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If you would have read my post instead of beeing an ignorant and brainless *beep* you would have seen that i am saying that it has to do with PERSONAL TASTE. But noo u just "Go cavemasters go!"

wait, how is troll magic better than dwarf?

Troll magic is good because the mages cost just 35 gold each and have one OP.

edit: OP = Offensive Point

(Edited by Mr. Hey Gorgeous 9/10/2006 2:51:54 AM)

Yes, but it makes it more favorable to train mages and have lots of them in your army.

i found dwarf magic better than troll. You needed thousands more troll shamans and dwarfs sciences were better.

I personaly love ork i can make Nazguls wich are 150/150 i got a army size of the three dots (will update when i find out) so ppl think im a threat and BOOM take over a few citys with it for they under estamate my size also orks can have HUGE armys but their regular infentry is weak. I like the ork for their range of military units.

yeah what mr. Zec said elves are better then humans and they should be best in magic *they are born magicians* they have a archmagician two spell caster units with a 6/6   

Bah,all this are just subjective opinions and useless.For example i think orcs have by far the best military(at least x2 better then trolls) and dwarfs make the best mage race since all the usefull spells are lvl 4 or below,and with the massive dwarf income bonus(including good use of cavemasters) dwarfs can pump massive amounts of MU's thus making them the best,not worst,magic using race.

	Military	Magic	Economy
Humans	****	***	****
Elf	***	*****	****
Orc	*****	**	***
Dwarf	**	*	*****
Troll	****	****	**
Halfling	****	**	****

I say this.

	Military	Magic	Economy
Human	***	***	****
Elf	*****	*****	**
Dwarf	***	****	*****
Halfling	***	***	****
Orc	*****	***	****
Troll	*****	****	***

My opinion.
Dwarf has better military b/c of huge economy, same goes with magic.
Orc has better economy then troll b/c no need to waste extra land on huge amounts of homes in armoury city and same with peasants.

Obviously not balanced.

(Edited by Mr. Ignis The Walker 3/31/2007 4:59:11 AM)

No it doesn't look right. People really shouldn't make these race sheets unless they have a good grasp and knowledge of the game and races. Stating the race sheets are like that is very misleading.

My take right now:

	Military	Magic	Economy
Human	****	****	****
Elf	****	*****	***
Dwarf	***	****	*****
Halfling	**	***	***
Orc	****	***	***
Troll	****	****	***

Humans have one of the better militaries going. It's magic is pretty decent, humans have the bonus of buying goods cheaper than their selling price, making better gains StG wise when used with stones. Economicly average, but if the cheaper stone bonus is used effectively with StG, humans have a fairly good economy.

Elf has a good military. Best level 1 units coming OOP, and the best late game units once a high level magic and military science has been reached. For magic, it's pretty good, has the cheap magic sciences which mean they're able to progress magicly much faster. Economicly, their decent. With StG they can do a lot better.

Dwarf military is sub par on its own, but when coupled with their monstrous economy, they're strong militarily. Magicly too, they're pretty decent so long as they have the economic powerhouse and pez trains behind them. Economicly, they're the best by far.

Halfling, poor military, average magic, average economy. The only good thing about halfling is their cheap troop costs for their respective levels, meaning their end round score is much higher than most others would be, but in terms of actual playing ability, they're terrible.

Orc, their military is pretty good, although they don't have allied upkeep in towns meaning the only productive unit for them is naz, which takes some time to establish with the big armouries, and their unit strength isn't anything to be overwhelmed by. Magicly, they're decent, StG is probably required to make them useful with the naz and low land size to make naz production efficient. Economicly, they're decent.

Troll, decent military, zerks losses in battle can be a pain late game though. Magic is pretty good too, the cheap MUs come in handy for heavy StGing, their economy isn't all that great, but couple it with StG like the others, and benefits can be reaped.

(Edited by Mr. Hungrier Horse 3/31/2007 2:27:13 PM)

I trust my judgement better than yours, as I actually know what I'm talking about.

Humans military is good on it's own, coupled with its bonus of buying cheaper goods for stg, makes them incredibly potent, allowing for a greater number of troops to be deployed. Without the StG usage, of course human would lag behind, but I'd expect most smart players to know how to work their races the best. You're looking at them purely from the score spreadsheet on the guide here. Look at the bigger picture, and the actual bonuses and how they can be used to work with the race.

Troll zerk losses are horrific late game (so in most battles, you'll end up losing more zerks than say, the enemt who is using entirely axemen, even though you won on high %'s and had higher military sci), so yes, they're on par with humans, perhaps even worse with the incredibly high casaulty rate from the zerks "special attack", and the human cheap market across the board.

Orcs aren't effective at all, or at least to the level you're making them out to be. Their only useful unit really is nazgul because of their no-allied upkeep problem, which makes large armies nearly impossible with stacking duties, and to get nazguls anyhow you need a large economy. Large  economy requires a high amount of builds, but having a high amount of builds skyrockets the nazgul price, meaning the only viable solution is a landdrop for cheap prices, which is counter productive in the long term, and is only effective for fighting, so yes, they're on par with humans.

Elf is probably slightly ahead of human, but I was hesitant to put it at a full 5 stars military because of its mediocre level 2 and 3 units. Add the fact that to get the best elf unit, the archies, up and running, requires a long time to get the high magic and mil sci, it only makes elves viable as a very early game fighting race (ghosts) or very late fighter (archies)


As for halflings? Absolutely terrible race, the worst of all. As I said in my previous message, the only reason halfling is ranked so highly is because of end scores having a large factor of the type of troop used. Catapults, archies, naz, caves, zerks and advents all use the same endscore point figure, meaning the cheaper units (advents and caves) give an unrealisticly higher score. Otherwise, halflings are completely useless ingame.

Since when his human military good on it's own? Yes, with stg usage they can compare, but by itself the military is horrible. Knight's are bad, cata's extremely bad.
Stging also got nerfed a bit from the market. No more refreshing every 2 secs for cheap stone.
And orc doesn't need to land drop at all...their naz unit is still only beatable by the elves's insane archmages. No, they are not amazing, but saying it's on par with human military is an insult.
I agree with the fact halfing sucks, but two stars seems a bit extreme.


(Edited by Mr. Ignis The Walker 3/31/2007 4:26:07 PM)

That's stupid. There's no need to land drop at all, that's like saying all other races have to land drop too, b/c all other races have worse units than orc except for archmages.

Mr. Hungrier Horse 3/30/2007 8:23:19 PM

I say you have no idea what you're talking about, Metacom. Elf military is better than that. Orc military is weaker than that. Orc  magic is better than that. Dwarf military is better than that. Dwarf magic is FAR better than that. Troll economy is FAR better than that. Halfling military is FAR weaker than that.

I know when I don't know what I'm taking about you... you... ahhh who the *beep* cares. This is what it looks like when I don't know what I'm talking about:

	Military	Magic	Economy
Humans
Elf
Orc
Dwarf
Troll
Halfling

 http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s69/mike2977625/AlmostTHEEND.jpg

i agree with Andrei  Hungrier Horse made the best sheet

orcs  best in begining and end, since there troop don't need much of training and ready in a few turn

what

a squrril???

but dont you end up paying more in magic levels for archmages than just armouries and training price for Nazguls? just make more nazgul at the begnning...

		Military	Magic	Economy
Human		******	*****	****
Elf		*****	********	****
Dwarf		*******	****	******
Halfling		*****	*****	*****
Orc		*******	****	****
Troll		********	****	*****

Aden? Interesting name....are you by any chance the Aden who was Kingdom if Heaven so many eras ago?

"As for halflings? Absolutely terrible race, the worst of all. As I said in my previous message, the only reason halfling is ranked so highly is because of end scores having a large factor of the type of troop used. Catapults, archies, naz, caves, zerks and advents all use the same endscore point figure, meaning the cheaper units (advents and caves) give an unrealisticly higher score. Otherwise, halflings are completely useless ingame."

and yet twice now ive managaed to killl troll orc human armies with ease :P

so your saying that this far into the era(about 3/4 days), you can match sheer numbers of halfling and are not running low on food, can you afford a 5k army already, seriosuly i know i could

there advs are better than an orcs ogre, so theyre not completely bad

if you factor in price the adv is almost as good as the nazgul, and i think the adv ability adds a bit to their usefulness, whereas the nazguls ability is useless, unless you like your nazguls crispy