Shouldn't you be out trying to "win the era", instead of posting here Primate?

"my job is to do whats best for Rebirth, and i am sure that i did whats best for Rebirth."

You intent is not in dispute here. I can understand and somewhat accept that you thought you were doing the right thing. What i, and the other Vices in Dark, cannot accept is that you don't think it was the wrong thing to do by your NAP.

Sure protect yourself, but you could at least try to make up for that action. You've offered no apology and no hint of compensation.. So now what? We just have to cop it on the chin?

This is no directed at anyone but Overcome, btw, so your opinions on it mean squat to me.

You mean where we stand up for ourselves?

Rebirth attacked us. There's no denying that fact.

Since our "NAP" has no terms, that basically means "we won't attack each other". Overcome attacked Prised, killed 3k Naz and 10k MU. Therefore, NAP broken. They, and you, can try to twist it anyway you want but those are the facts obvious to anyone above the age of 3.

I'm not twisting anything mate. The actions of Overcome speak for themselves. He chose to attack Prised, and is not interested in a diplomatic resolution. It's as simple as that.

Which other KD in VU would just take being attacked and do nothing when refused compensation?

Im glad i did what i did i knew you guys were aching to attack us ever since prised cried about trying to set up a town in our core and now you've proved me and everyone in this topic that said you were bad stuff right

yes thats right because massing troops on blockers while rebirth fights mayham
then waiting till there asleep to attack them is so HONORABLE right ?

lol your good leon

• 20:02:17: Saint Lucises Lavour Leon attempted to cast a spell upon us.
• 20:02:26: Fire rains from the sky in Treesrus and kills 1 peasants. 0 lumbermills also burned down.

i actually dont know what to say anymore, lol

does anyone see a pathern here? i make a statement for everything Rebirth has done then Prised and Ademo just ignor everything they cant defend.

and so it goes, i am damn tired of this now. i aint going to post another big thread so Dark members can just ignor. im fed up with this.

if Dark want to talk diplomatics, then have your leader speaking to me. she is prob equally tired as me on this whole matter.

i sugget everyone just stop talking about this matter, and when/if i recive a message from Dark leader, then we will discuss this between us. i know her and i know she is rasjonell, so we would actually get somewhere with our discussion.

I never told you to control your members. Learn to read.

You really think we'd have done anything so far without her approval? Really?

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you guys are the ones that wants something, we are perfectly fine over here. living our lives on a rose^^

therefor your leader can contact us if there is anything she would like to propose=)

Well i assumed you were talking about that situation :P

And yes, i did join this a little late :P Bout 2 weeks ago :P

Overcome, you STILL havent provided anything , you keep saying you responded but all you have done is say that you were justified and that because there are no terms on our nap that you were justified in breaking it. We ignore the obvious BS you posted because its Obvious BS.

1- you broke the nap by attacking me, that is obvious, your reasoning was not only flawed but was proven flawed.

2- you have openly protected the 2 members who dropped tags, you claim you couldnt control them, thats fine, but protecting them after they dropped tags is definately breaking our nap yet again. taking cities that they took from dark so that we could not retake them only makes it look like you planned this all along. so does you taking a blocker in between us, to anyone with a brain that say that you are protecting and approve of their actiuons. prove us wrong with some facts here, not just your typical " no thats not how it is" argument.

3- you are speaking to the leaders of dark You know Nola is Ill and frankly she will not be joining your alliance as she respects those who HONOUR their word not break it on purpose, you will note that when Dark breaks a nap even inadvertantly we provide comp and usually boot the offender.

as for filling blockers Vapour you nimrod you are a case in point why we dont trust Rebirth atm , whats funny is that fate has deceided to expunge you from the area so we dont have to break our word and take our blocker back.

we will fill our blockers while we work towards a resolution that is fair, if we wanted to war rebirth we would have when they broke our nap, unlike rebirth we take our word very seriously and are giving rebirth every chance to resolve this and keep their name in good standing rather than have them become known as nap breaking douchebags.

Its up to Overcome, he can continue to make exucses or he can man up and admit he made a mistake.

Prised, wow your words really hurt me.  All you do is talk sh*t and throw around allegations.  The person who you seemed to describe sounds like...me.(Funny how that works eh?) That "preparation" for an invasion was probably 2 REAL armies.  Funny how it kicked your ass off of Starta and back into your core(Yeah then I expect a "We were fighting like 20 wars on Fant!" so you don't have to mention it).  Then more armies came as the war progressed.  You cannot honestly say that a 100k and 50k elf army counts as an invasion? Oh and as for the little insults you add to every post against me, it really reflects your maturity.  Luckily this is a game and I just laugh at how seriously you are taking it.  Go rage some more please.  :)

LOL are you on crack scientist?

You didnt kick anyone off starta you *beep* in fact you couldnt kick the *beep* out of your own pants.  We started on fant then restarted on starta. shouldnt you be making your threat to quit right about now. Luckily you are a loser that nobody listens to at all.

1- are you denying you sent that PM? that you whined about people backstabbing you thats why you backstabbed us last era? i guess i can break my own rule and post an msn convo.

Prised, this entire topic you have screamed and raved like a child.  You have resorted to insulting things about me that have no relation to VU at all.  Do I say anything about your RL? I think not because that is about as immature as it gets.  Please read your posts and tell me what about them is mature? Every post you always add in some slander or insult against things about ME, not me ingame.  You can post w/e you want, but keep in mind that if you go THAT far, I will just start talking about YOU.  What I said to you, I said it was PERSONAL.  I wanted to talk about someone else that Dark was having internal struggles with, but I guess this game means more to you than RL right?

Think about what you have been posting goddamnit and then think about how mature you have been acting! Dear God! I said that it was between me and you, no one else.  You are so desperate to win a game...congrats.

chating like in market :P very poor :D

Yeah, if you post a conversation that we said was confidential at the time, it would certainly show who is the trustworthy one.  I didn't save it because I asked that it was a man to man talk.  1v1, not something you would copy and paste to other people in your KD.  I didn't even talk to anyone else about it.  Just go ahead and post it and make yourself feel like a real man.  Heh, like I care, you are the one claiming he is quitting.  Post the entire conversation.

Hey Ryan, I don't know if you still don't get it, but IT IS A GAME.  Have fun doing everything you can, even breaking your word, to win.

Vapor wreaked that city a long time ago saint

thanks sir thomaas,  I think you have been very straight forward with us and i would rather single out people then get angry at everyone in a kingdom.  Vapor and the halfler ben dropped my income from 3 mil to 1.  so if I don't get my cities back at least dark should be compensated for the loss. 

anyway I'll survive without it but it is the point.  I would have traded them to rebirth for other cities elsewhere (like from IPf) but now that rebirth owns them I feel a little betrayed in the way they got them. 

Like if 2 members of DARK joined Mayham and took a bunch of rebirth cities then they ended up back in DARK's hands.  hmmm  sounds like a plan.

also prised it amazes me sometimes how simple you are

Overcome, You have a chioce you can discuss this like a man or we can discuss another way for this to be settled. period.

now you really dont see the problem.

"discuss this like a man" yeah that was not sexist at all:P

however, i must say that you are under impression that "discuss like a man" is repeating yourself and ignoring the other party untill it gives up. then no, i aint going to "discuss like a man". im just fed up with this.

i have no idea what drives you. i have said that the discussion will continue between your leader and i. not a irrasjonell, repeating record like you;)

i just say, thank god you are not the leader of Dark. i dont even know why u are there after so many people left Dark just because of you. lol.

Saint Lucises Lavour Leon: thanks sir thomaas,  I think you have been very straight forward with us and i would rather single out people then get angry at everyone in a kingdom.  Vapor and the halfler ben dropped my income from 3 mil to 1.  so if I don't get my cities back at least dark should be compensated for the loss. 

anyway I'll survive without it but it is the point.  I would have traded them to rebirth for other cities elsewhere (like from IPf) but now that rebirth owns them I feel a little betrayed in the way they got them. 

Like if 2 members of DARK joined Mayham and took a bunch of rebirth cities then they ended up back in DARK's hands.  hmmm  sounds like a plan.

finally there is something i can work on. all though i have explaned this before, i will do it again cause its the nicest post i've seen in weeks from this forum:P

yes, i understand that it looks suspices and that its extra bad for you. and thats what i told Vapor when he offered us his cities. he said: either we burn them down, or you can take them if you promes not to give them to Dark. this was at the point we were so pissed off at Dark (not that it has changed so much from then:P). i told Vapor that Dark would get pissed off and it would make this whole insident look more suspicius, but we did not do anything against the rules of our NAP, and i was not exactly feeling like being nice to Dark:P

all though later when they offered the blocker, i refused to take it. but then apperently one of them asked a member of my KD to take it. and before i had time to respond, he had taken the blocker.

bam prised put on your ass

so you choose to ignor your leaders order?

and clearly you dont know whats going on, or you just refuse to aknowledge your own weakness on being an ass. those people left cause of you, and i have messages saying you are the reason. i wont post it here cause i dont know if its okei by them.

but if you attack Rebirth, then you disobay orders from your leader and that will recive consequenses;)

heh,  Prised even makes others leave their alliance.