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Leader: Lady Galadriel

Vice: Wolflord Karac

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that was incredibly well written wolflord...wonderful storyline. if i wernt so loyal to my own kingdom, i would want to join urs just by the story alone!

Bumping cos they'd make a great KD for any of those indies out there that want to wear a Snoopy badge.  How much cooler could it get? ;)

We prefer "Dark" to "Evil", Mr InflatablePigsBladder :-)

How about a very fast-sketching elf?

Yes we are the evil side...because we are evil I guess.

I'd be a fast sketcher for you all, however the Lady Galadriel would be getting most of the detail work, sorry fellas. :-P

And let the biggerst orgy of Visual Utopia history begin!!! ;P

*** looks down, sees he's wearing chainmail today and sighs ***

Nah, I'm just here for a professional sketch. Now Galadriel, if you could give me a few poses for me, I'd appreciate it and keep your eyes on me.

But I bring the blessings of almighty Legacy with me, what can be better than that? Oh, and I work for free. ;-)

Honorable Side of Peacekeepers

HUH bull*beep* yous dont have an Honorable bone in your body PK hahaha tryin to fool all these ppl

Mr A, PKS have more honour in their little fingers than you have in your whole body.  It's just that the three of us fit that much into one of our collective fingernails, hence the name ;-)

Sheesh PKS will now make everyone farm.

Oh, Sir P - there's not much point hanging them in Legacy HQ, you may as well leave them with us now so they don't get damaged when we loot you.  Would be a crime to damage fine art don'cha know?

A fairly innoculous observation there, Mr. Slade (you aren't Noddy Holder by any chance are you?), but did you ever take the time to think that, possibly, in fact, FagS are PKS, and not the other way around as you initially suggested?

The Peacekeepers were just too, err, peaceful for us Mr E. 

They fight well on here, but when it comes to a real punch-up in the Tavern they fall over the stools rather than breaking them over peoples heads.  How can a self-respecting troll associate with behaviour like that? :(

Seen and dealing Mr U - check your inbox please. 

I'm afraid he's our American representative and may have been somewhat upset by intel we've been receiving.  Personally, I reckon it's about as reliable as "they have WMD  they can deploy in 45 minutes", but what's good for one Yank.... ;-)

Yeah the scout issue has been taken care of sorry for the post.

May it please the People of Fantasia.  As a viceroy of THSP I must sadly announce that the following message was received by me, today, from the leader of PKS.

Sir Grim Darkhammer [PKS] (11/23/2007 8:07:43 PM)
The voting has ended and the polls are closed. This is notice that on VU day 1016 the NAP between PKS & THSP will be ended per the NAP terms you yourself setup. This does not necessarily mean that we will begin attacking THSP at this time but you will no longer have protection behind our blockers. Regards Grim Darkhammer

In all the time my Queen Galadriel and I served on the Council of PKS, we prided ourselves on the fact that PKS NAPs were never cancelled once agreed.  In fact, this is mentioned with pride in the standard PKS NAP agreement.  For those who have never been blessed by a PKS NAP, those terms can be read on the old PKS site at http://www.pks.ournet.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46

We of THSP understand that it can be hard maintaining neutrality when you have two allies who are at war, and that there is always temptation to "side" with the larger, more powerful, of those allies.  We understand it because of the many times we resisted that temptation ourselves while serving in the name of PKS.

Although we never succumbed to that temptation, we know that we cannot expect others to maintain standards that we set ourselves, so we do not blame the members of PKS for their decision in any way and look forward to playing the rest of the era at peace with them, as neighbours, while doing our best to defend against the vastly superior forces they will be allowing to our towns.

Mr Sun, I didn't choose the name I'm afraid.  In fact, I continued to play in PKS after the incident that caused Karac and G to form it.  My reasons for leaving were different - to do with helping to protect My Lady when she came under attack.

Even when I did leave, I wouldn't have used the term "not honourable".  At that point I would only have suggested a difference in level of honour.  Perhaps "The More Honourable Peacekeepers" would have been more diplomatic?

That would be a matter for Carnage themselves, Mr E.

THSP would certainly not try to influence another KD's alliances, just as we would never allow outside pressures to affect our own :)

Lord G,

We are fully aware of the standards of honour and trust that PKS was built on - for very many eras it was G and I who not only defined them, but enforced them as well when dissenters in the Kingdom wanted to break our KD word. In those days we also had a King who, although he rarely spoke, when he did he laid down the law (not by poll, by Royal Decree), always in the interest of preserving the unblemished reputation for honour above all else.
We were proud of our record for trust, and even mentioned it at item 5 of our NAP terms at http://www.pks.ournet.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46




Sadly, in the few eras since we left, a lot of that clearly changed which is why three of us left.  A NAP was agreed, wholeheartedly, at  http://www.pks.ournet.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=389   by those members of PKS who had known us and remembered what times we had helped hold the KD together through.  Note the comments by the older players.

That NAP has now been cancelled not, judging by Grim's message, because they want to attack, but because another Kingdom wants to attack us in their territory.  In short, theyh have ended a NAP for the first time since the Kingdom was formed because outsiders asked them to.

If that is a "difficult but correct" decicion in the name of PKS reputation then I'm the Lord High Octopus of Moldavia.

Lord G,  thank you for taking the time to visit and read the NAP - I would have thought you'd be familiar with it anyway.

Regarding "actions in this": 

We left PKS and formed a NAP with them.  At that point, there was no questioning our motives, although some disagreed with our decision.  The NAP was agreed by a 10-1 vote in favour, so it's safe to say that the KD as a whole was not angry at us. 

There is no distinction made in the agreement about who napped first.  Frankly that's kiddy's playground stuff and I would have expected better of you.  However, if you wish to talk about "length of relations" - G and I have had relations with PKS (as Viceroys) for over two rl years and Karac, as an ex-vice of BoW has had for over a year.  DB's era-long relations sort of pale in comparison.

Under the NAP terms that you've mentioned, I draw your attention to items (3) and (4):



3) NAP Allies will allow free passage through blockers and wall cities EXCEPT where doing so would allow an attack on another NAPd kingdom. If either KD owns a Blocker to the others area, they WILL NOT grant passage to an enemy of the other Kd.

This applies in all cases and where a conflict arises between passing one NAP ally or protecting another gates WILL NOT be opened.

4) NO building in or near each other's core unless specifically given permission.



In order to avoid asking PKS to break item (3), I freely admit that I built a wall on the opposite side of a river in order to get scouts out of their area.  Galadriel was being attacked by DB in an area she had occupied long before them and, as all my troops and scouts were inside the PKS core I couldn't assist my KD mate otherwise, I built a wall city in an area already dominated by DB armies (in fact, about 4 ticks from one of their armouries) and got what troops I could out before they destroyed it.

Drenthinio then did the same, building across a river into the PKS core.  He immediately started training Nazguls in there, so I messaged Grim asking for permission to destroy it in defence.  he confirmed that it had been built in breach of item 5 - they had NOT built with permission and asked me to wait.

I waited, and waited, and watched the Nazguls growing, and was then told that if I attacked it they would open the gates for DB armies to reach us.

I was then further told that, because I had managed to get a 3 bar army out of a North PKS blocker (while it was open anyway) and because G had got armies out WHILE SHE WAS STILL PKS, they were going to open the blockers for DB anyway.  In other words, DB wanted to attack us inside PKS core, and PKS were going to let them anyway.

Perhaps at that point my diplomacy became a little robust - do you really blame me?

Sorry, Mt Uro.  Don't buy that at all.

You're quite right that, when Grim said that PKS were going to be allowed to enter and train into the PKS core in order to attack us, but we were NOT going to be allowed to do anything to defend until they actually put armies against our towns, we thought you were being dishonourable, and "choosing" their NAP over ours.

The KD name was not my choice, I was still in PKS ()and intending to stay) when it was chosen by Karac.  We all know the *beep*ty attempt at political back-stabbing by PKS that lead to that, but didn't spread it around. 

A lot of other KDs tried to find out from Lady G why she'd left, all they were told was a "difference of opinion".  Knowing how 100% trustworty our past records were in this game, I don't know what conclusions they chose to draw but PKS certainly weren't slagged off.

I have also not discussed those matters with anyone outside those directly involved.

All I had originally asked Grim for was permission to remove an armoury that had clearly been built INSIDE their territory.  PKS had always defended any allies within it's core but that had apparently changed now it was DB attacking

The bare facts are, you used G and my good names to stab an old ally in the back then, when G left in protest and I followed to defend her, you applied different NAP terms to us than you did to another KD that wanted to attack us in your core. 

These are facts, not opinions,  and if you don't see why they were dishonourable then you obviously don't know what honour is.  You'll do well in Neu PKS