Forums / In game politics / Special terms of a PHI NAP

I have a good idea.  pull a <insert kingdom name here> and declare on them.

1.  We agree to let KoH pass through our blockers to Fanta, except we wont.

The treaty Drakos posted in forum and mass mailed concerned only player Edd, maybe there was a little misunderstanding.

 2. Should KoH manage to get to Fanta by some other route we will have no problem with them building there. except we will.

You have builded one of your towns direct next to tows from my kingdom, why so close, wasn't the one in fantasia enough ? As said, we didn't declared war to you because of that, we even didn't sent any msgs to you nor your kingdom about another overbended NAP term from your side. We even didn't give a sh!t on it, because all our interests were to fight our enemies on fantsia and later Rebirth.

3. Phi is allowed scouts only in valhalla, except they will attack and take over our nap partners cities in valhalla and then remain in valhalla.

This was the result because your kingdom let crazy move through your terrain to attack us in starta.

We never have planned to move into Valhalla but those who wanted a 1 building town for market issues. We never cared for valhalla, because our goals have always been in fantasia. So we were never a thread for any valhalla kingdom till the time they attacked us first.

And then the attack from crazy came after our NAP was signed. Your kingdom even refused to sent us a warning about incoming armies from crazy, though I am pretty sure you knew what they have planned or at least you have seen their big armies moving south.

So do you wonder why we do not trust you and give free passage to your troops ????

Don't trust my about crazy plans? read here:

quote from Pscho:
actually CRAZY had no targets left on valhalla so we thought Phi would be a good target.  Didn't expect No pulse to ignor their agreement over some blocker foolishness.  LIVE AND LEARN.

So this was allready first part you broke the NAP, with handing over blockers and towns to crazy giving them access to my kingdom in starta.

I even asked people in forum if your two kingdoms are in war and why the blockers have been changed. Later the lame explaination came, the hand over was agreed log ago the treaty between our kingdoms...
(.. so at thetime when hearts attacked us first time in Valhalla and Phi was fighting back ???)
Though this was allready a broke of the NAP agreement, Phi decided to solve this "Crazy" issue on his own and sent troops to fight Kitty in starta and Valhalla. During this fight some towns in valhala got captured.

Thats why we had towns in valhalla again. Crazy planned to attack us, but while attacking us in the back, they got hit themselfs by suprised and suddenly asked for peace. Kitty got the blame for the hole issue and everything was fine.... but then again you from hearts showed up causing more trouble and more trouble and more trouble, not understanding that we are not interested in your towns in valhalla, nor fighting you. We wanted to fight Fate for Fantasia, a worthy opponent, not a kingdom half of our side with lots of fresh bigmouthed  players that's why we offered peace to you.

4. we will give KoH a city "here comes phi" of a couple hundred buildings when we retreat from valhalla but then tell everyone we gave KoH all our valhalla cities.

Yep you were right, you did not get much from us back. But Phi gave up also the all the towns in Valhalla built by themself, so till crazy attacked us, we totally retreated from valhalla. Main reason why we got hit by crazy player Kitty so unprepared, suddenly a 500k army stood in fron of our emptied blockers in starta !!!

5. should phi breach any of these conditions we reserve the right to run to the forum talking about how dishonourable KoH is and how little respect we have for them etc.

Every1 is free to have his own oppiniion even you.

But if some1 really wants to know how Phi is really treatening his NAP partners then pls ask known kingdoms with reputation here arround and not that kind of bigmouthed kindergarten kingdoms who are changing their minds weekly.

"I would have taken half of starta before you could do anything, instead I had no Mus and you managed to freeze me."

LOL , you were whining about Crazy, what was funny was how easily I was taking cities, however Nopulse killed the army that was bringing my Mus so I was able to eb frozen by roariing silence. anyway you guys were whining about nap breaking which i found funny given that your broke a nap 2 hours after agreeing to it. then made excuses.

lol i think the funniest thing i have EVER heard in 3 years of gaming was i swapped a blocker to allow Ryan through.

Ryan hates my guts, the feeling is mutual and last era you would of seen crazy and KoA(my former alliance) in a slanging match in the forum which resulted in a whole bunch of locked topics. before that i had been in hellbunnies who also have no love of crazy, however my kingdom mates DO have relations with them.

ryan even threatened to destroy my army once this era so that little theory goes out the window.

i gave ONE city to a guy who had been tagged demon of razgiz and was down to his last 2-3 cities and hurting bad... the blocker served no purpose for me at all( and was given to him before any nap with phi was signed anyhow) so i gave it away rather than have any expectation to maintain it.

i do try to keep fairly informed but frankly i had no idea, and still only some, on who phi's allies and enemies are etc.  the first i even knew of any issue tween phi and crazy was when phi commented on that blocker and then shortly afterwards attacked those cities. i have no scouts excet in fanta so i had no idea about any attack from crazy(and assumed phi was the agressor only from what i saw) and the pieces of the puzzle have only just dropped(crazy-duke kitty- attacked a non aligned kingdom in starta)and thus phi's response i witnessed and just now realised why it occurred.

as for my cities in fanta...well i thought we were friends and despite the 12 mill gold or so cost to build a city (which i havent touched since) i would of destroyed it had it been an issue ...ironically i thought i could of acted as a later blocker for that friendly if needed but oh well.

we have had our fill of war we dont need more cities or more battles won, we have had a splendid era. what we needed was access to fanta and PHI admitted they wont let anyone other than Edd through. i am not a leader or diplomat but he did message a lot of people and we did try to get it resolved....we had no enemies in fanta or starta so it could be no nap breach to let us through and it would of helped forge , what we had considered, further positive relations.

i somehow doubt that....... and they actually get great protection. They get the protection of an MU and then the magic science tied in it's why they are so powerful. So I doubt that your entire army is all Archmages...... Especially since I was on the front lines against FATE most of the era and never had my army frozen from the other side of the map and I only had 85k AM's until Beast killed my army. Btw good kill never got to say that.

As far as the Title of this thread, it was in the messages between Edd and Karac as they hashed out the agreement that ONLY Edd would have passage to Fantasia as he wanted the score "he deserved". As Edd was an ex-wolf and Karac and I trust him, we said HE could move to Fant. The rest of your Kd did not to have the same privilege.
 I can tell you EXACTLY the day and time we did it as I was at Karac's house when it was done, I logged on just to post the NAP and say it was official once Edd and Karac came to an agreement....Karac and Edd did the hashing out of details. I was sitting in the same living room as Karac talked to Edd, I personally saw EVERY message, and logged on to post the NAP when they were done. So do not bother saying Karac lying about the details.
 If anyone says different, there is your liar.

LOL Struddle. <3 you too

this is from our forum from Edd when the nap was published there:

I negotiated a path from phi that will give us free passage through their world to fant so use it and go there to get a good score.

They seem to have problems with english.

Our nap specificaly said NO CITIES ARE TO BE RETURNED. yet afterwarsd they claimed that they meant something different. the problem being that we accepted the nap as it was written and so did they.

Yup, but oddly enough they will argue their position even when it is obviously wrong. You are evil because you attacked them when all they want to do is farm, I am obviously the bad guy because I kept my word and followed the nap terms as they were written and they took my city anyway LOL.

you will no longer respond because you were wrong, here Ill post it in your words for you.....

So, you jackballs broke the nap by attacking, therefore, Phi= unhonorable.

*Yawn* next please.

oh btw, Duke Kitty really had 100k AMs there and some mus, but magic level 8 is really week for an elf, even some of our trolls have that magic level ^^, so no wonder we were able to freeze him several times, we learnt from former eras and kept one operating mage base in starta for cases like a sneak attack from a kingdom from Valhalla or Nirvana.... and we were right, btw the same mage base will keep Suprise frozen till his army get slaughtered, so you can say good bye to your army scores and be happy that era will end before we have gathered some more of our troops from fantasia to invade Valhalla.

Because compared to you guys, we prefere to fight and do not run into fantasia the last few days to get a better ranking. In my oppinion are the hoh places for RVL and Fate players who really fought almost all time in fantasia, with 100%. One of them should win the era, because those two kingdom put in most efforts from all into it and played well also....


Anyway @Frodo you think you did nothing wrong by handing over the block to crazy, because you made the promise before our NAP was sealed. But Crazy took over the block after the NAP was sealed, the same kingdom who planned a scneak attack on my kingdom on starta what they allready begun and only stopped because they got  attacked somewhere else.
If No Pulse would not have attacked them, Crazy would have come with a lot more then only one 500k elven scout army, through the block what was giving away from you after the NAP was sealed between our two kingdoms, or through the passage Kitty used.


 Both were terrain from your kingdom, and normally naped kingdom will not allow other naped kingdom to move through their terrain when they know the other naped kingd will get attacked by the other naped kingdom. Because this will lead only to one thing, all naps are no more usefull, if they can't garuntee a safe boarder. Phi garunteed this safe boarder to Koh, none of KoH eneimies passed the north of Starta and attacked them while we were Naped. But KoH didn't care to safe the boarder for Phi as well.

So tell me EDD and Frodo, did you or did you not let crazy armies move through your terrain to attack my kingdom ???
Even after we were NAPed, you even didn't sent any warnings, nothing. You also did nothing to stop them, you did not asked crazy to take another route.

Nothing

you just didn't cared about the safe boarder between our kingdoms.

This is called unhonorable in this game, this is a habit from kingdoms you will never trust again.

Insteat you asked that we remove from Valhalla, what we did and lost all LOS and did not knew what was going on there, thinking, with naping kingdom of heart who is controlling the south of Valhalla makes the northern boarder of Starta finally safe.....

How wrong we were, trusting your kingdom.

Crazy was able to plan and fullfill a massive assault against us from your terrain without our knowledge.

Only the fact that No pulse attacked Crazy and forced them to cancel their war attentions toward my kingdom lead to the point that handing over that block was no big deal, and crazy removed from their war efforts toward us before more then one of their armies arrived.


So tell me who here is unhonorable.

Whom you can't trust, when having a peacetreaty.
Whom NAP treaty is worthless when you accept one ?


Yes it mght be true, that the one blocker Kitty mentioned was returned after he accepted the terms. And it might be his right to feel cheated here, thought the kingdom message about the NAP with Crazy arrived leadership 3 turns later
after the town got liberated.

So this is something what can move wrong when not making agreements via chat and asnweres are not mass mailed instantly.
Kitty is right that this little misunderstanding happened here and Kitty was the fooled one here and Phi took profit from it.
 
But looking ahead what would have happened when Kitty would have kept the blocker in starta ???

Kitty would not have been able to keep the blocker. Because how should he be able to keep the blocker when the kingdoms agreed that he removes his army, so no troops are allowed inside ??

How should he protect the blocker against RVL, the kingdom he attacked also without army and troops ?

The blocker would have been gone into RVL hands.

What would have happened with RVL having this blocker and acces to Valhalla.
Suddenly all kingdoms in Valhalla who have a NAP and peace treaty with Phi and none with RVl would have fealed betrayed that suddenly RVL has access to Valhalla from a point every1 thought it is safed by Phi and they would have been right. We garunteed a safed boarder there.

So the easist way was to return the blocker asap before any1 from RVl will sent troops and the hole NAP with Crazy and KoH would become worthless again when RVL would have moved to a counter attack on Valhalla (would have, conjutive^^)....

Well afterwards it would have been better that way for Phi, because the treaties with those two kingdoms are worthless anyway and we would have been ready for the assault what came now....

Phi tries to play honorfull and sometimes we fail like every kingdom else because of misunderstandings in communication between players. But in our  plans and the following actions we always keep to our words and know what it means to have a NAP and how to make sure it benefits both kingdoms included.

And this is something both kingdoms, Crazy and especially KoH still have to learn and why theyare yelled unhonorable.

I think the problem kitty has is that by losin the blocker he lost the troops that were training.  anywayhearts didn't open anything for us we moved down south of them and had a path so they didn't betray PHI.  It was a little evil for us to attack but we had no relations so it wasn't a stab in the back.  a stab in the back is when a kingdom has a NAP and attacks.

anyway it sounds like hearts misunderstood the PHI agreement.  I can see that your kindom would be angry at kitty's attack but after agreeing to a NAP and attacking him was lame.  the messages are instantaneous.

lol lvl8 magic AMs. cool story bro ;)

 Duke Bad Kitty



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16:32:09 Oct 3rd 09 would 75k archmages at lvl 7 magic and lvl 6 mil beat that?

maybe thats why you can freeze his army strud :)

well Criss either it was a massive attack or an elven scout army its one or the other. this is my first era as an elf im learning lol, always played orc before.

my other problem Criss was that I sent the terms of the nap THAT WE WERE GIVEN a full two ticks before he retook healu, he ignored them even though it was obviously from your leader. if your leader was busy messaging me and not his kingdom thats more than a little lame anyway.

Bottom line is that it no longer matters but you pissing and moaning about nap breaches is now amusing.

Anyone noticed that only Kitty is posting from Crazy?

Ms. Nurse Plagalicious (10/17/2009 12:56:32 AM)
I just want a clear and open line of communication between our two kingdoms. I did not ask for compensation. Any communication between Bad Kitty and your kingdom is not official. Anything pertaining to Bad Kitty needs to go through me and not Bad Kitty. Ask your players not to respond to any messages that Bad Kitty might send. Instead, send those messages to me.

So Phi players, please ignore Kitty since he really has no credibility to begin with but I have to say, sucks not having the support from one's own KD says a lot about the person's character.

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did anybody said something important ?

Oh Kitty posted, well I guese in this case I can continue

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