Vu Kingdoms Game

Vu Kingdoms Game

15:49:51 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Sladius:

Ok so i was think while i was playing :P there have been so epic kingdoms(Zeon :P) and some epic fail kingdoms(Carnage Jokes Storm :P) But i have seen Kingdoms rise then fall over the years iv been playing, and no i thought i would make a game about: Who do YOU! think is the most memrable KD to ever be in VU.

Everyone gets there one vote of a KD, then after a week the top 5 KDs wit hthe most Votes will then get voted on, then at the end of it.. everyone will know who the people of VU think is the most noteworthy KD in VU history!

I shall start, my vote is Legacy

17:02:33 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Eddie:

my vote is Kingdom of Hearts!

17:41:02 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Rebecca Black:

You don't even need a poll for this.

You'll have noobs coming in (like above) saying no-name KDs.

There is only one legendary kingdom to have dominated for years on end. It was Legacy.

/end thread.

18:17:16 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Pure:

I'd probably have to say Legacy as well

19:20:56 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Jellybean:

Legacy

19:24:26 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Reaper Dark:

Rebirth :)

19:54:12 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Newguy:

Zetas Zealots!

20:26:42 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Arkan The Automatic Grudge:

Phi

20:41:55 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Tyrgalon The Troll:

Zeon because it was my first kd, and it was one of the big ones way back. But Legacy was almost in its own class tbh...

21:05:26 Apr 30th 11 - Sir Horus XV:

Black Flag

21:15:42 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Jellybean:

Jelly Bean Empire :D

21:38:08 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Ender:

Carnage, because they took down Legacy.

21:47:44 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Newguy:

A few kingdoms racked up victories over Legacy. in such a long time they couldnt win always :P

00:33:53 May 1st 11 - Mr. Blues Brother:

Jesters

01:08:20 May 1st 11 - Mr. Ender:

But once Carnage came along, LGC never quite recovered to what they were before Carnage. That's why they get my vote. LGC was never able to dominate the same way except for when they allied with Carnage.

01:28:10 May 1st 11 - Mr. Rebecca Black:

Is that a joke?

It's like saying "Rome (LGC) was sacked by several tribes (Vandals/V, huns/DB, Goths/NT, Alans/Carnage). The Alans/Carnage happened to be one of those tribes who sacked the great empire, therefore Carnage was the greatest bestest most brilliant kingdom in VU.

Moron.

LGC declined because our players interests in the game waned. People quit and stopped logging in after having played the game for 3-4 years, but the banner carried on to remain as a focal point for the friends to communicate/play with one another. It was never a serious endeavour towards the end of our reign (hell, even I wasn't playing).

To say Carnage was superior to LGC is an absolute joke. As I said, LGC > all. Consider the thread finished.

01:37:54 May 1st 11 - Mr. Newguy:

Legacy was a shitty kingdom made up of old inactive players. carnage pissed all over it

01:39:10 May 1st 11 - Mr. Rebecca Black:

Carnage had to be great. They had over 80 members. :))))))))))

01:53:05 May 1st 11 - The Architect:

Moron? No need to call names here. I am Ender.

When Carnage came along and wiped the floor with LGC you were as strong as ever, only after that did LGC's interests start waning because you couldn't so easily destroy everybody.

We took you down, several times, then you disbanded. If you are better than everyone, and we took you out, simple math says we win.

And DB doesn't count in the demise of LGC because at DB's heart was LGC members. They split off from LGC, long after Carnage came along, and formed DB to go up against them. That was a large hit to LGC as several very good players left.

02:01:01 May 1st 11 - Mr. Newguy:

I call BS legacy got taken down long before that by Serenity etc. The activity dropped off long before carnage made it to the top

02:18:44 May 1st 11 - Sir Ajax:

lmfao I pick MAD they have been around for a very very long time and now they are the strongest they have ever been in the last couple of era's. on the otherhand i also pick THC :P cause im a stoner lol

02:21:49 May 1st 11 - The Architect:

I knew DB and LGC hated eachother, I heard you guys talk about it all the time in IRC. What I meant there is that when Q left, "she" (I use that term loosely) took other LGC members with her and they formed the core of DB. That means that DB was LGC. It doesn't mean you worked in cahoots, it simply means that the heart of DB were LGC members who split off to form a new KD.

You ask me this:

And what's this bullshit about DB being LGC?

And yet here:

The entire reason DB broke off from LGC was because Q and I had one of our common arguments, and she couldn't handle it anymore.

You prove my point that DB was made up of LGC.

The difference between Carnage and NT, Serenity, Smiths and the rest is that Carnage was able to repeatedly take down LGC. In the beginning LGC and Carnage fought and it was a crapshoot as to who would win. The we became allies and we dominated together. Those were fun days, I always enjoyed discussing politics with you guys. I don't remember exactly why, but one era LGC decided they didn't want to be our allies anymore, we ended up fighting and Carnage won. From then on, as I remember it, if LGC was not allied with Carnage, they lost (aside from the era when Venomz got deleted and Carnage disappeared due to him being our king and all).

I'm not saying LGC wasn't a freaking awesome KD, you raped all before anyone else did and held that position for a long time. However, when Carnage came along, things started to change. Aside from Ford's accident, I wasn't aware of any problems in the beginning. I know after a while, some LGC started falling off and that's when it started to dissolve.

11:26:45 May 1st 11 - Ms. Arwen The Cougar:

How could anyone forget Abydos?! Nah, not the most memorable, but still worth a mention imo.

DB was nowhere near LGC, having been there and still playing with a few ex-DB players, you should have seen the argument they had :P Every kingdom consists of players who once played for a different kingdom... That doesn't make it the same kingdom.

And comparing Carnage to Legacy is not very realistic, Legacy obviously stood higher on the ladder of "skill" and thus memorability (they got what? 20 era wins?). In my opinion Abydos also is more "memorable" than carnage but than again, I'm quite biased :)

17:41:02 Apr 30th 11 - Mr. Rebecca Black:

Report

ditto

(Lew)

12:45:54 May 1st 11 - Mr. Pure:

11:18:44 May 1st 11 - Sir Ajax:
lmfao I pick MAD they have been around for a very very long time and now they are the strongest they have ever been in the last couple of era's. on the otherhand i also pick THC :P cause im a stoner lol

We are talking ever. MAD does not stack up to what Legacy or Carnage were. We are one of the strongest kd of this time but we don't stand out at all. DS, HEX and MAD are all quite equal. We may have the odd good era or streak but we were never able to classify as one of the greats due to our inconsistency. But thank you for the compliment :P

12:59:11 May 1st 11 - Mr. Locke:

Carnage ;)

13:59:06 May 1st 11 - Mr. Sloan:

There was a good one I think it was called 'Jokers' or something like that? Anyone remember?

16:44:02 May 1st 11 - Lord Stormcrowe:

geez...flames over kingdoms long dead and buried....are we this bored? tbh i dont even know why their is arguing going on...despite my hatred for some of their members, legacy will always be THE kingdom in vu history.

<Carnage was nothing more then a two bit KD with a few good members trying to get their 15 minutes of fame... nothing more.

i gave up my flaming ways a long time ago...and i am not going to bother addressing alot of the funnier comments in here except for this one....2-bit? trying to get our 15 minutes?

F U slade.

Peace out.

17:22:21 May 1st 11 - Ms. Wilberforce:

Alright my top 5 (Only counting the KDs that have been around since I have):

5. Carnage
4. Agent Smith + related KDs
3. NT
2. Dark Blood
1. Legacy

A mention to:
Mirror and IE as they seemed to be pretty good, but that was in my newbie days.
MAD, for the sheer amount of time they've stayed together.
Dark Side, pretty much reigning lately.

Some others I've forgot to give an honourable mention, but meh.

03:19:54 May 2nd 11 - Mr. Sladius:

i gave up my flaming ways a long time ago...and i am not going to bother addressing alot of the funnier comments in here except for this one....2-bit? trying to get our 15 minutes?

F U slade.

lol Storm thats not nice.. :( i did mention Carnage had some good members.. you.. yarlin, Venomz.. and 2 others i cant remember at this moment :P.. but i will always dislike Carnage andf the way they went about things, so i will stand my ground on my comments!

00:03:12 May 3rd 11 - Mr. Hanky Panky:

Legacy

My kingdoms... Trio, No Pulse, HEX consider this as hex's second era

:D

MAD

17:48:57 May 4th 11 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

Fate.

18:21:34 May 4th 11 - Ms. Arwen The Cougar:

It's odd how abydos doesn't even get a MENTION.. I won't say we were most memorable, but really? IE, NT, Carnage, MAD above Abydos? :P

18:21:56 May 4th 11 - Mr. Panic XI:

Shinopi Empire... since were throwing nonsense out there

06:26:08 May 5th 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:

The most memorable kingdom in Visual Utopia? Obviously Legacy. This isn't even a topic that is worthy of debate, everyone recognizes it and those who claim any other kingdom was more memorable are either trolls, idiots, or noobs.

Legacy was around for an extremely long time and was always the dominant kingdom on Fantasia. Did Legacy ever lose? Yes, but never because it was outplayed. It was always the best kingdom during it's time, and even the best kingdom can get stuck in an unwinnable situation.

The notion that Carnage is the most memorable kingdom in Visual Utopia's history because it "beat" Legacy (A better, more memorable kingdom) would be like suggesting that my toilet paper is valuable because I wipe my ass with it.

After watching Legacy roll over Fantasia since Era 16 for like 6 or 7 eras I eventually managed to get into it and play with Legacy for 2 eras during the period of time in which Abydos/Carngage/V/other noteworthy kingdoms were on Fantasia, and then for another 2 or 3 eras after the DB split towards the end up until Legacy disband. I can't say I was in Legacy throughout it's entire history, but I was playing Visual Utopia on Fantasia for a damn long part of it.

During the time I played with Legacy it became apparent that a lot of the older players were going inactive or just sticking around for the social connection of the #mafia IRC channel and to talk with players that they had played with for years. Players like Sezymon and many others stopped playing the game, but still used IRC. I suppose it's much the same reason that someone like Swifty still trolls the VU forums like he did many years ago despite the fact that he doesn't even play the game any longer. Regardless of how many players lost interest in the game, I maintain the fact that Legacy was STILL the best kingdom, BY FAR, up until it disband.

Was Carnage a memorable kingdom? Sure, it was a memorable kingdom because the remnants of Carnage loitered around the VU community for many eras even after it disband (Foundation, Fate, ect) and formed some pretty good kingdoms with the same core group of ex-Carnage players. But let's be honest here, Carnage was a mediocre kingdom even it's prime, and the Carnage core group of players has always over-glorified it.

Carnage maintained a carebear NAP policy (one that ex-Carnage members would carry on to later kingdoms) in which it would always arrange relations in such a way that it would never be in a position that was remotely unfavorable, and they still got stomped repeatedly. I can't be bothered to dig through the forums to find it, but I still remember everyone shitting all over Carnage on the forums for having all of Fantasia NAP'd except one or two kingdoms (both of which were fighting multiple enemies). It was a common theme for Carnage to ignore social precedents in Visual Utopia and NAP/MAP however many kingdoms they wanted to.

Did Carnage ever "defeat" Legacy? Yes, they beat our merge and subsequent Great Wall one era that I vaguely remember, but it was far from being a fair fight. I don't remember the exact details, I just remember it took place around one of those minorly crossed Greatwalls that had become acceptable behavior to cross in that specific location (and this type of thing eventually led to their removal due to the grey-zone of "Passable"). Hell, Abydos beat our merge once too in the many eras that Legacy fought those 2 kingdoms. Does that make Carnage remotely comparable to Legacy? Of course not. Carnage is pretty much on par with Abydos, if not less memorable and worse as a kingdom.

11:57:46 May 5th 11 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

Well, this thread should be qualified by the caveat "what was the most noteworthy kingdom in your game during your time in the game", because in my time, and I certainly didn't play the game during Legacy's "glory years", the strongest and / or most memorable kingdom wasn't Legacy. But then again, maybe I am not "vet" enough too.

But if based on actual records, then yes, Legacy, with their 9 victories, would be one of the most, if not the most, memorable kingdoms of VU.

14:02:29 May 5th 11 - Pirate Lewatha:

I'm pretty sure LGC got more than 9 victories, but am too lazy to go check.

Carnage is pretty much on par with Abydos, if not less memorable and worse as a kingdom.

Was Carnage a BAD kingdom? No, it was a standard above average kingdom that existed in the mid-late 20's that is still remembered today because it played a noteworthy part in the history of Visual Utopia.

--> agreed

But let's be honest, you overglorify LGC a bit Barny, sure, LGC was the best kingdom on average. But they've had their crappy era's too, so has every kingdom. But claiming LGC has never been beaten unless it was in an unwinnable situation is a bit too much..

15:00:36 May 5th 11 - Mr. Stormcrow:

<and the Carnage core group of players has always over-glorified it.>

the irony is killing me....KILLING ME!!!

Having been a former member of both abydos and carnage, i could make good arguments for their awesomeness and their victories over legacy ( i can go forum digging too;)...same can be done for other kingdoms by their former members Serenity, NARRSE, Saiyan, NT, V, Phi, several other notable ones:)

at the end of the day it boils down to this.

opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and they generally smell like sh!t.

@tbl: glad to see you still around<3

04:23:18 May 6th 11 - Mr. Earp:

The Military... back when Frank Castle was there... man that guy was awesome =P

04:41:55 May 6th 11 - Mr. Razios:

Legacy. It had the best banner. I like the color blue...

10:21:53 May 6th 11 - Mr. Barny The Late Starter:

05:02:29 May 5th 11 - Pirate Lewatha:

But let's be honest, you overglorify LGC a bit Barny, sure, LGC was the best kingdom on average. But they've had their crappy era's too, so has every kingdom. But claiming LGC has never been beaten unless it was in an unwinnable situation is a bit too much..

Fair enough, I will concede that. In general I still think that Legacy was the best kingdom during the time period in which it existed, even towards the end.

06:00:36 May 5th 11 - Mr. Stormcrow:

As if it wasn't obvious, I was trolling a bit there when I spoke of Carnage. Note how I downplay Carnage as portray them as a terrible kingdom and call them mediocre, but in a more serious section I speak a bit more honestly and refer to them as having been decent/above average.

Like many players in the past, Kingdoms have also been overglorified.

That said, throughout this thread you have continuesly stressed the point that "Victories" are acceptable means from which you can judge a kingdom's skill/memorability to the point that it is as though victories are the only factor that concerns you.

Typical Carnage NAP-everyone-to-win logic!

If you were to judge a kingdom's worth by wins and wins alone, Legacy would still be the best kingdom. Regardless of this, worse kingdoms have beaten better kingdoms throughout all of Visual Utopia's history. By itself, losing doesn't make a kingdom worse and winning doesn't make them better.

14:35:38 May 6th 11 - Lord Stormcrowe:

<That said, throughout this thread you have continuesly stressed the point that "Victories" are acceptable means from which you can judge a kingdom's skill/memorability to the point that it is as though victories are the only factor that concerns you.>

lol

i only posted twice in this thread, doubt you can call that "continuously", and mention victories only once. You took what i said completely out of context...obviously i KNOW victories are not the only criteria to judge a kingdom, dont put words into my mouth or make assumptions about me.

i had written a long post but meh, i realized something important...

i just dont care:D

16:51:10 May 6th 11 - Mr. Tactical Nuclear Penguin:

Stormcrow <3 I check the game once in awhile.... sad to see that there have been no improvements to it and Zeta is still in a stupor :(

I still think the most memorable kingdom in my time in the game, considering all the kingdoms and players I played with and against (and I have fought Legacy 3 times, and played with their core players subsequently), is Fate. We really rocked and rolled the era Carina won :)

17:41:18 May 6th 11 - Mr. Newguy:

If i recall correctly

Serenity was easily the equal of Legacy during the time it exsisted. Carnage with its numbers would put up a good fight if not win Abydos beat Legacy as many times as Legacy beat them. NT was a very strong kingdom in its time.

IMO Legacy was a great kingdom yes but it was never far superior to the other kingdoms of the time. What makes LGC stand out is the perdiod that it played at the top. Legacy was in the top 3 kingdoms era after era after era while the other kingdoms disbanded or slipped from power.

It is my opinion that during the time of the big 5 (Carnage, Abydos, Phi, Legacy and zeon) (i think they were the 5 top kingdoms for about 4-5 eras) that Diplomacy played a much larger role then pure skill. Those 5 kingdoms were roughly on par for power most eras as the epic stalemate before x walls were taken out prooved. Legacy always seem to find allies which is another reason they were constantly a top kingdom.

Flame away bitches :D

18:54:52 May 6th 11 - Mr. Effer:

I really wouldnt know about most of this, but in most the stories I have heard Foundation/Fate had a stranglehold on the worlds during their prime like no other. Perhaps its just whom I associate with, but I certainly wouldnt mind hearing more from the older players on the matter >:)

21:22:24 May 6th 11 - Lord Stormcrowe:

<I still think the most memorable kingdom in my time in the game, considering all the kingdoms and players I played with and against (and I have fought Legacy 3 times, and played with their core players subsequently), is Fate. We really rocked and rolled the era Carina won :)>

I would take the Fate roster we had at that time any day of the week as well tbl:D

23:46:59 May 6th 11 - Mr. Rebecca Black:

Legacy/ZeTas Zealots/Mafia/OWN = Greatest kingdom ever.

Carnage = Mass recruiting skilless scrubs.

01:56:47 May 7th 11 - Emperor Alexius Septimus Cidellus:

I would be inclined to agree that Legacy was the most memorable kingdom in the history of Visual Utopia...

...

Next to Spamalot, of course! ;-)

04:36:50 May 7th 11 - Mr. Underated Sexmachine:

Credit where credit is due. Legacy would have to be the most consistently high performing kingdom that we have had in VU. Some of the other kingdoms mentioned can certainly claim to have had great lineups and even moments of greatness but the length of time that Legacy put first class eras together is hard to match. So kudos to them.

13:26:09 May 8th 11 - Mr. Newguy:

I think whatever kd Lew is in is the worst kd :)

13:31:05 May 8th 11 - Mr. Newguy:

I R NOT SWIFFERS!

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