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also how does being more 'warlike' affect your points? do you get points for taking a city or winnning a battle?

wtf are you going on about, i hope other ppl in Hull make more sense than you do

HULL

Aha, I love their accent's!

but then you'd be winning right? and you dont seem to be so that theory is flawed =)

I wouldn't say i've farmed too much, never fully built a city yet...

Sigh.... f-ing wrong strategy from the very beginning then.

Should have gone nub bashing instead of doing hard fighting.....

Doubt the fighting you guys were doing were hard.

Chocolate? Half beaten? Didn't seem like it.... when you guys were attacking Sprout and Monkeystomp.

Whored? I thought we were searching for practically the nearest enemy possible on Fantasia. Too bad it was an awful long walk to you guys, and most of the routes to our targets were blocked off from us.

oh and how did we not seem like it, we only managed to spare a few small armies to attack sprout, why do you think he won?

150k is spare for the warelike chocolates man!

you might wana get yours right

Mr. Fruit Basket [Veggie] (3/30/2009 8:32:24 PM)
Seems VU is back so here goes: Ok people, time to start! I didnt like the world at first but after a carefull study we could not have gotten a better spot! Our weak point as you all know is OOP, right now we will have an easy OOP. Make your first mine ONLY and an armory. Nobody makes a second mine in this world! We will secure the blockers and then INVADE fantasia! And make our main core in the lower right corner there! Lets start! And do place waypoints where you want your first mine! Summary: - Make 1 mine only - Make 1 armory only - Make a couple scouts to scout the area BUT DO NOT ENTER FANTASIA - Halflings, make scouts and send them into fantasia to see what kd lies on the other side! ------ Do check forums, I expect everybody to participate!

Your guys weakspot is OOP eh?

Normally, how we perform OOP depends on who is playing hardcore OOP warring. And how active the rest of the core members are.

Era of Superheroes and Godlike Nubs, the core members were pretty much gung ho for OOP and therefore fought hard. Era of Aurora and Elements, everyone was tired and wanted to take things slow, so OOP was pretty catastrophic.

This era, while we acknowledge that OOP is probably weakest point in our gameplay, we were very ready to fight an OOP war.

So would appreciate if you do not twist the words around Bran.

The standings should at least only count kills on the world they take place in. It should not be possible from someone from zeta, or starta to come snatch a city on fantasia and instantly be the most powerful ruler, even though they have not fought on fant at all.

That's funny Quietone. I always thought that I take after you in the whining department :) Glad to see that you haven't lost your touch ^_^

I cannot remember exactly all the kingdoms that you have fought, but I can safely say that, outside of your warring of Fate (who are anyway, facing a war on 3 - 4 fronts), the kingdoms Veggies have fought are: i) tougher than the kingdoms JUICY have fought, and ii) prone to raze all their cities thus leaving us little to no gains.

Also, Abydos faced us with 100% of their strength. Did you guys fight any substantial kingdom who were facing you with 100% of their strength? Care to enlighten me? :)

Cobra, go get the dog to hump your little ducky butt again please :)

*chuckles*

Me sounding bitter? I think your comprehension ability just failed there Quietone :) Either that, or you are speaking from experience. Most probably the latter ^_^

My questioning is mainly directed at the game mechanics and at Zeta, and less at other kingdoms. If we had known that this was the 'scoring' format that was going to be employed, we would have adopted a very different strategy altogether, rather than war hard, tough kingdoms like Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate. After all, why do things the hard way when there is always the easy route :P

Also two things cannot be denied: i) that this form of scoring tallying encourages kingdoms to pick on easy kingdoms and nubs on the lower level maps and discourages hard fighting (unless at an extreme strategic advantage), and ii) it is a little unfair for kingdoms who have worked very hard to secure assets on Fantasia in the thought that the old form of scoring was the status quo, only to find out that actually, anyone on any map can win just by plonking a scout down on Fantasia. Basically, kingdoms in Fantasia who fought tooth and nail among themselves are now buggered ^_^

seriously now TBL... you're not being very correct there..

you attacked spaghetti after abydos had fought them since OOP and FATE  started fighting them like 50 ticks before you guys arrived at their blockers, and attacked them with all your force, from a totally different direction that we were fighting. Of course you defeated them.

As for abydos and chocolate,

Abydos lost half it's core to the Spag+SK fight and Chocolate had 10 members for 75% of the era.

It wasn't really a biggie to defeat us. The only decent fight that you could've gotten so far was if you fight Rebirth, but you didn't do that. You NAPed the only kingdom that could've given you a decent fight.

OK, I'm back from work and footy! :) And I see there are some replies waiting for me ^_^

Commander Aligreat Report 4/26/2009 7:53:55 PM

rather than war hard, tough kingdoms like Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate. After all, why do things the hard way when there is always the easy route :P   You hit Abydos as they were nearly killed by Spag and SK (hardly fighting tough, hard battle there) It became a 4 vs 1 on Spag, so again, hardly a tough fight. You shy-ed away from fighting JUICY, FATE and RVL, the ones you knew were gonna be real hard fights. You played tactically and fought as much as you thought you could and now want to criticse other people for how much they have fought, i reckon JUICY had a lot harder fight than your participation in gangbangs.

You look down too  much on Abydos's capability.

Don't forget that at the end of the day, they are one of the victors against Spaghetti, and managed to get a substantial portion of the possible gains. Therefore, we were facing a pretty pumped up Abydos, who were also able to concentrate 100% on us. Factor in the very long supply lines (60 tick walks from our first armouries) (most of our routes to them were inadvertently blocked by our mutual NAP partner), their short supply lines, and them fighting a defensive war, and this becomes one extremely tough battle. Furthermore, facing 18 very determined and gritty players, who were very active in their defending, and would immediately raze their cities the moment they found themselves on the losing end, ultimately makes for a tough battle with very little gains.

With regard to Spaghetti, I do not deny that we took part in the gangbang, but I think you forget that we were stalled for most of the part, again, because of long supply lines (40 tick walks from first armouries to front line), and Spaghetti being a tough and relentless defender. Spaghetti and SK themselves almost successfully concluded operation Exterminate Sprout and Co Round 1 as well. And again, at the end of the day, they were still a very hard opponent to fight against, and the gains were extremely minimal since they razed most of their cities.

JUICY - as far as I am aware, before fighting Fate, you guys fought MAD (NAPed after you couldn't win), DMC (don't know much of the fight, so cannot comment), GOTF (easy access to them since most of their armies were facing Rebirth) and BOW (another easy access since most of their armies were battling Fate and Rebirth). No disrespect meant to these kingdoms, but between the choice of kingdoms that we fought and the ones JUICY fought in those conditions, I would very much rather be in JUICY's position.

Pirate Lewatha Report 4/26/2009 7:54:48 PM

seriously now TBL... you're not being very correct there.. you attacked spaghetti after abydos had fought them since OOP and FATE  started fighting them like 50 ticks before you guys arrived at their blockers, and attacked them with all your force, from a totally different direction that we were fighting. Of course you defeated them. As for abydos and chocolate, Abydos lost half it's core to the Spag+SK fight and Chocolate had 10 members for 75% of the era. It wasn't really a biggie to defeat us. The only decent fight that you could've gotten so far was if you fight Rebirth, but you didn't do that. You NAPed the only kingdom that could've given you a decent fight.

Pirate Lewatha, again, it is not about how we fight. It is about who we fight, and whether the toughness level and the gain factor is in our favour vis-a-vis fighting other kingdoms on other maps. In this case, Spaghetti was an extremely strong opponent, even for 4 kingdoms, and the gains were very very minimal.

And if you think it was no biggie to beat Chocolate and your own kingdom, well, that is your own personal thoughts. Personally, if I knew from the very beginning that the scoring system would be like this, I wouldn't even want to war Spaghetti, Abydos and Chocolate in the first place :P Many more places where we can get better returns for easier effort ^_^

Lady Quietone Report 4/26/2009 7:56:08 PM

First of all i'll disregard your attempt to insult me since you havent met any standard to qualify to even make an attempt i'll just say this to that - LOL

Well, the standard that you applied to me is your own subjective standard. Since you believe the entire world revolves around you... then yes, I accept that I do not qualify to your standards ^_^

Lady Quietone Report 4/26/2009 7:56:08 PM

regarding your actual input on the era scoring...  I disagree on pretty much everything you've said actually.    The way that the situaion is set up if you mass nap'd on Fantasia the era before and therefore technically earned a spot on Fantasia while other kingdoms fought and were probably gangbanged therefore landing them onto a lower world - does not entitle you to an easy win the following era.

And vice versa.

Use your common sense here Quietone, and look from the other angle. Would it be fair for Fantasian kingdoms or kingdoms focusing mainly on Fantasia to fight tooth and nail against one another in tough battles and with minimal gains, only to lose to kingdoms who have had&nb*beep*uch easier time on a lower map? Is it worth going through hard wars with minimum gain when it would have been better to munch down on weak and new kingdoms for an easier path to era victory?

Like I said... my kingdom made a big strategical mistake to push hard for Fantasia since the beginning of this era. If we had known that all kingdoms on any map would have a chance to win Fantasia just by plonking a scout down in it, we would have basically tried to get ourselves placed on Nirvana, and start happily chowing down on the kingdoms there and building up our victory and kill scores. And once we have fattened up on these small kingdoms, we move to the next map, and so forth. No need to go after the fight-back-extremely-hard fish when there are the easy-to-eat fish to go for ^_^

Ultimately, Zeta should really think deeply about how his improvements affect the game. If the status quo scoring system (era 39) were to remain, this will only encourage all major kingdoms to seriously hunt for the weak kingdoms and go nub bashing on the lower worlds. If he really wants to give every kingdom an equal shot to win the era, then he should bring back one big Fantasia map. Let all the kingdoms intending to compete for the crown choose that map. Let the basic conditions for all kingdoms be equal. Don't provide an easier route for some kingdoms and a much more difficult route for others just from this basic map system alone, and especially, do not destroy the gameplay for the smaller and newer kingdoms and players.

wow, and I only just realised (I wasn't reading everyone else's rants)

you guys NAPed 4 major kingdoms, having started on zetamania... and you're still boasting about doing it the hard way

BWAHAHAHAHA! i  can post! bran smells! die!

Let's not forget our rules kids:

1. Don't be a nub, *beep*, or nubby-poo (unless you are you-know-who)

2. Only orcs can fight, all the others are just for backup and sp@mming

3. ZeTa is the God of Gods, respect him or die!

4. Only attack kds weaker than you if you want to live.

5. Sometimes it's good to just go in and raid then come out and go again.

6. Before posting on ENGLISH forums, learn how to read, write, and spell proper English.

7. The number 7 rocks!!!

8. Let's try to be slightly on topic.

On topic:

Usually the one w/ the most of everything wins. Yes, that includes farmers. I think ZeTa is going for fighters this era though.