Kd policy is to kick people after 10 days. I wasn't going to kick a player, particularly one whom i'd conversed with on skype and on other worlds before, just b/c our opponents suspected they might be multis. Bran told me his concerns, but as they've been inactive since day 3, they didn't respond when I asked them about it.

The spoils are negligible, much lower than the "40+mil" Bromance is suggesting. I'd much rather have a few more active, non-multi players, than the whopping 8mil plunder I got from their main mining city. I'll gladly share the spoils if that'll stop your complaining, not gonna save you anyway =P


We've also kicked Scientist, as he's been inactive for over 10 days as well. Are you going to accuse him of being a multi as well? I'll gladly post the discussion we've had on our forum that talks about how nobody wants the cities or is bothered to plunder them b/c they are largely useless.

Since when has kicking inactive players been more of an issue than marching armies through forests to get around blockers? Monks, care to answer that question?

I don't know who is complaining, but since your bring it up. I have seen them go through a forest. If I have to take a screen shot to demonstrate I will. 

If you want to accuse someone of multi just let zeta know and he will handle it.

I messaged Zeta about it before Bran even posted about it 11 days ago. Zeta checks vu like once a month if we're lucky, it's unknown whether he did the multi sweep I requested or if the guy running the multies just went inactive.

When a game as an inactive admin, it is up to us players to act honourably and police ourselves.

The walking through trees bit is a joke. Everyone knows there is faux terrain on all maps, and no has ever complained when someone walked around a blocker that was improperly placed at one of these locations. Maybe you should message Zeta to get the map fixed in that place. If you're lucky, he will do it before the year ends.

If we don't say anything people will start to think that it's an acceptable tactic to do this.

Lets not ignore that the same player who's multi's they are had an account in our KD due to the autojoin to spy on us early on...

I must say I do not understand the need of some people to use river jumping.
It is clearly a known bug, and it should not be used. But from era to era we see people keep using it, and then again people complain. I am not the one to complain on forums, I rarely do it, but what MAD is doing this era, is just annoying, and because of that now I can not enjoy the era at all.

The situation is such that my core is relativly safe, I have settled it that way so it becomes safe, to get to my core cities everyone needs to travel at least 20 ticks to attack me, which gives me more than enough time to walk my armies in defense, or do some strategic training. Obviously when I settled I wanted to get the farming bonus so I put one city near the river, but I did not think some people would be unhonorable and use this in their own advantage.

So what I have to do now is sit in a city all era and not go anywhere, even thought my situation allows me to walk around the map and still have enough time to run back and defend my cities if they enemies would be fair and not use bugs. If the bug worked both ways, if I could jump over to the other side and attack the armies coming tehre, then it would be fine. But if I want to defend that area I need to walk 20 ticks around to get to the location and then the enemy can just move away and wait for me to return to the core before returning again to that location. Only solution is for me to wreck the city and then wait for wreckages to go away or ask some Orc to b/d the city. But why? Because people use bugs to their own advantage.

We already have several examples of prepping over the river, Kobu, the guy that keeps complaining about stuff and then goes and uses the bug himself. The screen shot was given to be for the sake of this post:




In that situation Kobu would need to spend time to walk around to the bridge and then move down. But the issue I have is much bigger, because as I mentioned, to get to my cities you need many hours of marching, and its just not fair to walk over the other side and attack. Here Anonymous suicided his troops, possibly to show me that its possible to walk over the river, warning me about the case, and for that I thank him, I have been in communication with the guy earlier in the era and he seems like a cool guy. But I don't know if something is a known bug, is it ok to use?



So instead of my options being:
1. Go south and attack the enemy
2. Attack them from north
In both cases guard towers vision allows me to notice the enemy before hand, so I would be able to divert troops to defend in case of need, but this way I have to keep my army at Lewith Swamp, because you never know if enemy will just walk around the other side of the river.

It simply just kills the game, and this bug really should not be used.

Why would I do that? That is considered to be cheating, and I see you are advertizing cheating? And here I am complaining about using bugs and you obviously suggest cheating is fine. Wow... I see my post has no point if that is your remark. Nevermind.

how much time should pass before we assume he isnt going to fix the bug? he does call it a bug and does admit that it needs fixing, so I think the community should condemn its use?

AoTD has never been stated to be a bug. In fact, ZeTa tweaked it before since it was too easy to cast (it now takes into account the amount of dead in the army when calculating chance of success, and ignores the living troops in the army), so it's safe to assume he knows how it works, and doesn't consider it to be a bug.

So, exp feeding is allowed then

I honestly did not know river jumping made it to known bugs, if I did I would not comment of it. So it falls under same category as walking over closed gates if you set path while the walls were gone or opened...

Even thought other known bugs include things like getting the price higher on the market or hiding an army under another army, or news about plague having a bug, all those things do not matter for the game, only two that matter are the walking over the walls - and that one is clearly well accepted by the community as a part of the game, and since it falls under same category, river prepping will need to be accepted as same thing.

Your comparing two different issues. The army pathing while the gates is closed is not totally intentional. You make a decision and someone later closes the gate and your army keeps moving on. However, prepping on someones city from across the river is deliberate and intentional. The person made a clear choice in doing so. They moved thier armies in place and made use of the bug versus unknowningly involved with a bug. That is my take in the matter. 

gg MAD wp. i think its safe to say the era is over now. do you guys have someone who can cast arma?

this era, I make sure we have a mage who can cast Arma. So, let us be the one to cast it.

I'm interested in knowing what kingdoms are going to be around on Fantasia/Mantrax next era and with whom they will be playing with. VU seems less active than ever but Era 30 on Fantasia could still be fun and competitive.

congrats to anon and mad for the win. My armies are not moving anymore so feel free to kill them. Its useless that i keep fighting and only delaying a few ticks the era end :).

well, what can I say? I like to make sure, that's what I think. Besides, winning a decisive battle is not considered era-end-justification for some people. :P