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I'm serious confused so if some one can explain what bad i did will grateful. For avoid "flame" will skip most names.

I have war with Bane (very good and fun fight). Member from Another KD in this time use we are busy and take one from our cities. For his bad luck short after it we did CF/NAP with Bane. He already send 50k army close to our core. I asked him few times are he have hostile plans because i have few friendly talks with one from his KD leaders. He ignore my msg but when come enough close to get attack he send me msg "i don't have any hostile plans just want to move from there up". I tell him "ok NP" but short after it he build colony right on our Core exit path. I tell him "i don't like it". He say will go sleep and move tomorrow. Next day when he come online i notice he send few spy's for camp my cities and his main army start preparing attack one from them. When asked him why he attack his reply was "sorry its order". For my luck leader from his kd was on line and we did deal for friendly relation and not attack so he cancel his attack. Few tic later i asked him for raze this city because i want to set there block. For compensation (gold to set it)he can keep city what get already from us or i can build for him colony in other place and he will get it. My request pissed him because "i'm give him orders" and he attack immediate one from our cities and later get second. He raze all buildings in both cities. We counter attacked and kill his army. I don't think any KD will agree another KD to set block to his core exit and cant understand how my request can be reason for his attack...but story continue. Never mind he tell "i' can kill you alone, have income for 1k zerc per h" he asked another KD for help. WE have NAP but they move his army for attack us only because "friend" asked for help. Well 1st KD are from 19 members and TOP 3 in fanta second KD is from 11 atm....and they will call more help for kill kd from 2 members :D

Can some one to explain what so "bad" we did....for get all this (include nap breack). Do it asap we don't have much time :)

Its not about Bane. They not did any wrong vs us. I'm talk for another KD.

Well in top 3 fantasia only 1 KD have 19 members :)
I wont say more :P

Not on fantasia? Yeah, we are. Check again.

Here's what happened pengy, and tell me whos wrong.... Its me he has issues with so ya know.

I moved over to attack, he asked for peace, I said basically 'whatever', Drakos told me not to attack, so, I start walking away.

Then after trying hard, I won't say begging cause its not nice, to get me to not attack, Elit waits for my army to start heading west out of their core, and all of THEIR armies to get closer, then starts demanding my army leaves the area, and the city I built in Bane's area, which then turned to seasons area, was to be razed. I said no, my city had right to be there, so he said that either I burned all the buildings, or he would just take the city, regardless. SO, my army turned around, I will not be taunted like that by a man who grew balls only AFTER my army was leaving the area. My city was not a problem until my army left the area.

So, after a few times of him telling me to burn my own city, or he would take it, I attacked. We had NO formal relations, NONE WHATSOEVER, and HE was the one making threatening motions, so yeah, I got on the offensive. The city did not matter to me, but the fact he was trying to order me around pissed me off. He said he 'couldn't' order me, but would take my city if I didn't listen. So, I was wrong for attacking when he threatened me?

*Granted I did take a city from them before the 'peace' was arranged. He then offered to 'let' me keep that city I took before 'arrangements' were made, in exchange for the city I had built. Doesn't quite compute in my mind, but hey, thats just me.

Pingvinai Daug isn't Pengy btw...well, he's A Pengy if u translate it :P  But, not THE Pengy :D

I could have easily killed you before we let you into our core.  I already let you take one of my cities earlier with no retaliation. We asked you to raze a town that was just started where we needed to build a blocker.  You attacked us and razed one of my cities and plundered another and then i killed your army. 

Well if we talk for balls where was your to tell clear "i'm looking for fight" when i ask you long before your army come to us area? Because all your explain is pure lie i will post ingame logs they are clear enough:

Wolf Cave
You (10/4/2009 2:53:27 PM)
Just want to inform you all Bane Cities are in our area and we will back them very soon. If you want to set here Block its on your area and we will take it.
Wolflord Karac (10/4/2009 2:55:51 PM)
It will not block, I will build no gates, just a pit stop on the way across the map.
You (10/4/2009 2:58:41 PM)
I'm looking for friendly relations and NAP but this not reply any msg make me crazy. You understand how I'm feel when see big army close to our cities and none reply...and i cant attack KD what i want to be my friends.
Wolflord Karac (10/4/2009 3:00:43 PM)
Sorry, was offline sleeping, got hit with a case of pneumonia, been in bed more than not the past few days.

No hostile intentions from me towards your kingdom at the moment. Unfortunately I cannot agree to any alliance offers, please forward this request to Duke Drakos, he is our relations vice.

-The Wolflord-
You (10/4/2009 3:04:49 PM)
Y i send him msg but look like he is not online atm. Thanks for clear situation for now. Bane attacked us and Rebirth very well and catch a bit unprepared...but now look like they slow go down.
Wolflord Karac (10/4/2009 3:11:16 PM)
Yeah, if I had any plans to attack I would have brought my full 80k zerkers over from Starta, not just 10k lol.

Im just trying to get over to FATE to hit them from their backside.
You (10/4/2009 3:15:15 PM)
follow path Cleasing/Chicago/pagare/island and go up to Guardinpass i will open gates for you.
Wolflord Karac (10/4/2009 3:16:49 PM)
I will tomorrow. Ill be in my city all day. GOnna go offline and sleep some more. Mixture between the drugs, the pneumonia, and a two year old, I just feel uber tired lol.
You (10/4/2009 3:17:31 PM)
lol nite ;)
You (10/5/2009 4:11:46 PM)
Gates are open you can move up.
You (10/5/2009 6:13:00 PM)
Hi, why your army camp to my cites? Sorry for question but hope you don't plan to break your word.

Wolflord Karac (10/5/2009 6:13:32 PM)
I apologize for this, Drakos ordered me to attack =(

Im sorry.
You (10/5/2009 6:16:30 PM)
Can you wait and give me time to talk him?
Wolflord Karac (10/5/2009 6:17:22 PM)
I will not attack until I have confirmation or denial from him. I need time to make some tea and take a nap anyways lol.
Wolflord Karac (10/5/2009 6:18:15 PM)
I apologize, it was not drakos, it was Sazunas, I will wait until you talk to Drakos.
Wolflord Karac (10/5/2009 6:20:24 PM)
Damnit, wrong message again, I have like 800 of them already. It was ignis who ordered the attack lol. Finally got it right now lol. But as I said, I will wait til you talk to drakos.
You (10/5/2009 6:24:18 PM)
Drakos will msg you. Look like its mistake. So don't attack.

Duke Drakos (10/5/2009 6:20:42 PM)
Unfortunately Our Kd is not entering into anymore alliances. I will try to get him to back off. If he keeps attacking and and this escalates we end up fighting I apologise. I did promise you peace between Me and yours, and I have upheld it. If this turns into a your Kd against my mate thing or I get hit I will have to help him eventually.
-Drakos

Wolflord Karac (10/5/2009 6:23:39 PM)
Drakos has told me he has reached an agreement with you. I will continue west. Sorry for the misunderstanding =)

How start problem again:

You (10/6/2009 1:00:24 AM)
btw stop build wolf cave. move your army and raze it. I dont want city from your kd in my kd.
Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 1:17:17 AM)
i will not raze my city. it is not your area, it was banes. if you take the cities, my city still has all right to be there. if you dont agree to this, i will be happy to turn my army around.
Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 1:21:31 AM)
I do not respond well to orders from a different kingdom. You are not my leader, nor vice.
You (10/6/2009 1:25:02 AM)
I can build for you city and you can take it in other place if you want..to be fair but Wolf Cave is located on place where i planed to set block so i doin't want it.
You (10/6/2009 1:28:18 AM)
Its not order...i cant give you order. BTw you take Storlock and we have right to back it...so just keep it and raze Wolf Cave...its fair trade.
Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 1:27:06 AM)
That is fine. I will hold on to Wolf Cave until that city is built.
Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 1:30:32 AM)
I took storlock as an act o*beep*gression, worked out peace with seijim, that is not part of this deal.
You (10/6/2009 1:35:52 AM)
well i tired to s love it peaceful but informed your KD leader we will back this city. We just end war with bane so its not problem for us. Just keep it and raze Wolf or if you dont want to waste money for raze we can take and raze it. I want to set here block if Bane get attack and loss...want to be prepared this time. Hope you can understand me.

Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 2:12:51 AM)
See, what you dont understand is these zerkers are nothing to me lol. An exploratory force. I still have 86,000 berzerkers on starta, with an income large enough to train another 1000 every tick, so, Im willing to fight till they are all gone, and feel no remorse, as I burn every building of every town I capture, can you say the same? Losing one 6400 building town will actually help me more than hinder me, will raise my income after loss of building upkeep.

I tried to keep this friendly, You decided to keep ordering me, threatening me, and ordering me some more. You can contact Drakos all you want, he will not stop me. I will only stop, if you agree to allow me to keep my town. Cause see, even tho it is a meaningless town, I refuse to be pushed around.
You (10/6/2009 2:17:41 AM)
Well difference is i'm talk to you and explain you just act and attack. How i can trust you? Look what you saying: you wont follow your leaders orders. How your attack help for solve it? Stop act like 12 years old child and break deals.
Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 2:20:49 AM)
Deals, there is no formal agreement between our kingdoms. I'm not saying I will not follow orders, I'm saying the orders will not be there. He will support me fully in this.

How can you trust me? I started walking away west, and then you start demanding I raze my town, or you will take it? Thats diplomacy where you come from? There is still room for you to place a blocker on the opposite side of my town, yet you demand that it be razed? That, unfortunately, is not up to you. It was not a concern until my army was out of range. Now I ask, how am I to trust you? Unless my army is in your area? Its the only time you speak civily.

-The Wolflord-
You (10/6/2009 2:36:50 AM)
i send msg to Mavich. Hope he can fix it. If you keep attack we will make same.


Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 5:22:45 AM)
Its already worth it =)

I've taken enough slaves already to pay for my meager amount of troops over here plus another 2k zerkers =) Yay.
You (10/6/2009 5:27:37 AM)
What about your honor? Do you think i wont share with other kds you are deal breaker. What you did was extremely low and proved i was right to not want your city in my core exit. Simple you are not trusted person.
Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 5:29:26 AM)
deal breaker? i never agreed to anything. my honor is in tact. im already well known and established, i never agreed to *beep*, so come back and try again. you were the one beggin me to stop, then as soon as my army left got all high and mighty, wheres ur honor?
You (10/6/2009 5:35:52 AM)
We have deal for not attack each other. You broke it! My request for move your city was result from your flame why we are retake our cities from rebirth...(its not your job) when they get it temporal from bane...because we was busy to fight vs well defend cities not with zero army.
For all war with Bane none from both sides raze cities and its was very blood war. Only bad lesser like you can act so low. All what you know is to lie other for not hostile plans and bash new people.
Wolflord Karac (10/6/2009 10:33:22 PM)
Lie for non hostile plans? I said I wouldnt attack, then you said you'd take the city regardless? Im the one who instigated? Do not worry, you will now have the combined wrath of kingdoms RoC, and Bane, also Myself, Drakos, and Arthur Dent. You should practice your diplomacy if you think you are correct in this, no one else shares your views.

Enjoyed your cities while you can.....

-The Wolflord-
You (10/6/2009 10:38:59 PM)
Give me simple answer. Are your kd will accept other KD to build block on your core exit. I asked you for solution because i don't want city right here...you use it for excuse to tell i'm give you orders and attacked us. Are i did attack 1st? All what i did is to talk you for solution!

Ye i know its a lot logs but give full picture for all story.

we have 2 players, you have 19.  I'd be ashamed if you weren't 900% our size.  And when did I brag about my archmages? I started the game late into age and my first time playing.

btw Wolflord Karac, its 1st era for both us and Seijim started ~2week later. He is not proud from any...we just play and try to learn game...but newbie hunters hunt us :P
Because you attacked us and Drakos not bother to explain what wrong we did , i'm ask other people to explain so we can learn and not make same mistake again :)
Can you tell me why NAPed kd to us need to broke his NAP for all what we did and come to revenge for you? Yes i'm n00b and cant get it!

My 1st post explain pretty correct all story and not names/flames. I was clear from begin to "X" we are in war with Bane. He vulture one from cities and decide to set block on our core exit. If Phi accept another KD to set block on Phi core i will give him to make same to us. If they wont accept all other is "trash talk". His 1st msg was he just want to move from there NOT to set Colony! For me "X" act is extremely low. He give fake info for not hostile plans to go in our core...we get nonagresion relation with Drakos who dont have around army but not with "X" who have army. Dirty dirty diplo for trap new people and get easy land.

Agreed. You expect to sit on Fantasia and be left alone? It's not going to happen

Im not going to red that entire conversation (so what im saying might very well be worthless as a result), but why on earth would you need a city in their core as a "pit stop".  I mean, its not like your armies need to stop by and pick up supplies or anything?  Its pretty much asking for trouble?

I especially liked the part where you assure him that you are just passing through, he opens a gate for you, then you started attacking him without a word until he asks you why.  If you tell someone you are just passing through, and you are given orders to attack them later.....maybe you should let them know?  Possibly even given them a bit of warning if you are a nice guy.  Because it looks like "Oh heeeey, dont mind me, im just going over to the other side of the map....wouldn't hurt a fly...."*whistle whistle*  then you start prepping.

Its obvious there is some language barrier here as well...thats probably the biggest source of confusion.  So....considering how Elit has butchered the English language, I can see why he could misread some things being said here.  Regardless, I found the threats and taunts made against Elit to be ridiculous.  Telling nubs that you are going to get all these people to attack him, lol.  Whats the point? Just kill him?  Considering he can only understand 25% of what you are saying, why waste time taunting him?

bling you have no room to talk i know you nub bashed at least as many times as every one else in vu so just shut up man

I also taught more than I bashed, including you JD...wheres the love mam!

Well from what i know Elit is an honorable player (even for his 1st era). When I was on the same world as him come oop he was very well prepared when me and my member weren't and when I respectfully talked to him about the matter he respectfully replied, so idk exactly what happened between him and Karac NO ONE WILL but from what I know Elit is a respectable player :)

-Karn- A.K.A -Bartimaeus-

Thanks for support Bartimaeus. So far Honor is all for me.

Path: You are right my English is bad but you get clear enough picture from all logs. Writing is a lot harder from Reading. You can be sure I'm understand 99% from all. Thanks for your opinion its what i think too. Krac is try to fool me from begin and looked for reason to attack and get easy cities. Drakos is supposed to be Diplomat but he don't Ever bother to ask me what happen and direct send me msg :"no place for talk more" after we retaliate to aggression. I don't care about all this. Some KDs have his fun from war another KDs same level, some KDs find his fun from attack small KDs in war and get free gains. For sure second way is more effective and less risk but you cant gain respect from it.

What bother me from all this story is RoC action and special Duke Kev. We started era separated place and did friendly relation and NAP. We trade msn with him and chat several times. In his war with Rebirth he asked me for help them...but i was busy with war vs KD Genocide. After loss war they moved his core and rebuild to my new cities. Same time on this place was alone prov Logan Adrus (he joined later in RoC) and he have hard fight vs Hamish. For me with big army around was pretty easy to go and get all cities from old RoC and vulture Logan...but its lame! Now same people attacked me when we have NAP only because Karac asked them. Duke Kev say we don't made official NAP. We did but ever if we don't have any NAP are he is right to Vulture us now when i didn't attack them after his loosed war. In this game every think himself for honorable but not much people understand what is it in real.

Lol, first you call Karac dishonourable and now you call ROC the same?
Now I know who the problem is :)

Unless Drakos and Karac are different players from the ones I knew 20 eras ago I'm not even going to read the whole thread.  Whatever Karac said happened is exactly what happened.

BTW, my Kd is at war with PHI so I have nothing whatsoever to gain by supporting them in the forums, I just hate spin against honourable players.

LOL!
Elit is a great guy... he is honorable.. iv played a few games wit him and everyone one of them iv found he has never been dishonorable or hasn't lied... so lay off him

That's not what I said.

I read your initial post and I read Karac's reply.

Everything else is just flame and spin.

I trust Karac 100%.  I don't know you so why should I trust you?  After all, it is clear that your actions are typical of the would-be battlefield hardman who fights what he perceives to be the weak and runs from who he perceives to be strong so at the very least I don't think we are ever likely to be friends.

Karac told the truth.  I, and others have supported him and are now telling you a few truths of our own.  If the truth offends you then you should consider how your future actions may prevent you from hearing such offensive truths.

Plenty of new people to VU every era manage to fit in just fine.  But then most people don't come onto the forums and present a completely one-sided view of the actions of veterans like Karac.  And when their error is pointed out to them they don't continue to present themselves as a forum fail!

Good Lord, please make the noise stop.  It goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

Thank you Highwayman, its great to see you again ;)

I've been meaning to write to you, but have been super busy, must find the time =)

And I'll agree, maybe the english barrier was the problem here, maybe I misread statements as threats through bad english, in which case, I cannot call him ignorant, for it would be my ignornace, so I will take the blame for that, if that is the case.

Drakos is like...his dad or something.  The family rallies behind itself :p

LoL i just found Drakos is realy father (no joke!) on Karac...so i wont blame him... Hope Karac wont call his mom too :D (joke)
Peace ;)

dude my last 2 cities held out for 3 days against rebirth i kicked back three of there armies at 70% ask peacemaker i smashed 2 of his armies and i killed one of there other players armies 2 before they finally killed me i killed around 30k of there troops with a mere 17k troops they beat me because they took my production city or else i would have held out longer against them