multi-million-member-kingdoms

multi-million-member-kingdoms

00:41:56 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Naerey:

WHY DO YOU EXIST?!

Seriously, it's rather annoying to have some 30 member kingdoms...
Preds Predators 32 Mr. Howells 1093
POFF Paladins of the Order of the Frozen Flame 23 Mr. Scythruler 568
Havoc Carnage 26 Sir Vencrow 1146
RED Red Hand 23 Admiral Krum 961
LW Luna Wolves 38 Mr. Fox Voncloud 859
JEST Jester 26 Lady Mifune 112
ZEON ZEON 42 Mr. Messiah 278
Music Music 23 Mr. Hemmer 403
THC Division of Marijuana 24 Mr. Deew Evol I 78

I mean, com'on! What's the fun?
most of you can't even coordinate your troops. most kingdoms NAP you because they fear your numbers...

(flame them down I say!! :P )

00:48:46 Jun 20th 07 - Demonic Shezmu:

attack them...kill them...make them join you Naerey :P

00:55:24 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Messiah:

Humm... Its actually just us and LW that has got more than 30 members, what are those others there for? And we arent keeping all those for next era if that is what you think.. Some are people that died while in other kds on fant and are returning to them next era(couple of Abydos ppl for example) and some are new ppl we took in to see if they are able to learn etc. We're planning to be about 25 next era depending on the material. That seems to be the accepted maximum nowadays. 20-25 ppl is what most top Fant kds line up..

00:57:56 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Supercalifragilistic:

Nobody cares how large kingdoms are. Top kingdom size is regulated by the ability to organize and for most 25 players is as high while keeping max efficiency. If they can organize 30+ members more power to them.

00:58:37 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Messiah:

Ohh, and ofc its alot to organize, that what you have Vices for! My Vices are doing one hell of a job keeping tabs on like everything, its wonderful! My goal is to retire and just sit on my throne while Scott, Mcikan and Kong handle the evergrowing empire. Then again, we would have to become an empire first and I guess I'll have to pitch in on that task to justify the throne-sitting stuff(apart from the fact that I am Zeta's only son and therefor a demigod).

01:05:18 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Roxbury:

Ohh vices that actually work for a living! I want some of those, I have to do all the work myself around here :S

01:06:56 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Supercalifragilistic:

poor poor Roxberry, martyr is the only word that describes him. Only I know how many times I ass raped him. =))

01:10:28 Jun 20th 07 - Admiral Krum:

Seriously, it's rather annoying to have some 30 member kingdoms...

23 < 30

But I agree, it is difficult to control a large KD.

01:32:29 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Soccerjester:

for jester, it is recruiting purposes. we will not bring all of them to fant either.

while in a lesser world, we might as well see if there are any good prospects to grab!

01:37:31 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Stormvenz:

For some kingdoms, those totals do not reflect how many will be there for next era. In some cases, there are current members who will be leaving vu for a bit due to rl issues or they have decided to go somewhere else, etc...

01:52:56 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Soccerjester:

i love how we all have to go defend ourselves. humorous. anyway, it wont be that high next era.

01:53:09 Jun 20th 07 - Sir Razios:

Naeray's first era, and he wants to start a flame wars with the MASTERS OF FLAME!!! I don't think this is going to end up good on his resume.

01:59:37 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Sloth:

I recommend a maximum cap of 3 players per Kingdom. That should solve everything.

02:03:32 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Soccerjester:

Naerey's first era? check ur facts.

sloth, that brilliant! why didnt anyone think of this before?!?!?1

02:06:19 Jun 20th 07 - Ms. Strawberry:

well this is nothing new. i saw zeon having 50 members last era of sparker and dark riders (i forgot the era and wolrd ;p) had 70 members or something.
id rather see these large kingdoms than the three player kingdom that we had last era 19. it was a disaster.

03:49:38 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Gothrim:

I really think Naerey has the wrong end of the stick here. Both Zeon and Music do a hell of a lot to encourage and help new blood, though they do trim down for Fant again when an era starts. That was my situation middle last era, a hopeless case "human" with rainbow everything. Well, Music took me in. Had it been this era on Nirvana, maybe Zeon would have. Question of luck and starting position. So sure, some kd's get a bit bloated in the process, but then what do you expect people like me to have done? Stayed forever with Dark Riders?

Arguing about whether there should be a limit of 20 or maybe 15 members on Fant only....now maybe that's worth discussing... =)

04:27:48 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Dark Blood:

/me slaps Roxycrybury, you only like to think you do all the work. Playing picture Pages isn't really work, lol.

04:37:44 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Shyers The Return:

I saw him take out the trash the other night and sweep the floor... course i think that's cause he broke Cobra's gravy boat that went with his expensive china and didn't want him to know. I was peeking down the stairs till Q told me to get back to bed.

08:58:34 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Messiah:

Strawberry: We had 50 members on Mantrax, kicked 25 out when we went back to Fant.. Though we took in some vets and reached like 30+ membs. It was too large at that time.

09:03:39 Jun 20th 07 - Lord Argyle:

Sloth needs a spanking XD for

"I recommend a maximum cap of 3 players per Kingdom. That should solve everything."

Anyway, as long as the kingdom isn't the entire map, it could work for them, they will still be kicked by top kingdoms in fantasia the era after...a number of eras ago I was in a kingdom called Dragon Masters, and we had 50+ members, still only our explorers did well (I was mage at that point I think). So really the numbers don't make such a big different. Ofcourse, killing a kingdom with many members should give you more colonies when doing the take overs :P

10:29:47 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Take The Naked:

Admiral Krum

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6/19/2007 7:10:28 PMSeriously, it's rather annoying to have some 30 member kingdoms...

23 < 30

But I agree, it is difficult to control a large KD.

Unless you've got the Krum factor!
wooo! go krum!

13:12:26 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Wiseguy:

"well this is nothing new. i saw zeon having 50 members last era of sparker and dark riders (i forgot the era and wolrd ;p) had 70 members or something.
id rather see these large kingdoms than the three player kingdom that we had last era 19. it was a disaster."

We (Zeon) didn't exist last era? (we were still One & Only back then...)

13:12:55 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Cros:

I don't like what our kingdom did too... 42 members isn't very organized. organized enough for Nirvana, but what will be in Fantasy. And in the fact that 50% of them still building rainbow towns. Some will leave next era, but kingdom with more than 22 members never was very powerful.

13:15:21 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Diegothe Killer:

My kingdom only had 8 members.. But all of em left when we were attacked by Predetors (except for 3) so now we gotta start recruiting again in mantrax

13:21:13 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Hemmer:

23 and 24 is closer to 20 than 30..

But well Naerey, you've been playing for a pretty long while. You should know these kingdoms are recruiting, grabbing the best players, and go with to Fantasia with those.

Let's see, from the 23 Music has around 50% players that are playing their first or second era.
That means we're teaching ~11 players who are new to this game the ropes.
Let's see. What about your small kingdom?

MDOW Medieval Dogs Of War 5 Mr. Naerey 24

Oh noes. Only 5 players. Do you even have new players in it? Well, it's obvious the big kingdoms are better for this game, as they take in far more new players than you do, and teach them the game. Oh, yeah, you will take profit from that by taking their non-rainbow cities?

Seriously, go *beep* yourself and lead a kingdom with 20 *beep*s in it after.

18:20:51 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Naerey:

Dear Mr. Hemmer,
I would love to tell you, that I too, know that 23 is closer to 20 than 30! I'm sure you know the maths too.
I've played for a few eras, but not for that long... but sure, it's a long while..

Anyways, my small kingdom is made up of, as you said, 5 members. Me, a veteran player, Din, who is playing his 3nd era, Karablier plays his 2nd era, and the other two are first timers. So, gee, it's a 40% new players, innit? And even 60% if you consider "new players" those that play 2nd era as well.
Now, I make a point of not recruiting every single person I meet, unless they ask to, and then we decide.
Bigger kingdoms are better for this game? Really? How? Sure, you've got much less enemies.... (~_~;)

I couldn't understand the last sentence, because of those *beeps*, but I guess you meant "Seriously, go rest yourself and lead a kingdom with 20 palyers in it after".
I'd follow your suggestion, but then again, my "later" won't be very active, and if you had already read, I'm making the Fighting Farmers Society (ffs!), would you like to join?

lots of love, ( ^.^)
-- King NaeRey

19:06:03 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Hemmer:

11 v 3. Still. And heh, we had 30+ members most of the era, all taught the game by us.
Why did we kick them then? Too much work to organise it all.

Bigger kingdoms are better because, I stated:
as they take in far more new players than you do

And don't talk about less enemies. We have one NAP on Nirvana
Lets see. Still 150+ people to fight I think. Less enemies because we're with 'many'? More souls, more fun, more power.

And nah, I have a kingdom to run myself.. ;)

Presents from
Hemmer

21:42:44 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Naerey:

Btw Mr. Hemmer, there's more than one way to help new players...
One of those is not to get pissed too easy...
Another is to post Guides..

21:47:22 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Cros:

Mr. Naerey
6/20/2007 11:42:44 PMBtw Mr. Hemmer, there's more than one way to help new players...
One of those is not to get pissed too easy...
Another is to post Guides..

Training gives more experience than reading guides.

22:11:45 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Hemmer:

And come on. How many new players will read the guide when just starting to play? They'll just do things that are 'bad'. They'll build rainbows.. Get bored because some bully takes them over, because he does know how to play.

Btw, I usually have a sense of humour.. It's just that posts like these piss me off.

22:44:35 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Phantom Liano:

ye but dr had 88 members lolz

23:03:37 Jun 20th 07 - Mr. Thardin:

Now, I make a point of not recruiting every single person I meet, unless they ask to, and then we decide.
Bigger kingdoms are better for this game? Really? How? Sure, you've got much less enemies.... (~_~;)

I'm in Luna Wolves, and in no way did we go around recruiting every person we've met. Infact we only invited about 10 people, which was when there was only 8-10 people in our kingdom. Of those 10 about 6 joined. Every other person in our kingdom has asked to join us. Also we haven't accepted all of the aps, infact we've turned down about 20-25 people.

As for less enemies, we're currently at war with 6 kingdoms. It was 9 at one point but 3 of them have disbanded. We currently have 2 NAPs, one is a kingdom with just 1 member, basically because I thought he was a pretty cool person from chatting w/ him. The other is with a kingdom that we could probably wipe out in a couple days if we wanted. However, I like their kingdom and have known them to be honorable and good players from the past.

Sure our kingdom is large and not nearly as organized as it could be. However, it's been a fun getting to know the active ones and at the end of the era I'll pick 15-20 of them when I remake LW and take over as leader.

I guess what I'm getting at is we haven't had an easier time due to the amount of players. About half of them are inactive or aren't able to contribute much of anything anyway. If anything it's made it more challenging for us as being in the #1 spot and having this many players has made us a target.

02:04:26 Jun 21st 07 - Mr. Soccerjester:

spoon, never seen u so angry. naerey was just asking why? u have explained, and all is good!

02:13:43 Jun 21st 07 - Mr. Biggerboom:

Thardin.. Are Luna Wolves moving to mantrax or fantasia next era?

Cuz if yuo guys are moving to mantrax i want to fight you guys :D

02:28:57 Jun 21st 07 - Mr. Thardin:

We'll more than likely go to Mantrax, need another era or two to get the kingdom working together as it should.

02:08:49 Jun 27th 07 - Mr. Rubyian:

Quote Spoon(aka Hemmer):"And come on. How many new players will read the guide when just starting to play? They'll just do things that are 'bad'. They'll build rainbows.. Get bored because some bully takes them over, because he does know how to play."

Agreed. I was pretty much hopeless until I joined music. I learned everything I know from Hemmer and his Vices. I didn't even find all these guides and stuff until he got me active on the kd forums.

02:35:37 Jun 27th 07 - Mr. Enyalius:

Hemmer I didn't other reading through all this, but I read your post saying that he leads only 5 players and doesn't want new players or something. For your information he has led a few KDs that have reached 20+ and ALL of those KDs have taught Newbs really well, whether it be with his KD or against it.....

02:42:49 Jun 27th 07 - Mr. Scottology:

the thing i find funny here is how everyone feels that larger kingdoms are less organised. if you have people who want to work as part of a team and read the forums and personal messages regualarly its not too difficult to organise the defensive and offensive needs of your kingdom.

the only problem is that larger kingdoms, as stated usually have higher numbers of new players who may be unaware of the forums or even messages and as such are much harder to place into organised battle plans. as such these players who are unable to compete on fantasia are left behind, resulting in member numbers falling. if you can find the right people however its fairly easy to organise everyone into the battle plans.

02:53:25 Jun 27th 07 - Mr. Rubyian:

Ya but thats a bit of a dream, there's always *beep*s out there to ruin it.

02:54:34 Jun 27th 07 - Mr. Rubyian:

*stupid people*, didn't use any bad language in their lol.

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