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yes id like to know as well because up until about 2 ticks ago i thought of you as a somewhat honorable kingdom but now that we have the federation in our borders you see fit to attack us? how it this honorable? i used to have respect for RoC 

with 4 days left in the era , them asking for a ceasefire pretty much means we will end the era CF'd

i cleary said CF with 36 hour break

36 hour advance notice to the break, I'm sure is what he meant. It's all in the wording.

This Cf was agreed to on the 25 march  ... its now April more then 36 hours

When you have a statement "36 hours notification" that means that you're supposed to let the other Kingdom know that in 36 hours you will break the cease fire. Otherwise you dont put any hour notification cause clearly you guys didnt notify them.

But with era so close to end, cease fire is not really a solution, if they didnt want to give you nap you could have guessed they were preparing for war. The only problem here is that the cf notification was not given.

Okay well here i must say, Burning Legion you should have been more specific about what the 36 hours was referring to.

>When you have a statement "36 hours notification"

36 hour break != 36 hour notification

BL, word your stuff better next time. You were asking for a cf that lasts 36 hours.

See, there is this thing about respect that you all need to learn.  That is, that it is earned, not given freely.  They've done nothing to earn our respect, so they've got none to loose.  Therefore, this should have been expected.

i think that they knew it was obvious but when they saw us move towards feds they decided to make  play on words to launch a surprise ttack on us while our major forces were away

The Art of War (Chinese: 孫子兵法; pinyin: Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ) is a Chinese military treatise that was written by Sun Tzu in the 6th century BC, during the Spring and Autumn period. Composed of 13 chapters, each of which is devoted to one aspect of warfare, it is said to be the definitive work on military strategies and tactics of its time, and still one of the basic texts

have you ever read it? it has suggestions and the basic rules

You (3/25/2010 7:35:38 PM)
Kevdwayne i do not know what you are pondering about the agreement. We will accept as is ... no terms CF with 36 hour break both are kingdoms are about to start losing cities real soon unless this is finalized now.
Duke Kevdwayne (3/26/2010 5:34:18 AM)
Done. That was easy. :)   I'm sorry, but it does not say a 36 hour CF. The word 'break' would not come into a normal CF. You wouldn't say the CF for 36 hours would break. Everyone in the game knows that would mean a 36 tick advance notice of a break in CF. RoC, I am disappointed, you know I love you guys, but this is pathetic. Burninglegion is right, it is obvious, you have no ground to stand upon. And the fact you are fighting it is even worse =(

This should be a model for everyone when making agreements to put everything down on paper very clearly, or else people start twisting words to what they like most. Everyone knows that CF with 36 hour break means you need to notify the enemy that you're breaking the CF, and this argument is getting really pathetic.

The current game (era) will last for 0.8 more day(s) (19h). ... With only 19 more ticks in the game, is it really worth breaking a cease fire? Sure, in war everything is fair, you only loose honor.

its not flaming  your kingdom disgraced itself and it need s to own up to it or it will be scorned, untrustworthy, and disrected for many eras to come

Own up to what ? everyone that has agreed with you has said 'well everyone knows it meant 36 hr notification or its general knowledge that is what was meant ' but it doesn't say on the paper we have to.
As for the Cf with break comment i read it as we cf on set day and after a break of 36 hours from that date we can resume attacks if we want .



 

you didnt even have an army on our map bro

As said by the Hema and Fate players '' CF with 36 hours break  ''

OBVIOUSLY means that if any of both kingdoms want to end the CF and attack/or not the other kd, the king (leader) of the kingdom who wants to end the cf should message the leader of the other kingdom wich with whom they are ending CFs with telling him/her that you want to end the CF and begins the attacks in/on 36 hours.

Burninglegion has the truth and in fact he has every rite of conplain of the un-honorables of RoC.

There will always be players who agree or disagree with this situation , and the line '' CF with 36 hours break  '' can be interpreted differently by players.
But fact of the matter is we at Roc have done all what is in our agreement , whether you or everyone else interpret differently is something that cant be helped or changed.
I have seen this happen every era in some way and im sure it will happen in the future.

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful Report 19:12:08 Apr 1st 10

All that truly mattered was that Kev knew what i ment, and your kingdom knowingly invaded with a CF agreement. RoC i promise it will not go without vengence.

Sir Burninglegion The 'Vengeful'  what an odd coincidence

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 3:30:02 PM)
You have received a bonus turn! 16:18:14 Sorceror V lead by Mr. Pantheon Curse attacked and took over Northern Waterw. Due to their overwhelming power our army retreated to Big Cottage. We lost 51881 Swordsmen, 4780 Hammerthrowers, 0 Axemen, 0 Runemasters and 0 Cavemasters and 138 peasants in the battle. Your broke a 36 hour Cease fire with no Notice...... be sure i will post your kingdoms deceit

So one guy attacks you and that warrants a main topic post?

This kingdom is a mess... except for the handful of roc players that know what a cease fire is and how to talk to another vu player

there leadership is a nothing but a joke.... iv known kev for awhile and had my reasons for disliking him, most of this era my kingdom has been at war with roc and it was a hell of a fight on both ends neither of us giving up citys.

Yes, we have known each other for a while and I have to agree that there are several reasons for disliking you but, I cannot think of a single one to like you.

As for the rest of that correspondence those of you that know me already realize it was a joke, the rest of you need to lighten up a bit.  I cannot say with total accuracy as to what transpired, don't even have los on that world.  There was prepping and counter prepping on both sides and it involved a small number of cities.  So judge as you will, I have seen much worse, been a party to much worse and a victim.... did not bitch then and not bitching now.  And for the comment from the 'era 24 or 25' Fant vet I do not believe you and I have ever had any dealings, maybe we can rectify that in the future Wyzer  :)  Peace, Love and kissmyazziness.

First of all...full disclosure:
1) I think Burninglegion is scum of the earth and I would expect HIM to be the one breaking the CF.

2) I never have even seen RoC on the field of battle.  In the distant past, they were always on a different map than me.  I've nothing against them.

Now...I think this is a pretty clear instance of RoC breaking their agreement.  Sure, burninglegion is a child and cannot communicate in an adequate manner, but everyone knows what he means here. That is, a ceasefire with a 36 hour warning before you break it.  That is how these agreements are always made in VU.  For you to pretend that you didn't know this is insulting.

RoC apparently recognized that burninglegions kd let their guard down, and they figured screwing over a kingdom like anti-feds is no big deal because they are not of much importance in the grand scheme of things.  People will certainly remember the actions of RoC in future endeavors.

That said, I must say I am quite pleased at this turn of events.  Just last round burninglegion was the one violating NAP agreements, disobeying his kingdom leader, and had to be put down.  Now this round, he gets a taste of his own kind of dishonorable play.

First off Kevdwayne, I asked a question, it was not a statement.  I read so many threads over the last few eras either about Kath/Kev that I was not sure if you were that person or not.  I could see how you could construe this as a statement, as this is not the first time you have "danced" on this floor.  So be it.

Second I don't consider myself a vet at all.  I have been blessed to play along side, and learn from many outstanding players in this game.  Also as an FYI, Wyzer is the name I decided to constantly use once I was a more established player, with the exception of an era as "Osmosis" and that was a inside joke for someone who I played against.

Laterz.

lol, here is burninglegions well thought out reply

Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 8:36:11 PM)
jew

Mr. Path Report 20:41:10 Apr 1st 10

lol, here is burninglegions well thought out reply Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 8:36:11 PM) jew

and that about says that huh?

and Wyzer, my apologies.... we usually aren't on the 'traitor' side of the fence and take pride in that so I got defensive... maybe we did break a CF and maybe not (I am still not sure due to the prepping, counter prepping) and it is ONE friggin' city...

Mr. Path Report 20:41:10 Apr 1st 10

lol, here is burninglegions well thought out reply Sir Burninglegion The Vengeful (4/1/2010 8:36:11 PM) jew

we really are A-holes aren't we?   :p