That explains so much....they went a whole 10% up and now dropped 4% down again. But it makes sense why the rose so quickly, thier swapping towns! What *beep*s! I thought Mavich was better then that........

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So this...is obviously wrong.
"What is to be done PHI's blatant transgressions? They're creating accounts, building them up with cities in their core, then kicking them out to take over their cities to feed themselves. No need to waste money on growing when you have other accounts to do it for you, eh?"
1. First, not plural.
2. 2nd, not creating account/s. Real player, played, left for some reason (no clue why, I just came back to VU.)
3. Building them up with cities in their core? (ya...13k is built up...)
4. feeding themselves? (Nope, 1 inactive kicked for the era, 1 city 13k...so much for feeding) and as far as I know, that's the only city he had...not sure though.
5. multi accounts? get real :P.

Sorry. I forgot to contradict you point about Gwn being first era.

You should probably check era Hoh, I'm sure he's in there, and I knew him my first year of phi...

Give me a break....Gwn had --------> "ONE" <------- city and had been inactive for over two weeks....we decide to kick him and you call it townswapping and feeding. Come on now lets get real here!!! Plus u call us cheaters for multying?? I think thats a little much. Plus get your facts straight----MAD did not kick their own players to reap the benefits but three of their own decided to leave peacefully, no problem there i see. Also about Carnage spoils, Carnage was nowhere near us when the MAD incident that u think you know about happened. When you know whats actually happening then how bout you come talk to us, but for now.....you just look dumb.

@ Legend:

"Plus u call us cheaters for multying?? I think thats a little much."

Multying is cheating, period.  If you have multiple accounts, you are a cheater and thats the end of it.

"MAD did not kick their own players to reap the benefits but three of their own decided to leave peacefully, no problem there i see."

So, are you telling me that they left "peacefully" and then they took their towns?  That does not sound so peaceful to me.

"Also about Carnage spoils, Carnage was nowhere near us when the MAD incident that u think you know about happened."

The only reason Carnage was not near MAD, except with a few armies of 5K, was because you guys were pleading with us not to attack MAD because you needed them as a buffer between you and LGC.  I have many convos saved on my computer that can prove this, if you wanna see em, just ask.  It's kinda despicable to ask MAD to take the brunt of LGC's force for you guys so that you can sit back and farm.

@ Mr. Ignis Bored And Back

"3. Building them up with cities in their core? (ya...13k is built up...)"

A perfect 13K mining city w/o any mining science or Cavers or any other plusses coming in at 7 gold per mine will net you roughly 75,833.33 gold per tick..  Do this enough times and yeah, it becomes a very big source of income.  No need to spend money on building a city, no need to deal with the low productivity in the beginning of a city, no problems, just come in and get a 75K boost. 

Also, you are not denying that you did this here, you are simply stating that it is not built up, which in a round-about way means you are admitting to having used this to your advantage.

If anyone can logically explain to me how you jumped up 10% on us (Carnage) and then dropped 4% all within like 12 hours, while we are only gaining land and troops, while loosing nothing and you are supposedly at a stalemate, then I MIGHT reconsider my thoughts, but until you can explain this to me, you are town swapping.

wow. mods really are starting to piss me off. deleting a post when its against LGC. always.

and some carnage @sses started to show up again when they arent included in the fight.


always the LGC fish bait. as stupid as always

you guys are so pitiful! get a     LIFE

Hahaha, pure comedy :)

kudos to you legacy

1st) I was saying it was a ridiculous statement when they know we arnen't multying. I never said multying was okay or not cheating i was saying they know we re not multying so why bring it up.

2nd) They did not want to be a part of MAD so they gave up their towns, making it peaceful. This means that MAD did not kick them then take their towns and then they had to kill all their armies.

3rd) Please know what you are talking about, we are warring DB, Legacy, and FF. Having a NAP with one kingdom doesn't seem too crazy for me. I'm pretty sure our intentions are not to farm here, but thanks for the advice. Somehow i don't understand how we were sitting back and letting MAD take on legacy. We have control of all of the blockers leading to our core......

4th)The jump in power....I think it was over a much longer period of time than you are talking about and there could be many factors. First, an increase of 75k income for 1 player will not give 10 percent more power to an entire kingdom at this time in an era, thats just ridiculous. Second, you all are warring a couple kingdoms and probably losing many troops, even though making many land gains. This could be an explanation for a small shift in power.

5th) So your strategy of looking at cheating is guilty until proven innocent??

@Archi why not take LGC/DB/other kingdom head on until the era ends. based on history, you just take LGC from start but not finishing the war. try to change. take on LGC and finish the war!

Pretty funny how the people  that left MAD to go to another world 2 weeks ago, are still creating cities inside their core...

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another one. when MAD/PHI fight a clean war against LGC/DB, it should be repeated again but the LGC done a crosswall then wall jumped...they are the ones that make this war dirty.

beetle hardened respect?!

:o

Mr. Zerocool, what you've typed is one of the most insanely 1d10dic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent reply were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul.

I'm pretty sure sure isn't spelled shure lol

Ladybug, who is our new Diplomat?  I've not heard, or at least not realized.

@ Legend:

"3rd) Please know what you are talking about, we are warring DB, Legacy, and FF. Having a NAP with one kingdom doesn't seem too crazy for me. I'm pretty sure our intentions are not to farm here, but thanks for the advice. Somehow i don't understand how we were sitting back and letting MAD take on legacy. We have control of all the blockers leading to our core...."

1st, I never said that having a NAP with a kingdom was a problem.  I am saying that you are sitting back while MAD is doing your fighting.
2nd, Your farming, which is increasing your power immensely fast would be considered "sitting back" and letting MAD fight LGC.
3rd, My point exactly, You have control of all YOUR blockers and nothing else, you are staying behind the lines farming.

"4th)The jump in power....I think it was over a much longer period of time than you are talking about and there could be many factors. First, an increase of 75k income for 1 player will not give 10 percent more power to an entire kingdom at this time in an era, thats just ridiculous. Second, you all are warring a couple kingdoms and probably losing many troops, even though making many land gains. This could be an explanation for a small shift in power."

1st, I agree with you entirely, a 75K boost at this time in the era will mean nothing, however if you do this many times over, it will easily do so.  I still see that you are not denying it, just making up reasons for why it is ok.
2nd, yes, fighting could be an explanation for a SMALL shift in power, but not a 10% jump.  If you are "Holding you blockers", you wont be gaining anything while we constantly are.  For every troop that dies on the field, we make 2 more, therefore e are constantly growing, there is no way we shrunk by 10% or you jumped by 10% without some alternate means.

@ Lenard

"To Archi, that was hardly a perfect mine...look at the pic. It wouldn't even get 5/7 being a mile from the mountain. 13k buildings takes what 6 hours to make? Ooo big deal. And taking towns is hardly perfect prod, if you've ever taken one you'd know it kills all the peasants."

I never said that one was a perfect mine, I said that any perfect mine would yield that.  I never stated that the one people are fighting over is this kind of town, I was taking the best of all cases and compiling them.  Slaves help fix the Production problem...  You knew that right?

@ Mongi

"@Archi why not take LGC/DB/other kingdom head on until the era ends. based on history, you just take LGC from start but not finishing the war. try to change. take on LGC and finish the war!"

First off, LGC is on the opposite side of the map from us, making it obscenely hard to mount anything that can break their lines.  LGC is a hard fighting Kingdom and we would need to have major armories near them to be able to break through, right now we don't, making this idea a physical impossibility.  Go ahead and kill LGC, lemme know how the whole "finishing the war" thing turns out for you.

Now, go ahead children, pick it apart as always... =D

Has gone blind from such liberal use of the color red....

Ok. First of all. It doesn't matter what color it's in...red doesn't hurt anyone's eyes.

UHmmm.....you might want to re-read Val.....its says battle hardened^^

And theres alot of posts being deleted:(

Where exactly was this proven wrong?  No one has put forth any evidence that it did not happen.  All I see if a screen shot stating very obviously what you say is not happening.  How was this proven wrong again?

Again the only reason Carnage was not all over MAD is because PHI was begging of us not to attack them so that they would not have to face LGC.  As as favor to them we did not attack, therefore we were denied war spoils.  And, after this happened, they erected Blockers keeping us away from MAD so that they would not have to face the big bad LGC machine, and, thus again denying us our war spoils.  Carnage has alot more to do with this than you are giving us credit for.

Architect wrote: "If anyone can logically explain to me how you jumped up 10% on us (Carnage) and then dropped 4% all within like 12 hours, while we are only gaining land and troops, while loosing nothing and you are supposedly at a stalemate, then I MIGHT reconsider my thoughts, but until you can explain this to me, you are town swapping."

The effect probably occurred when Kibayaki Sena woke up that morning and decided to train a handful more troops. A "handful" by his standards is probably like a couple hundred level 3's, lol. You do know who he is, don't you? Indeed, it isn't just him. Quite some few of our top people could pull a stunt like that. They are very good players. There are eras named after some few of them. More than one is up to 2 million/tick ahead of me and I'm not such a bad dwarf myself. I've been learning a lot.

As for your other comments, you do know that gaining land doesn't up your score all that much, don't you? In fact it can lower your score temporarly since your troop costs rise, usually before you've fixed up fully exploiting your conquests. Meanwhile, if you're at war then, even if you aren't losing troops, at the very least you have them on the march, and thus costing money.

Now just to confirm a few things. When Carnage warred MAD at the beginning, MAD fought them off--Carnage had only one guy there, really, and very far from home. All Phi did was build blockers to keep more Carnage forces away from MAD.

This was written to me:

Mr. Wolf Spider [Havoc] (10/26/2007 11:33:43 PM)
If you want another armory, you may take Axes and Saws. I threw all my troops at MAD and lost. =P I didn't expect anything else. On the bright side, my army upkeep dropped +40k after getting ride of all those gaia. =P This offer is for anyone of PHI....except perhaps Zerocool. He was so rude to us earlier. >.< I'll hang onto Atsarga and see if MAD forgets about that city. All it has in it is GTs. XD IF they do end up going after it, go ahead and take it before they do. =P

[end quote]

So as you can see, Wolf Spider was offering me a former MAD city, while admitting that MAD had defeated him. In actual fact, MAD took both those cities back.

As for the other complaints that we were town-swopping, the pictures Legacy posted in the earlier thread showed MAD prepping on Phi towns and Phi prepping on MAD towns in order to burn down those towns. This was done to clear space for the new wall.

That wall is manned by us. In fact, both the major northern walls are manned by us so as to protect MAD from Legacy, Dark Blood and FF.

Finally, one of the people in MAD who lost his mine burned down to make room for the wall wrote me a bit. Here is part of it (part only):

Mr. Fraser [SBL] (10/28/2007 4:00:43 AM)
hey, i got told by Mr. Zerocool The Berserker to raize your city. im just letting you know...
You (10/28/2007 5:33:47 AM)
Very well, I'm moving out now. It's still building troops, unfortunately, but not a lot.
Mr. Fraser [SBL] (10/28/2007 5:36:40 AM)
i can give u maybe a few ticks if you need but i think it needs to be raized so a wall can be build... i think thats whats going to happen? lol im going to be loosing my only mine, so il be on minus gold pretty soon. tell me when i can destroy it... il be there in 1 tick
You (10/28/2007 5:42:08 AM)
No, destroy it as soon as you can! It shouldn't be a problem as I'm moving out all it's trained so far. I just meant you might take some small few casualties from the few troops it might still build. Nothing much I can do as i'll be offline soon. ...oh and just be careful to click on Fort Argonath and not Argonath Militia, lol. j/k ;)
Mr. Fraser [SBL] (10/28/2007 6:05:26 AM)
destroyed... thanks for taking the troops out :)

[end quote]

Anyhow, he was one of those whose chances got pretty much wrecked when their part of the land got razed for the wall. So these guys talked among themselves and decided to form a new kd, as I understand it. They were not kicked by MAD but resigned, and I believe the idea at some point was that they would restart on another world. I don't know how successful they were at that and I suspect they may have bounced back onto Fant because the last hadn't left yet or some such.

Finally, Gwn (Guner) is an old Phi player from long before my time, about 6 eras, he said. He's always played for Phi and his name has always been Gwn. But he'd been getting less active the last while and was kicked for being awol for 2 weeks, no less. That was his starter mine.

That's it folks. Legacy is making a lot of noise 'cause they're outclassed. It's still possible we could lose against all of Legacy, DB and FF, of course. But Legacy themselves don't cut it against these guys I'm with now.

Couple hundred of level 3s? I do hope there is a typo there, as I usually train a couple of hundred of nazzies.

Jeez Stormy, I didn't realise you were such a screamer. Nor did I really want to know.

Uh Architect.

This thread was proven wrong the second Phi explained the inactive part of the story. (AKA the only true part) That was legacy's only evidence, which actually backfired on them because by posting this they proved Phi once again is not townswapping. But there are still an awful lot of people that pop in this thread...just for fun and go...

"Yup. Phi. Those losers. Town swappers. " with no evidence.

Anything else about earlier era I've heard has been talked about before, and again, no evidence at all, just wide speculation on legacy's part.

Ms. Dung Beetle, his point was that a couple "hundred" (he meant hundred thousand, obviously) being trained all of a sudden, can greatly screw with the rankings formula, leading to the change. It's not important if he was bragging or not, seriously, it's not relevant.

Uhmmm....just because you dont see something as important does not mean you can assume that everyone else feels the same way mate....

and i did get his point, as evidenced by my saying that he was referring to the % change.....

Beauty of these forums is I can post my own observations, regardless of how irrelevant some may see them.....

wth is SBL?