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Mr. Sun 9/30/2007 12:21:42 PM	MAD built the vertical one left of Finally and built the wall Finally by modifying wall-building-url-script to adjust its length and going right thru the opening (blocker razed) of the left vertical wall. Now the admin simply takes out our left half of Sun Block and top half of mad's vertical wall, giving complete advantage to the enemies. NOW our area is split in half by the vertical wall, making one side wide open to the enemy. What are you smoking Z_E_T_A? Is this the best you could do for your game? You are not a G_O_D, you are just a person with a small heart.
Ms. Natalia Report 9/30/2007 12:31:26 PM	I love that blocker, plus i don't see anything against the rules about it. unless i missed something like you guys not showing the whole picture?
Mr. Atreides Report 9/30/2007 12:31:33 PM	Uh..isn't that pretty much fair? Now you can attack behind their wall, and they can attack behind yours (well, behind where the walls previously were). You can even attack Stopped now, which would have been blocked if that half of the wall remained. Maybe I'm missing something because I suck.....sorry if what I said is really dumb b/c i'm not realizing some very basic fact that would change the whole situation.
Mr. Seloc Report 9/30/2007 12:32:00 PM	This will never catch on.....
Mr. Sun 9/30/2007 12:41:40 PM	it was like this before
Mr. Aligreat Owning Banehallow Report 9/30/2007 12:54:55 PM	So they built their wall to make us take a really long detour to get to sun block and made Baldurs Gate useless and unreachable. Now that part has been removed the useless blocker is now very open. It just seems like everytime we hold them off the game/admin  does something which screws us over again. But like usual they will fail and think of something else. You couldnt break sun block cus we were getting support to it so u made your wall to prolong our troops, even still you failed and now that you know this i just kinda find it weird that the vertical wall that prevents a 6tick passage between Baldurs Gate and  Sun Block is still being left in place
Guildmaster Drenthinio Report 9/30/2007 12:56:57 PM	Thanx Zeta :(
Mr. Ingo Von Lucker Report 9/30/2007 1:02:11 PM	*a dimly lit room . two men are in there* ... Mylord ... we just got word that the wall is down ... Very Good .. tell the Horde that we march against Baldurs Gate now !!! They are alrdy on their way master... Good work .. oh and btw ....  tell the quartermaster to give ZeTa the promised money ... he has done a good job yes mylord .. .....................
Mr. Asystole Report 9/30/2007 1:03:02 PM	Why don't you post a picture of what Sean Elderson attempted to do in the east Sun (i.e., wall off our entire area with X-walls through wall openings)? If you're going to complain at least be unbiased. Though I do agree there needs to be some rules on what is legal and not for walls.
Mr. Asystole Report 9/30/2007 1:08:38 PM
Duke Mielo Report 9/30/2007 1:25:41 PM	pfff personally it really starts itching for a massive departure from VU ... I'm getting really sick of all this crap ... Be fair and delete the last wall ... Or else just tell us you are in MAD or what kind of kingdom that is fighting Dark Blood Really lame, no other words I can think of right now ... bah
Mr. Asystole Report 9/30/2007 1:33:53 PM	Are you guys kidding, seriously? You wall abuse as bad as anyone. Nemesis never pulled any stunts like that against you guys. Zeta had to delete all the illegal walls you put in our land too.
Mr. Aligreat Owning Banehallow Report 9/30/2007 1:35:42 PM	Though I do agree there needs to be some rules on what is legal and not for walls.   To the suggestions page! *Batman Music*
Duke Mielo Report 9/30/2007 1:36:03 PM	Seriously ??? guy you must be joking ... look at what ZeTa has done ... He screwed up our entire defense? Our blocker our wall??? Of course it's fair for you guys who are attacking us ... of course it is ... *beep* this game
Pirate Lewatha Report 9/30/2007 1:37:25 PM	OMFG zeta, WTF did you do.    Are you on crack?!
Mr. Sigheart Report 9/30/2007 1:38:33 PM	DB had better start start getting ready for pure massacreing.
Mr. Spankylicious Report 9/30/2007 1:39:19 PM	ZeTa is really messed in the head.
Mr. Asystole Report 9/30/2007 1:39:38 PM	Zeta looked into it because Sean Elderson [DB] built the X-walls in our land. As far as I see it, you guys got exactly what you deserved.
Duke Mielo Report 9/30/2007 1:43:00 PM	asystole go get bumped in your enlarged whoring a-hole ... this isn't even the slightest form of getting 'exactly what you deserved' ... That is just lame and trying to get 1 kingdom killed ... Really this is frustrating, and pissing me off ... Why even bother playing VU ... I think I'm done for now
Pirate Lewatha Report 9/30/2007 1:43:35 PM	at least we didn't *beep*ing farm for the whole of the era GOD DAMN IT!
Khan Emmula Report 9/30/2007 1:46:20 PM	Dunno... This is all just stupid. Zeta should clarify the wall stuff between eras, not allowing cross walls - i dont think it would be a too difficult task to set the rules - and not destroying walls randomly. Btw... it is a two way thing. This deletion has exactly the same result for us (MAD) as for you guys.
Pirate Lewatha Report 9/30/2007 1:51:31 PM	the fact is, you guys built the crosswall... And we're the ones paying for it. Okay, I wasn't exactly pleased with the crosswall you had made. But it was fair, we were doing the same. But now, he just OPENED our core!
Mr. Ingo Von Lucker Report 9/30/2007 1:52:31 PM	"at least we didn't *beep*ing farm for the whole of the era GOD DAMN IT!" i wont call it faming .... it is more an economic victory
Mr. Rock Hard Reginald Report 9/30/2007 2:10:37 PM	Just to explain whats happened to those who aren't aware of whats going on, or don't readily understand it. DB built blockers across their entrance, just like the one in the picture below. A pretty standard tactic, you can find many of them across fantasia right now. Zeon for example, have used one. There isn't anything wrong with them, the area is still accessable: MAD then started building their own assortment of crossedwalls in a messy fashion. None of them broke the rules, either, the area was still passable. What they did do though, was build a downward wall cutting Sun Block in two. ZeTa then intervened, and I don't know why -- the area was still passable, and instead of removing the walls that MAD had placed, he cut off a portion of DB's legit wall. So what's happened? Well, it's opened a gaping hole to DB's left now, one in which they can't fill, because ZeTa has tactically left the portion down the middle (to the left of sun block city) intact. It's sort of like God putting a river between you and your destination, then removing a gigantic mountain that was in your enemies path. That is why DB is angry. MAD built a series of walls that ZeTa doesn't like, ZeTa removed DBs legit walls, and now MAD have been given a clear advantage. In essence, DB was punished at MAD's expense for the walls MAD built. Sounds immature to call the game admin not impartial, but this isn't the first time we've seen this kind of thing. To those who have played long, they'll remember that this kind of "favour one kd over another" mentality has been rampant throughout VU, and caused quite a few to leave in the past because of it.
Duke Mielo Report 9/30/2007 2:16:38 PM	might happen again ...
Mr. Spoon Report 9/30/2007 2:17:54 PM	I'm on DB's side here. What the *beep* is up with this? Zeta- you better make it up with DB?..
Mr. Twister Report 9/30/2007 2:42:40 PM	Hmm yes, the matters should be resolved, primarily to save the boys and girls here from a mental breakdown ;) P.S. Hey there IvL, my old Solaris amigo! (Saulens here) ;)
Mr. Messiah Report 9/30/2007 2:42:40 PM	Sux.
Khan Emmula Report 9/30/2007 2:45:09 PM	Ehhh... Forgot to mention: - that the wall that crossed Sun Blocker and was deleted by Zeta was NOT built by MAD, and was favorable only for us, then it was deleted without explanation, and we had to reform and rethink our defense. - when that wall was removed, it was the only wall removed, nothing i remember from DB's legitim walls. - DB's legit walls crossed a MAD town, that was exactly near the wall, or i should rather say: under the wall. THis MAD town was taken by a Legacy army from the other side of the wall, which again, is quite a big bug abuse - So it is quite useless to point how this stupid wall deletion is benefiting anyone, it took MAD by the same surprise as DB.
Guildmaster Drenthinio Report 9/30/2007 2:45:46 PM	yeah looks like a perfect moment to quit.
Guildmaster Drenthinio Report 9/30/2007 2:47:44 PM	Khan that wall that was crossing sun block WAS BUILT BY MAD!!.
Mr. Santa Claus Report 9/30/2007 2:48:37 PM	Would be nice to see a post of Zeta here...
Mr. Atreides Report 9/30/2007 2:50:48 PM	Wasn't the point of the MAD cross-wall that they would only have to defend Finally instead of Stopped and Let count the K? It seems to hurt both KD's equally. DB's gotta defend both blockers, and so does MAD.
Mr. Sun 9/30/2007 2:57:32 PM	Khan Emmula Report 9/30/2007 2:45:09 PM Ehhh... Forgot to mention: - that the wall that crossed Sun Blocker and was deleted by Zeta was NOT built by MAD, and was favorable only for us, then it was deleted without explanation, and we had to reform and rethink our defense. ____________________________________ THE ONE sticking on top of SUN BLOCK was built by MAD, and it was built not using "hovering over map" technique, it was done by "MODIFYING the wall URL script" to change its length and position specifically to stick into Sun Block, so the army was STUCK inside the city unable to even set a path out. (zeta did remove that, but not till you guys were preping on sun block when we cannot reinforce it, and cannot move out of it) the OTHER one that crosses between sun block and picky is ALSO done by MAD. I did not have a problem with MAD's wall Final except the part that the vertical one between Sun block and picky it goes thru  and cut off our reinforcement route. But how zeta "resolved" it was not the best of anyone's interest.
Crazy Xuaron Report 9/30/2007 2:58:12 PM	Im partly to blame here LOL I requested zeta to delete the Walls that DB builded Near our core witch completly closed us from that part of the Map. But Zeta did a litle more i supose LOL. I agree that the wall of DB shouldnt had been deleted. But well if you didnt builded those X walls at our core This wouldnt have happend coz i wouldnt have requested the deleting of those walls.
Khan Emmula Report 9/30/2007 2:58:30 PM	I might be wrong, but i dont think the first wall that crossed Sun Block was built by MAD. The second one, that is still there was built by MAD, that's for sure. BUT a useful thing would be to have the admins read this thread, and care to explain thoroughly all the wall deletions one by one, possibly with pictures: - why each wall was destroyed - why were others left intact - all the logic and timing behind the deletions. That at least would give a touch of sensibility to sg that now looks to be a completely chaotic and game destroying series of "deus ex machina"
Mr. Asystole Report 9/30/2007 3:00:46 PM	Well walls are so screwed up. Walls with no town should blow up. That would make impassable crosswalls a lot harder to create.
Mr. Spankylicious Report 9/30/2007 3:02:02 PM	Khan you're kidding yourself... forum mods don't even explain when they delete a post/thread, do you think ZeTa will do it for the walls? HA! I'd ask "What were you thinking ZeTa?", but I feel the real question is "Why didn't you think ZeTa?".
Mr. Ingo Von Lucker Report 9/30/2007 3:02:56 PM	Saulens ol chap and Mentor ... :-D Mister Twister fits you and checking the Highscores i see you are ruling Mantrax just like in the Era of Crissxcross. Lets talk further in PM
Ms. Quietone Report 9/30/2007 3:04:19 PM	the whole thing is screwed up and has been since the moment all of you started putting down those walls that clearly were inappropriate thanks to all of you who have totally ruined this game.  The fact that we even had to sit and wait while zeta screwed it up even more just makes this era complete.... have fun pretending to win a war you never really tried fighting in the first place.  AS for me i wont bother to log in the rest of the era
Crazy Xuaron Report 9/30/2007 3:14:30 PM	"the whole thing is screwed up and has been since the moment all of you started putting down those walls that clearly were inappropriate" your KD was also part of the inappropriate wall building.
Ms. Quietone Report 9/30/2007 3:17:33 PM	Xuaron you have no idea what you're talking about so shut up  we never built an inapproriate wall until a wall suddenly apppeared across the middle of our wall blocker  you guys just shut up already with your weak ass attempts to try and even something you clearly know is wrong
Mr. Mastro Geppus Report 9/30/2007 3:18:08 PM	Omg....guys....are you kidding me????? The first who started to "put down those walls that clearly were inappropriate" has been Sun when he built Sunblocker. That gave you the advantage of defending 1 blocker instead of 2 blocker...is that fair? I dont think so. NO CROSS WALL should be allowed. Then lats Zeta action was started by Xuaron that complained for the walls that were locking Nemesis out....built by DB!!!!!!!! Crazy Xuaron Report 9/30/2007 12:58:12 PM Im partly to blame here LOL I requested zeta to delete the Walls that DB builded Near our core witch completly closed us from that part of the Map. ....and now that Mad has an additional blocker to defend as DB has.....DB is here crying and complaining to leave the game???????? That's absurd.....incredible....disappointing...crazy!!!! I am sorry you guys did not win this war or this era...and were blocked by a bunch of what you would define just "nabs..". .....but that's the crude reality for this era and yo uhave to accept it.  So stop complaining and fight as you claim to fight on the battlefield. Thanks,   P.s.: DB/Legacy for sure are not the best folks to complain about cross walls  or taking cities in the other side of the walls....as they started to exploit it first.
Ms. Quietone Report 9/30/2007 3:18:55 PM	omfg you people really have no sense of reality just keep twisting the story all over the forums if you like mastro but DB did not do this and did not deserve this and you can paint the picture in here anyway you like-- use any colors you want to and it's still wrong
Duke Mielo Report 9/30/2007 3:34:34 PM	meh just F*ck em Q ... let them believe whatever they want to ... I hope they can go wack their penors now, as they got what they want. I'm out of here ... You'll find out what you've done wrong some day Zeta ...
Mr. Sun 9/30/2007 3:34:50 PM	@ Mastro Geppus you are telling me this type of wall is inappropriate? it's been used era and era after, but zeta never touched this until now.
Lord Epyon Report 9/30/2007 3:35:07 PM	I do agree that this is pretty unfair for DB... they have the right to be complaining, but I dont think that they should stop playing or quit the game. The thing thats fun about VU for me is that you can never predict what will happen next ;) If I were DB, I'd try and think about a way around all of this or something like that. I dont think you should leave the game over something so stupid as this... Every kingdom has bad eras and you just gotta hold it out til the next one when you get to start anew and have as equal chance as everyone else :) I can understand getting mad about this but I think leaving VU is a bit extreme.... Errr... okay you guys can start flaming me now ><
Mr. Sun 9/30/2007 3:37:39 PM	O, we can hold it out just fine and have been enjoying every bit of the war this era, the tougher it is, the more fun when you accomplish some victorious battles. so we have to thank our opponents for putting up some good fights, no matter if we are outmatched or not. but we clearly will not enjoy a game that the admin wants us to lose on purpose.
Duke Mielo Report 9/30/2007 3:38:54 PM	no Epyon ... We've been struggling and fighting all era long ... If we find a way to save us from this, another thing will happen in our enemies advantage ... I'm really really sick of this ... F' em in the A'
Mr. Rock Hard Reginald Report 9/30/2007 3:39:25 PM	Fra, shut it. Sun Block is not inappropriate. That type of blocker has been around for eras, open your eyes, check all over fantasia and you'll find many of them, I supplied one pic already. They are not innapropriate. It's not a matter of MAD also having 2 blockers to defend. Sun Blocker should NOT have been deleted. Period. It was a legit wall. It was not interfering, and now interference from the admin has *beep*ed the area up. You guys have gained the advantage, regardless of you having to defend another portion too, because A) DB are blocked from accessing the other now-opened blocker (which the admin overlooked to your advantage), and B) you're double teaming them there, so DB has to defend both now when Sun Block was legit on its own, and required only one choke point.
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Okay Asy, so then why are the half-a-dozen other "death to [insert group name here]" threads not deleted?

Obviously that isn't the reason for it's deletion. Keep trying.


(hint hint, the reason is dissent)

Ok well we can rename it,' Fuzzy nice stuff- we all love admins now please fix your mistake'

Would it have worked, hell no.

There's a difference of context there. Admins don't play the game. Death to "xxx" in game refers to attacking someone in a game.

Also there was a lot of insulting messages both to admins and players in game that were getting reported and deleted.

Good job keeping the thread alive, it does have some valid problems brought up that need to be dealt with.

If this one gets deleted, I think the next one should be called "Corruption in VU" :P

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9/30/2007 5:56:06 PM

There's a difference of context there. Admins don't play the game. Death to "xxx" in game refers to attacking someone in a game.

Also there was a lot of insulting messages both to admins and players in game that were getting reported and deleted.

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9/30/2007 6:01:04 PMThe context wasn't to kill the admin's character in game. There was no mention of the admin playing his own game in the thread.
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have a mod change the topic name to "Corruption in VU" then.
end of your argument plz.

Asy your really clutching at straws here.

Try again, although we arent gonna be online all day like you im sure others will come on to destroy your arguements over and over.

Yawn!

Im sorry? We had valid points and arguments in the forum. We cannot tolerate corruption within the game. Could you point out which "way" of which criticism was inappropriate in the previous one that got deleted? Do not argue without valid supporting statements. There is no way players will back down when they see power abuse, which is extremely negative for the growth of a game.

Sure the game is free. He is letting us play the game because he is a multi-millionare who just wanted to make no money, through advertising, donations or wotever, and just wanted to make people happy and give them an enjoyable game.

Thats our Zeta. Look how happy all of us are right now

Try again Asy

Lol it isnt, but i guess nobody is backing him up because his arguements are so poor. Perhaps you can try to prove a point better than him, although i doubt there is much ground to stand on for the admins.

Like we have said before, if death to admins or death to admins(undeleted) offends them then we ask them to change  the name to Corruption in VU.

We would respect if our concerns were listened to. But instead we get our threads deleted without warning or reasoning for this.

We may even get banned  for this which will really show how much our views really matter to him.

I had all the respect for him creating a great game (mind u a buggy one)
but how can an admin earn respect with power misuse?

We did our best and anything we missed out was promptly pointed out by MAD members.

It was a discussion, debating was going on from all sides, except the admins. Instead their participation in the debate was to delete it.

Rock Hard, if you'd admit Sean Elderson was wall abusing by making impassable walls I'd give some sympathy to your cause. I posted a clear picture of the walls, but no one has admitted DB tried building walls to make their core unreachable by Nemesis. Here it is again:

Even if its our fault, I apologize for sean since he isnt here at the moment. He wanted to create a maze to slow you guys down.

Point taken, now back on topic plz. - POWER ABUSE OF ADMIN.

That's a complete blockoff east to west Sun and it's pretty blatent that wasn't a "maze" attempt. Retaliation for what Quietone? Nemesis never built impassable walls on DB. We have one wall, going north to south. We could have built it back further rather than touching Sun Block at the bottom, it'd make no difference. There was only ever one blocker in that area.

So your stance is only walls that are scripted are cheating Aligreat? It doesn't matter if they make an area impassable?

And MAD making Baldurs Gate blocked off from Sun Block through scripting improvements isnt as bad? Nemesis could have reached our core another way, just the same way we had to reach sun block another way. If our walls were removed then MAD's wall should have been, but it wasnt. Ours was.

Asystole you tell us- the walls werent made by us so the only other options are your kd and MAD and neither seem to want to own up to their own abuse but rather you choose to debate topics here that arent of any relevance to side track the conversation.   Our walls should not have been removed period.  Zeon's walls built exactly like ours were not removed nor were any other kd's blockers on the map just ours... YET we were the ones who were on the recieving end of the wall abuse so again as i said before you can try and turn the conversation any way you want but it doesnt change the truth.

Rock Hard, if you'd admit Sean Elderson was wall abusing by making impassable walls I'd give some sympathy to your cause. I posted a clear picture of the walls, but no one has admitted DB tried building walls to make their core unreachable by Nemesis. Here it is again:

Interesting, it went so quiet after we admitted to our wall abuse yet, Nem/MAD have yet to come out and admit theirs. Now lets get back on topic if your not going to and get Zeta to treat us all equally

Did it ever occur to anyone that this could just be a misjudged action by ZETA?
If you forget who build which wall first and who used to alter scripts. You just saw an area that was totally blocked of. This isn't allowed, so there had to a deletion of some walls. Now instead of looking into who did what.He just decided to delete the parts that are clearly blocking the area. Ofcourse this is wrong.. though there isn't any SOLID proof that it was done on purpose. I can see the walls, I can see whats wrong, but I can't see the proof that this was done on purpose to give MAD the advantage.

PS. not a MAD/Nemes or DB/lgc member.

@Gilth

Zeta clearly know our wall was built first. B/c he removed a scripted wall constructed going into our city (so we could not move army out, b/c it would keep saying "moved over wall") mind you he removed it when the enemy started preping our that city already having us trapped in it.

Now if he was confused and make a mistake, instead of apologizing, he actually deleted the topic of interest altogether?

In addition, we could have lgc speak of some stories that have solid proofs that Z_e_t_a indeed favored the enemy by fixing only part of the bugs in the game.