4/26/2009 7:53:55 PM

rather than war hard, tough kingdoms like Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate. After all, why do things the hard way when there is always the easy route :P

 

You hit Abydos as they were nearly killed by Spag and SK (hardly fighting tough, hard battle there)

It became a 4 vs 1 on Spag, so again, hardly a tough fight.

You shy-ed away from fighting JUICY, FATE and RVL, the ones you knew were gonna be real hard fights.

You played tactically and fought as much as you thought you could and now want to criticse other people for how much they have fought, i reckon JUICY had a lot harder fight than your participation in gangbangs.

You look down too  much on Abydos's capability.

Don't forget that at the end of the day, they are one of the victors against Spaghetti, and managed to get a substantial portion of the possible gains. Therefore, we were facing a pretty pumped up Abydos, who were also able to concentrate 100% on us. Factor in the very long supply lines (60 tick walks from our first armouries) (most of our routes to them were inadvertently blocked by our mutual NAP partner), their short supply lines, and them fighting a defensive war, and this becomes one extremely tough battle. Furthermore, facing 18 very determined and gritty players, who were very active in their defending, and would immediately raze their cities the moment they found themselves on the losing end, ultimately makes for a tough battle with very little gains.

With regard to Spaghetti, I do not deny that we took part in the gangbang, but I think you forget that we were stalled for most of the part, again, because of long supply lines (40 tick walks from first armouries to front line), and Spaghetti being a tough and relentless defender. Spaghetti and SK themselves almost successfully concluded operation Exterminate Sprout and Co Round 1 as well. And again, at the end of the day, they were still a very hard opponent to fight against, and the gains were extremely minimal since they razed most of their cities.

JUICY - as far as I am aware, before fighting Fate, you guys fought MAD (NAPed after you couldn't win), DMC (don't know much of the fight, so cannot comment), GOTF (easy access to them since most of their armies were facing Rebirth) and BOW (another easy access since most of their armies were battling Fate and Rebirth). No disrespect meant to these kingdoms, but between the choice of kingdoms that we fought and the ones JUICY fought in those conditions, I would very much rather be in JUICY's position.

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4/26/2009 7:54:48 PM
seriously now TBL... you're not being very correct there..

you attacked spaghetti after abydos had fought them since OOP and FATE  started fighting them like 50 ticks before you guys arrived at their blockers, and attacked them with all your force, from a totally different direction that we were fighting. Of course you defeated them.

As for abydos and chocolate,

Abydos lost half it's core to the Spag+SK fight and Chocolate had 10 members for 75% of the era.

It wasn't really a biggie to defeat us. The only decent fight that you could've gotten so far was if you fight Rebirth, but you didn't do that. You NAPed the only kingdom that could've given you a decent fight.

Pirate Lewatha, again, it is not about how we fight. It is about who we fight, and whether the toughness level and the gain factor is in our favour vis-a-vis fighting other kingdoms on other maps. In this case, Spaghetti was an extremely strong opponent, even for 4 kingdoms, and the gains were very very minimal.

And if you think it was no biggie to beat Chocolate and your own kingdom, well, that is your own personal thoughts. Personally, if I knew from the very beginning that the scoring system would be like this, I wouldn't even want to war Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate in the first place :P Many more places where we can get better returns for easier effort ^_^

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4/26/2009 7:56:08 PM

First of all i'll disregard your attempt to insult me since you havent met any standard to qualify to even make an attempt i'll just say this to that - LOL

Well, the standard that you applied to me is your own subjective standard. Since you believe the entire world revolves around you... then yes, I accept that I do not qualify to your standards ^_^

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4/26/2009 7:56:08 PM

regarding your actual input on the era scoring...  I disagree on pretty much everything you've said actually.    The way that the situaion is set up if you mass nap'd on Fantasia the era before and therefore technically earned a spot on Fantasia while other kingdoms fought and were probably gangbanged therefore landing them onto a lower world - does not entitle you to an easy win the following era. 

And vice versa.

Use your common sense here Quietone, and look from the other angle. Would it be fair for Fantasian kingdoms or kingdoms focusing mainly on Fantasia to fight tooth and nail against one another in tough battles and with minimal gains, only to lose to kingdoms who have had&nb*beep*uch easier time on a lower map? Is it worth going through hard wars with minimum gain when it would have been better to munch down on weak and new kingdoms for an easier path to era victory?

Like I said... my kingdom made a big strategical mistake to push hard for Fantasia since the beginning of this era. If we had known that all kingdoms on any map would have a chance to win Fantasia just by plonking a scout down in it, we would have basically tried to get ourselves placed on Nirvana, and start happily chowing down on the kingdoms there and building up our victory and kill scores. And once we have fattened up on these small kingdoms, we move to the next map, and so forth. No need to go after the fight-back-extremely-hard fish when there are the easy-to-eat fish to go for ^_^

Ultimately, Zeta should really think deeply about how his improvements affect the game. If the status quo scoring system (era 39) were to remain, this will only encourage all major kingdoms to seriously hunt for the weak kingdoms and go nub bashing on the lower worlds. If he really wants to give every kingdom an equal shot to win the era, then he should bring back one big Fantasia map. Let all the kingdoms intending to compete for the crown choose that map. Let the basic conditions for all kingdoms be equal. Don't provide an easier route for some kingdoms and a much more difficult route for others just from this basic map system alone, and especially, do not destroy the gameplay for the smaller and newer kingdoms and players.


21:16:07 Apr 26th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

Pirate Lewatha, again, it is not about how we fight. It is about who we fight, and whether the toughness level and the gain factor is in our favour vis-a-vis fighting other kingdoms on other maps. In this case, Spaghetti was an extremely strong opponent, even for 4 kingdoms, and the gains were very very minimal.

And if you think it was no biggie to beat Chocolate and your own kingdom, well, that is your own personal thoughts. Personally, if I knew from the very beginning that the scoring system would be like this, I wouldn't even want to war Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate in the first place :P Many more places where we can get better returns for easier effort ^_^

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I think I know more of abydos's capabilities than you do, being a vice there. We've fought SK+Spaghetti from OOP, lost half our core to them. While you guys weren't fighting anyone. Than , when you finally reached Spag, SK had been killed and chocolate took 90% of their cities. We started attacking spaghetti, who were falling back, and we took about 10-15 cities-ish. While you guys got much more for doing much less fighting.


I ask you, how hard can it be to beat a kingdom you have farmed more as, took more spoils as, warred less as, and last but not least, outnumber by almost 10 members.

And don't tell me Chocolate were fighting you too, as they were fighting mostly RVL and Sprout and Monkeystomp.


21:30:06 Apr 26th 09 - Pirate Lewatha:

wow, and I only just realised (I wasn't reading everyone else's rants)

you guys NAPed 4 major kingdoms, having started on zetamania... and you're still boasting about doing it the hard way


21:59:39 Apr 26th 09 - Commander Aligreat:

Well your knowledge of our fights is incomplete.

Our OOP was against Heaven, War Pigs and DMC simultaneously.

Heaven and War Pigs were in our immediate core, with all of us having cities amongst each other making for a very messy OOP, infact i was killed and forced to restart.

Once we removed War Pigs and heaven, DMC were already coming through our area with 2 merges and extreme amount of BTs from Insane, meanwhile War Pigs rebuilt, characteristic of Grim and those in his kingdom, they are very hard to pin down and kill off. At this time BOW came on and attacked us when we were discussing a NAP with them, which then became GOTF aswell.

Now had we not NAPed MAD...who were on the other side of Mant....we wud have had way too much. Why would we fight MAD for control of Mantrax? An entire world to ourselves, its pointless as we knew Fant is where you gotta take over.

Your beleif that all you need to do is to plop a scout is wrong, the only thing that carries over from other worlds is battle experience, which we obviously have had alot of...hence our members landing on HOH after taking a few cities on Fant.

So untill we even went onto Fant we had basically warred 5 kingdoms in quick succession.

We NAPed Rebirth as there was no point to fighting for control of Zetamania, we NAPed MAD as theres no point in fighting for Mantrax, Veggies on Fant. 1 kingdom on each world. Compared to your NAP of Fate, Juicy, Revelation, Rebirth....one for each of the 4 main worlds.

The only real fight you have had this era is MAD....even the Abydos members will say that you didnt face them at their best, you saw an opportunity for an easy kill, it ended up being harder than you thought.

As for your long marches with armories so far away...play smart and build some closer then.

 


22:53:17 Apr 26th 09 - Lady Friend of:

BWAHAHAHAHA! i  can post! bran smells! die!


23:45:18 Apr 26th 09 - Lady Loud Tone:

Lets not forget Ali, at one point Veggies had peace with MAD, too!


01:22:47 Apr 27th 09 - Sir Samulis The Veribalious:

Let's not forget our rules kids:

1. Don't be a nub, *beep*, or nubby-poo (unless you are you-know-who)

2. Only orcs can fight, all the others are just for backup and sp@mming

3. ZeTa is the God of Gods, respect him or die!

4. Only attack kds weaker than you if you want to live.

5. Sometimes it's good to just go in and raid then come out and go again.

6. Before posting on ENGLISH forums, learn how to read, write, and spell proper English.

7. The number 7 rocks!!!

8. Let's try to be slightly on topic.

 

On topic:

Usually the one w/ the most of everything wins. Yes, that includes farmers. I think ZeTa is going for fighters this era though.


12:13:36 Apr 27th 09 - Lady Loud Tone:

ZeTa is going for elves. I think hes got a secret crush on trolls and elves alike. He suddenly hates orcs.


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