from some of our point of view...we didn't really like bashing on small alliances and once we realised ANAL was so small and on the death ropes we backed off. we then realised that positionally we just couldn't have them there and since we had a no NAP policy in the new MYTH then they had to join or die...they discussed it with us , openly admitting they were waiting to see if BOW would get near to decide who to join which was pretty lame. i mean there is no drama in being killed off and going to another world...it happened to freedom fighters who were very decent players. ANAL felt they ,simply, they should farm all era an be left alone....if that wasn't in the middle of our cities there may have been some chance for that perhaps...but farmed up cities(with armies) untouched all era...come on, who is going to allow that so near their cities.

They chose to join and i never saw a single army from DKD afterwards with only Ben contributing anything, and it was appreciated. If someone had offered us the deal DKD tried with glads/bow- we would certainly react in the same manner and full props to glad and bow for doing the right thing.

I was there first damn it! Now I know what a Native American feels like. :( Damn whitey's kicking me off my land. :P Also, most of my armies were up north away from all the fighting (back then anyway). I only had one army down there, but at the time I had a deal with BoW that we wouldn't attack each other, so that's why you didn't see me doing anything. :P May I just say that this whole thing is stupid. If Glads and BoW had just politly turned down my offer insted of turning it into a big thing them I would still be in MYTH and we wouldn't be arguing about it. :P 

What do you suggest then Arthur?

except we read your offer to glad and bow saying how when they got close you would change sides to them. 

Well this is how I see it...I got owned in the OOP attacks by lords and skulls...who both very graciously provided us with NAPs and even allowed us to continue to build in the area.  Being a pesimist, I chose to relocate furthur south..unfortunately BoW moved in near me shortly after but agreed to a cease fire.. So about the time I begin to rebuild a Lords member violated our NAP and took two of the remaining cities in the north killing the last real army there.  Although, they tried to rectify the problem I built other cities to make up for the loss. Although DKD was eventually able to get there to return one of the two cities back.  BoW decided to ignore our cease fire and take another city. though this was only a minor inconvenience as it was resolved quickly.  Then MYTH formed and its first move was to take the city just liberated from LORDS stating there no NAP policy.  So I began to stregthen my defenses and grow my resources, using magic to defend till forces arrived I had no hope of defending against so we accepted 'occupation by MYTH'  I defended our front and even captured other cities in addition to destroying some armies.. finally glads came and pushed back the invaders and ANAL was liberated. 

With that being said.. I hold no grudge against Glads as there was no guarentee they would not attack...in fact Sir Ophiucus actually stated he was by his prep army name.  MYTH stated origionally that we were on there way to BoW and could not leave us behind there lines..however was forcing us to join or die..they stopped all advancement leaving us to defend and when asked for help was told that I should stop farming and use my army..which I already had and although it was decent size, it was barely able to defend.  I swore no loyalty to MYTH nor did I act in any manner to undermine them.  BoW has capitalized on glads success..good for them to strike that effectively and if not for the cowardly actions of their member earlier I probably would even think them an honorable KD as well. Im not saying they are not, just that actions have left doubt.  Death to all must come, and I accept that.. My congrats to Glads..Although I had the armys i made crucial errors at a key moment of your invasion which allowed BoW to capitalize and essentially render them useless..

I hope I didnt come off as some whiny newb, as that was not my intention.  Although I am a newb, I dont mind a honorable defeat.  And if nothing else, through all the dishonor of the era, in the end my destroyers at least were honorable.  My Salute

Wow die kill die, very low. You could have just died and just join Bow or Glads but no you just do this. Tsk tsk tsk dude

Silence, My only problem with BoW was the cease fire that was violated b4 MYTH formed..As for MYTH armies having free access, It was once and it was the same time we were forced to join by the same armies.  Perhaps I could of warned you that I was opening my gates to an overwhelming army, but we didnt have a NAP only a cease fire. All previous armies entering my core were always dealt with although a few teleports were not as benificial as other.

Lol..just noticed that i'm starting (well continuing to) babble and repeat myself...ooops :-P

18:04:21 Jun 21st 10 - Mr. Ben:

sigh..if only we could be wh*r*s..at least we would get paid :-D

So who will win Mantrax?

Kingdoms in Mantrax
	Gladiators	17	Mr. Gladiatorul	100
	MYTH	31	Mr. Fionn Mac Cumhaill	52
	Brotherhood of the Wolf	13	Duke Drakos	30
	Predators	4	Sir Darkmarsbar	7
	VU Police	4	King Burninglegion The Doombringer	4
	Assassinate Neutralize Annihilate Liquidate	2	Mr. Die Kill Die	4
	Undercover	2	Mr. Serpico	1

No we will not completely kill off Myth but we will still be the winners of Mantrax

Liu sorry that part wasnt for you it was for Venomz, I was answering both Q in one sentence cause im lazy : p

yes Glad have done really well-we are trying to hold out as best we can. i hope to at least be considered slightly annoying to them.

Just because you join a Kingdom doesn't mean you make a comitment to them, especially when that kingdom has a join or die policy. :P Sure, I tryed to make deals with people to secure my safty. You say dying doesn't matter, but when you've got a good setup and like, 20 sci lvls, then dying and having to start again is a pain. That's why I always do what I can before accepting death. Even if it burns a few bridges. :P Which I am sorry for. But the truth is me (and Ben) never attacked anyone who didn't attack us. Even after we remade ANALwe didn't attack MYTH, when we were in MYTH we didn't attack Glads and only attacked BoW when they attacked us. I'm a diplomat, I prefer peace than war. If it were up to me we would all get along, have NAPs and farm and build cities all era. lol. Now, I know that a lot of you don't like me and I can understand that. But I did what I thourght was best to survive. Also, there seems to me a mix up about me leaving MYTH to reform ANAL. I didn't, I was kicked from MYTH then Drakos tattle tailed on me for trying to make a deal with BoW. If he had of just send back a message saying "No, we don't want to make a deal." then I would have stayed in MYTH. After I was kicked it was past the last 10 days of the era so I couldn't join another kingdom. So I got Ben to leave and help me remake ANAL as it was the only option left to do, other than die kingdomless. :P I didn't want to betray anyone, I just didn't want to die, and I saw that MYTH was going to be killed so I desided to try my luck making a deal with Glads and BoW. I offered to help then fight MYTH, because like I said before, what's better option 1 or option 2. :P Although I had no intentions of actually fighting, like I said, I'm a diplomat. I only fight then I have to. :P However, as you all know, my plans failed and I was kicked, and thus did the only thing I could. Although I still havn't attacked MYTH at all. So, I'm sorry MYTH for what happened, although I wasn't loyal to MYTH, I didn't want to see them destroyed either. :-/ Lastly, I just want to say that MYTH could have won if they had of went after Glads right away and not attacked ANAL, LORDS, Preds, espcially BoW, and all the other Kingdoms I can't remember. I said that from the start. They should of had a MYTH vs Glad war and left the rest of us alone. But oh well, things are the way they are. Congratz Glads, and to a lesser extent BoW. And good first era MYTH. Maybe you'll do better without a No NAPs policy and a Join or Die policy. lol. And congratz Preds for doing pretty much shit all (not that we can tak. :P) And good luck next era VU Police. And um... where the hell is Undercover anyway? lol.

Yep, peachy.

I guess you missed the part where I said I would always to what I can before accepting death, even if it burns a few bridges. There's no way I could have beat your army, the only option left was to try and get you to leave us alone, it didn't work, but I had to try. :P Also, yes, I lyed to you. I'm a lier, I'm a diplomat, that's what we do. :P But I'm not a traitor, I never whined about anything and I'm not a coward, I just did what I had to do to survive. Usually I have more troops and more member in my Kingdom, this era it was just the two of us and thus was a hard era. We had no chance against the bigger Kingdoms. Also, if you want me dead so bad come and kill me. :P If I still have troops left by the time you get up ther then I'll show you how much I can fight back. >:-|

Hello,

Can we put an End to the whining Please Its absolute carp.

Ill explain what actually happened.

Start of Era- Skulls Naped BOW and Glads this was my option I have 100% respect to both leaders of those kingdoms so thats the reason for the nap.

We had no NAP with Legions or Anal or SS.
About 2 weeks into the Era I got talking with Teirdel and Theo about creating a Kingdom for Next Era It wasnt to Rule Mantrax it was aimed at gelling towards Next Era,
NAPS that had currently been Held by Skulls/lords/SS had to be put to rest as there would be no point in NAPING every kingdom.

Towards ANAL,
Anal were given a join or die Policy as there where within the Borders of all 3 kingdoms-Skulls -lords-SS so this was the only real possible option to offer,
Anal joined when they seen us advancing on BOW (DKD) you have to admit it was basically to save your Bacon.
I kicked DKD from Myth as I got tipped he was plotting against the kingdom by a good friend in Bow.
Anal did nothing to help till it was too late anyways Ben was the only one contributing.
Towards Cowardice I thanks Bow and Glads for being Honest and upfront when I messaged them we had members leaking Information on our kingdom.

Message From Duke Drakos

Warning

Duke Drakos (6/17/2010 5:28:25 PM)
I respect you, so i am warning you, you have a couple of members that are trying to betray you/MYTH to save their butts. >>>>>> Mr. Die Kill Die (6/16/2010 2:48:29 PM) So you're making your push now huh? Tell you what, if you guys and Glads can make it to my cities up North, then I'll ditch MYTH and help you out. But if you want mine and Bens help, you have to not attack us. We won't attack you ether. Anyway, concider it, I have a few cities up there and armies too, it would be pritty useful for you for me to switch sides and attack MYTH when they have their armies out defending... <<<< That was a msg I recv'd, I did not respond as I do not play that way.
You (6/17/2010 8:18:53 PM)
Thanks Mate

To All,


I want to give a big Thank you to Bow and Glads for this Era being so much Fun altho you have nearly taken all my cities I have Chuck Norris in Reserve to kick butt,:)

You have made this Era very entertaining and It has been a pleasure to war against 2 such good kingdoms. I hold my hat off to you guys.

May I ask both your plans for Next Era so as to avoid you lol joking.

As I have said Its been a pleasure.

Fionn/Pointbreak
Former leader of Skulls and good Friend to Glads and Bow,

Just to make a correction of Ophi's words:

Heimy is one of our leaders, currently in charge with our diplomacy. And you Die, talked to the right person, indeed.

What Ophi didn't know is that we had a discussion on our Council Forums and then we passed the decision to all Glads.

Palptine, I never expected MYTH to lose. :P And as I said, I told BoW and Glads I'd help them fight MYTH, but I never intended on doing so. Everyone may think I'm a coward, but if I had more troops and member in my Kingdom then I would fight. But unfortunatly I didn't and thus had to resort to other methods to survive. Believe me, I'm not happy about it, it was just nesasery. And I probly wouldn't be alive now if I didn't.

And yeah, I was plotting, but I was plotting to save myself, not to bring MYTH down. If I really wanted to do that I coulda just kicked all the members. :P And I never did any spying on MYTH for anyone. I would been happy if MYTH had won. Then I wouldn't have had to try and make a deal with Glads and BoW. :P In the end, I was just trying to cover all my bases, and it backfired. I admit that. And I'm sorry. Don't let this era be the one to remember me by, it was a hard era for me and I had to do things I wouldn't normaly do.

DKD, these were my exact words: "However, we do not approve of measures such as the one you propose. You picked sides at one point in this conflict and now you will have to stand by it." 

hey all,

"To All,


I want to give a big Thank you to Bow and Glads for this Era being so much Fun altho you have nearly taken all my cities I have Chuck Norris in Reserve to kick butt,:)

You have made this Era very entertaining and It has been a pleasure to war against 2 such good kingdoms. I hold my hat off to you guys.

May I ask both your plans for Next Era so as to avoid you lol joking.

As I have said Its been a pleasure.

Fionn/Pointbreak
Former leader of Skulls and good Friend to Glads and Bow,"

I agree, this era has been an interesting one.  I knew from the start of the war that it would be fairly even, and it turned out to be so.  We did a lot of fighting in our own core, and we could not have survived if it wasn't for Glad.  But for a kingdom your size and so new, I believe MYTH played really well.  I enjoy playing with good kingdoms, either against me or with me.  That's why I enjoyed this era so much where I had an amazing kingdom with me and an amazing kingdom against me.  Congrats to both your kingdoms, may you do well in the future!  And Glad you guys better be on Fant next era!

Ahhhhh..That was refreshing...Nothing like a good A** whooping to get the gold flowing again ;-p