| Fantasia Banter |
00:20:39 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Charley II:
My daily routine is waking up...seeing which of my cities got taken again....having someone help retake it....counting how many buildings were burned and how much my production has dropped.....cursing and swearing revenge on my enemies....and then building up for like 3 RL days....only to have some nazzie army walk over....murder everything I have....and then proceed to take over like 10 other cities before finally 20 armies start hunting it down....(after like 24 hours at least....) So fantasia has been a great learning experience for me in the field of patience and anger management =p
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00:23:48 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
Squiddy: Did LGC kill you during this time? Nope.
Why? Because every time we smacked (or anhilated your merger), DB sent theirs and threatened our core. So we had a choice: let them destroy our core, and us destroy yours. Or, save our core, and try again another day. Which is what we did.
Which is why I said, I don't think you survived this era through your own fighting, but rather diplomacy. I think you'll agree with that too. Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying that I agree with the point Sezy made, and that no Mantrax KD really has proven themselves on Fant in their own right, but rather, have hanged onto the coat-tails of the existing KDs.
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00:27:39 Apr 18th 08 - Ms. Hanky Panky The Sex Goddess:
"is it enough to say wol has pushed trio back sufficiently the past few days?"
It's a tactical fall back ;) @ incon most era's kingoms survival does depend on allies/friends making the right ones and all that etc etc but i know where your coming from we just worked as a team we only have one "allie"
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00:29:08 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
Yeah well, you did well to get onto Fant and get some allies. Most Mantrax KDs fail that hurdle.
Just I think you're gonna piss off a lot of the Fant guys if you try make out your survival this round was all your own doing. =P
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00:30:31 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Aligreat:
we only have one "allie"
Im the only Ali you need ;p....*silence*
*leaves*
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00:32:32 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:
*Hands Ali his coat* :P
I'm/We're not saying it was all down to us, but jeez, give us 'some' credit : /
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00:34:08 Apr 18th 08 - Ms. Hanky Panky The Sex Goddess:
hehe im keeping low no kingdoms survival is all their own doing
well lgc probably managed it in history and maybe abydos but we are the new kd that started from just 3 random players... 3 eras ago...
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01:04:56 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
I knew that would get this thread livened up lol. Anyway neither of you
are crazy for saying that but like anything its more complicated than
that.
Maybe DB are there with a merger when we lose one of ours, making follow-up tricky, but why haven't DB been eaten up when they lose 3-4 mil op at a time? Cuz there we are with millions more right in the way. What's more is we've never sent out so many men as to leave a hole in our defense. So far, whatever we've sent has been a small portion of what we had, so no it is no miracle we haven't been swallowed up.
Could we honestly have taken out carnage on our own? Yeah, not a problem, but some of our members were slow off the gun and we were a couple steps behind DB on that battle. Had we the chance we'd have been fine, we were really strong oop, just slow. LGC was nowhere to be seen oop except for one little armoury, so all we had to focus on was Carnage and they just had a bad era so we'd have been fine.
As for what we've proven, well, depends who you're talking about. Yeah we'd like to prove ourselves to a certain extent, but we're not going to hold our breaths for our enemies to respect us lol. Hell, half the people who kick total ass in fant don't get any respect, so we'll be back no matter what anyone decides we have and haven't proven. Therefore all we can do is prove it to ourselves. We're not at all arrogant; we know exactly how it is that we're still here. We'll be careful to exploit those things again and to not repeat the mistakes which our enemies had the chance to exploit, but failed to. We can't rely on our opponents' mistakes.
As for WoL, well, it was really no big deal. As soon as we started paying attention the problem stopped, we just chose other priorities at first. Also as Squid pointed out our MAP-mates decided not to war our enemy anymore over there so it isn't like we are sitting around.
So0o0o, basically, there are quite a few factors which conspired to make sure we are still here. A big one is that we always have enough manpower to make ourselves an unattractive target. We've been in a trench-war for weeks with LGC and it only takes baby steps one way or the other because we're playing the same tactics as they are.
Believe me, we were ready to hear what you're saying (Inconspicuous) lol, it comes as no surprise. I understand it's just an innocent observation, but we understand not to take it too seriously since of course someone was gonna say it, especially the guys we're warring =p. We were talking at the end of last era about the day this part of the thread would come heheh.
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01:10:53 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
So we had a choice: let them destroy our core, and us destroy yours.
Or, save our core, and try again another day. Which is what we did.
Wow... ok someone get him his meds, he's delusional. No one said that Trio did it all on their own, and almost any kd would "piss off the fant guys" if they said their kd did it alone. For you to say what you could or couldn't do in the past is irrelevant, because I say that you couldn't have done jack to us. We never threw the book at lgc so to think you could have just barreled over us is laughable.
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01:17:22 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Carolus Rex:
Thread has been revived. Congratulations Trio :)
Props!
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01:23:09 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
I knew we could do it =p I am an easily disagreeable person and usually when I get to talking people get fired up lol.
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01:33:46 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:
Oh don't I know it! Lucky we are usually on the same page clamps, or I'm gonna guess you'd have left Trio by now ;)
*Awaits the incoming forum attack* Quick! Build some firewalls!!
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01:34:00 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
Clamps/Squiddy, I was replying to this:
More to the point though, did LGC kill us during this time? Nope.
Did DB help us much at that time? Nope. So, how is it that this puny
little Mant KD managed to survive all that, if we weren't surviving
through our own merit? Me thinks you know feck all about this war :)
Maybe you should shut up Soccer :)
The insinuation there was that LGC didn't kill you in this time, and DB didn't help much, thus making Trios survival all its own doing. The reason we weren't able to make any significant breakthrough was because everytime we tried, DB threw forward a merger to thwart any advance. And when we beat DBs back, Trio was back up with a new merger.
Remember when we caught your 100k merger (which was in terms of merges at the time, significant, and had a number of hohs) in Unstoppable? And we destroyed it entirely? Why couldn't we advance int oyour core? Because as soon as we attempted to, DB came up. We had to defend ours. The same happened when we caught you running a 2nd time when you tried merge your two merges together, once we smacked one merge about, DB came through again to try cover your behinds.
All I'm saying is it's a bit unfair of you to have made the above statement, and presume here that you survived Fantasia all on your own. It's a real distortion of what happened. And while I appreciate you saying you didn't send all your troops out in each of the mergers we beat back of yours, neither did we, under the same premise: we had to defend (with more cause to) also. But when it did come to engagements, we won decisively each time.
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01:36:02 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
I've been corrected on the cf between WoL and DB in that I guess they were never fighting to begin with 0_o. Whatever, minor point but I don't want someone jumping all over trio cuz I was twisting the truth or some such nonsense.
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01:45:51 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
And while I appreciate you saying you didn't send all your troops out
in each of the mergers we beat back of yours, neither did we,
Uh huh, that's why no one was arrogant enough to insinuate that we would have barelled right over you when we make steps towards your core.
To say that you are responding to our claim that we did it all on our own is just putting words in our mouths. No one ever said we have been doing it on our own. We have given examples of times where it was more us and times when it was more our allies. We've also taken the high ground and not pointed out when it was due to our enemies' blunders. If you want to attack the guy who says we did it on our own then wait for him to speak, cuz no such person has come around yet. We have been slightly underestimated as a kd which we expected but the shock is in our modesty being underestimated. As I said before, we know how it is we are here. Anyone who thinks we don't is wrong and anyone who wants to characterize us that way anyway will be shown wrong as the era goes on, no matter whether we come out near the top or die off next week.
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01:50:34 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
I provided the quote showing where the claim was made that your own survival was through your own doing and not DBs. I'm not replying to anything that hasn't been said. If you scroll to the previous page, you'll see where Squiddy said it, and why it sparked the discussion over Trios influence in their own survival.
So stop getting so boisterous and looking for a flame fight. It was pretty civil between Squiddy, Hanky and co, until you muscled your way in showboating. Nobody is saying they don't like Trio. I just didn't think that the remark Squiddy made wasn't a real reflection of what went on.
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01:53:09 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:
Ahhh yes, I remember, (damn that was ages ago), you mean the army which comprised of about 1/4 of our total strength? Well done..? :S
So, regardless of what DB were doing, we could have quite easily moved our merge in unstopable had you pressed on.
Also, when we tried to merge our two merges, do you really call what happened, "smacking us about" ? DB were already advancing on you when we tried to merge, for starters - it's called team work. We also know that you suffered a lot more casualties than us when you "smacked us about". Innocently enough, you forgot to mention the bit where you used a ton of BT's to catch us and then you lost, remember? Either way, we took minimal losses and were able to merge our two armies :)
Which is what led to your recent slaughter. Saying that though, I'm fairly confident that would not have been the case had DB not been sending in merges. We're not trying to be too big for our boots, how ever much you try to play that angle, we're just calling it how we see it.
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01:57:45 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
1/4 of your strength, but containing all of your hohs and all of your strongest armies? Yeah right. ;)
As for the time you were trying to merge: We actually used 5 bts to reach you. 2 from Devi, 3 from me, for the first fight. . Not a ton. And we had higher losses than we expected because we failed our first battle in the high 80%s, before we came back and won again.
Anyway, this looks like it's turning into a petty argument. Which nobody wanted. I'll be the bigger man.
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02:10:31 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:
Well, that army consisted of only a few of our then 22 players, so yeah, it was smaller and you were our only target back then.
If you have to actually make a point of it, then state you're going to be the bigger man, you aren't really being the bigger man, just saying it to try and take the credit : /
No one is arguing pettily here, at the end of the day, if new KD's to Fant were given even the slightest bit of respect which they deserve for anything that they manage to achieve, none of this would be happening :P
You know, if it was 1v1, yeah you might have beaten us, but given our starts I would say it's not entirely impossible it could have gone the other way :P
Yeah, we have DB, we decided not to sit by ourselves and try to take all of Fant, which, well as anyone on this sane planet would know would have been a pretty stupid plan :P
So, I don't know what will happen now, but I don't particularly care :P All I was doing was trying to stick up for my KD, which I think have done pretty damn well for their third era of existence :P
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02:12:35 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
I saw the quote and I don't think you got what he was trying to say. I know that because as a kd we talk about these things and I know what Squid really thinks about all this stuff. Maybe the way he put it made it not so clear to others as it was to me having already known what he was meaning to say. To generalize a statement about one particular incident into the entire kd's view of the era as a whole, though, isn't fair even if you only did it by accident and that's all I'm trying to say with all my muscling and showboating 0_o, whatever you mean by that. Besides it isn't like the whole kd came here to speak their minds, this is just Squid and I talking here. Him and I are more....outspoken....lol
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02:35:15 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Seth:
hehe this thread is getting speed fast...it seems everyone waited for a flame thread to start the flames and expose their complaints:P
@Incon...maybe u guys might've defeated Trio or maybe not, maybe no one knows but to say that they survived with the help of their allies is kinda a malitious thing as no kd cant survive without diplomatics on Fant and thus without their allies who either help them directly or by not interfering...
and this applies for every kd..including LGC:P
the days when lgc was owning the map on their own are long gone..altho even then they had their lapdogs:D
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02:46:37 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
Yeah it's true, but he just really seemed to misinterpret what one of our guys was saying which is not the worst offense a person can commit. I went and got all hot headed about it all now and there's a good chance that I've just misinterpreted the point of what he was saying. Yes, this seems to all have been a big misunderstanding. Oh well, we're all human after all. I guess this thread is over, sorry guys you can go home.....
WE RULE THIS THREAD PUPPETS!!! DANCE! You will flame when we want and behave when we want, no arguments! >= (|
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02:59:16 Apr 18th 08 - Sir Shinigami:
I'm sitting here reading this thread and thinking up some good flames..
Then I realised I'm wasting precious brain power casting pure flaming gold to the great unwashed and Incon's already made the best main points already. Time to play more CC.
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02:59:52 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:
(Disclaimer: The views and opinions based on Clamps' posts are not the views of the entire Kingdom)
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03:05:21 Apr 18th 08 - Sir Shinigami:
(Advice: Then put a "clamp" on your loose cannon and let Hanky or a leader speak. He's making you all look bad..)
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03:05:36 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
Where are Carnage? I know they can appreciate that one lol
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03:12:11 Apr 18th 08 - Sir Soccerispeaceful:
Hanky is the smartest one of them all ;)
Ms. Hanky Panky The Sex Goddess
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4/17/2008 4:34:08 PM |
hehe im keeping low no kingdoms survival is all their own doing
well lgc probably managed it in history and maybe abydos but we are the new kd that started from just 3 random players... 3 eras ago... |
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03:19:13 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Squiddy:
lol, well to be honest I think the serious talking was ended with Seth's post.
Lighten up people ;)
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03:25:10 Apr 18th 08 - Duke Fafnir The Killer of Dwarves:
ok, ok, I'm going to start the largest flame this thread has seen yet (I hope ;-)
Ok I did the math and here is what I got.......
PKS, Carnage, LGC, Zeon, and WoL VS DB, DRT, and SHEOL (5 VS 3)
# of members in the same order
35, 25, 22, 21, 23= 126 VS 30, 21, 20= 71 (126 members VS 71)
Eras Old
LGC= FOREVER! PKS= Half of FOREVER, WoL=2nd Era, Carnage= 14th era (around there), Zeon= 14 or so Era too VS DB=8th (or so era), DRT 1st era on Fantasia (3rd overall), SHEOL= 1st (one overall)
SOOOOO it's
FOREVER and a half with 30 eras VS 10 or so eras?
Just showing #'s, experience of Kingdom, and who's with who. Now I KNOW ALL of those KDs are not allied, but not one else is attacking LGC so.......yea.
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04:12:04 Apr 18th 08 - Sir Shinigami:
Remember that "Be quiet, you're making Trio look bad" policy Fafnir? You're now included. I'm trying to have a shred of respect for you all and you're ruining it.
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04:25:00 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Noype Eht Singi:
No Fafnir, you've got it all wrong, let me correct your mistake ^^. Looking at the kingdom page...power terms (%)
From your list: PKS, Carnage, LGC, Zeon, and WoL VS DB, DRT, and SHEOL 82+57+70+34+59 vs 153+82+100 which equals 302 vs 335 So, just to add to the numbers ^^. (P.S. The post's just for fun, just incase no one knew).
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04:26:13 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Sezymon:
Fafnub thats about the stupides post I've seen today, what was it supposed to show...? atleast try to make a proper relations post when you decide to post.
(yes I bit the bait, but hell, who can let a post like that go unnoticed)
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04:44:37 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Clamps The Redeemed:
Oh no, our enemies don't respect us? Bugger, my whole goal this era was to get talked up by lgc too =( I guess we'll just have to do better next era.
Look it's not like we ever would have been shown any respect from lgc no matter what happened this era so why would we fret that we aren't getting it? Most of us don't give a flying frig-all about what lgc think of us anyway and I don't think we're the only guys in that boat. Look someone came up and said something that wasn't quite right and made us look pretentious. We came out here to show that we weren't and if in the process we come off as jerks then fine, some of us are jerks at least that is a fair assessment so I'm not arguing it lol.
Come to think of it....If lgc had came in already and whooped us and were saying that then I would consider it more, but when things aren't going the very best for you guys then who's really going to pay any attention to your criticisms of us anyway?
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04:54:18 Apr 18th 08 - Duke Fafnir The Killer of Dwarves:
Yay!!! Someone bit on the bait! HAHAHAHA! Nooooooooooow.
1st Sezy.....you're in SHEOL now, not LGC. You don't have to defend them anymore.
2nd Carnage= Killed by DB (and if not DB then we would have killed them)
WoL= Killed by SHEOL
ZEON= Hit Hard by SHEOL
PKS= Who knows what! Their PKS =P
LGC= Just plain weird!!!
DB= PWNAGE!!!!
DRT= KD made from SCRATCH, NO OTHER KD IN FANTASIA (in the top 5) is made from scratch!!!
SHEOL= Killed a lot of peeps=P
So what am I trying to say here? I personally don't know, but here is what I want to point out.
In DRT 90% of us it's our FIRST ERA IN FANTASIA
SHEOL First Era together as a KD, mostly experienced players, but still
DB still a relatively new KD compared to KDs like LGC and Carnage
LGC is eras old.......longest lasting KD in VU history (counting other KDs too like Z and OWN)
PKS have been together for quite a while
Carnage has been together for a long time
Zeon is not that new either
WoL is the only "new" KD.
So in the long run it's the "new" KDs VS the Old.........you can decide what that means=P
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05:00:31 Apr 18th 08 - Duke Fafnir The Killer of Dwarves:
Disclaimer: The views and opinions based on Fafnirs' posts are not the views of the entire Kingdom.
^^^^^^^^^A while since I've last seen that=P Remember Stormy ;-)^^^^^^^^^
Also Sezy maybe I don't feel like posting a good relations post! Maybe I just feel like starting a flame war!
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05:10:20 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Peter Jackson:
a man who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
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05:30:06 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Threehundredpoundlezzie:
General Beaverjuice
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4/17/2008 8:18:29 PMThe
wretched DBydos now plagues the lands of Fantasia. No longer is it
ruled by the fearsome and honourable blue banners that once graced
these lands. Who knows where these ungodly and cowardly beings appeared
from, rumours of a distant land some call Guatamala!! Incestuous
beings!! I, Ezzen of Ezzington, shall rise up with his brothers in arms
and trample your scummage from this once great land!!! *CHEERS*
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Ez, baby... i think you've gotten your math wrong, we have more ex-LGC in here then ex-Aby so perhaps you might want to try calling us AbyLgcdos next time? Altho... hehe... that puts me into a smirking mood as i wonder what you would call Sheolic then *chuckles hard*.
*lick* Don't be sore losers dear Blueberries... erm... bluebanners... erm... wtf... Lgc :) You are well on your way getting your faggy behinds handed to you so take it like Val does - with a smile and a bow :-> Even if Dark trio is giving it out, it's all rough love :->
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07:02:05 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Mac Dre:
LMFAO
LGC!!
I'm waiting!!
not to mention, Taking!!
your cities =P
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09:09:27 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Imma Chargin Mah Lazer:
Clamps if I were you I'd shut up real quick, you're making yourself and Trio by association look bad. What Trio has done is impressive and you're tainting it, but I guess that's ok since you're being overshadowed by Fafnir.
Fafnir, honey, your posts are so stupid I'm suprised Trio allowed you to post such things.
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11:07:33 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Fordius:
Ah come on guys :)
we all know that I'm your only GOD :)
so be quiet and adore me :P
PARTY !!!
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11:17:24 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Imma Chargin Mah Lazer:
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12:42:29 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Bird Boy:
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12:49:33 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Peter Jackson:
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14:00:34 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
*beep* sake. Why do I find myself replying to this drivel.
Fafnir, the assumption with your over-simplified posts there is way off the mark. Just as PHI have done well when Abydos disbanded in the past, and the remaining Abydos members flocked to PHI, certain KDs had the same happen to them this era, except both PHI and Aby "disbanded", making them even stronger. We all know which KDs those members went to, and it wasn't those on our side that's for certain. So to even suggest that Sheol, or any of the other KDs are new when a large proportion of their players are from existing KDs, or their leaders are, and lead in some of the oldest, then you really are naive. Time will tell how well a KD does, once those members go back to their former KD once it re-emerges. PHI managed to absorb the Abydos members for that one round, but when Aby returned, PHI sank back into obscurity and eventually disbanded themselves after getting a pummeling. Granted, you guys managed to beat Carnage off the bat (props for that, as I said there is respect, but not when you try flame us for discussing), but I wouldn't dare attempt to discredit what LGC did this round.I'm actually rather proud of what we managed to achieve when fighting 2 KDs alone (140% and 95% our power respectively at the start of the fight, 190% and 115% by the time our back was broken), and I certainly don't think it's fair to try lump our performance with the rest of the KDs when we were never even allied to them, and the only ally we did have ended up CFing the biggest KD on the map.
Clamps, you're just trolling for a fight now. Maybe you aren't quite used to it and really want to sink your teeth into a Fantasia flame-fest, but grow up, everybody can see your determination here. Maybe you don't have them on Mantrax, but have some respect, I was certainly giving Trio respect. I've got quite a bit of respect for Trio for what they've done, i've talked to Hanky about it too a bit, but your determination to try stir up crap here is really looking bad on yourself. Your guy claimed your survival this round was purely you own merit and DB had no part to play in it. We disagreed with that. Don't now start acting like a jerk and using the disagreement as an opportunity to start a fight, as nobody other than yourself (and maybe the sad individuals who keep frothing at the mouth waiting for a flame fight) wanted one. It was actually a pretty nice discussion between us and Hanky, and Squiddy, until you reared your head.
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14:23:02 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Peter Jackson:
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14:28:35 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Din:
3 abydos members ftw! clearly 3 extra members hurts legacy alot, swifty should shush before his rep gets more ruined :P
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14:30:55 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
Shup Carna..sorry. Wrong KD, same size. My bad. =P
As I explained to Mielo, I wasn't specifically talking about your KD anyway.
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14:33:36 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Din:
hehe its ok... lgc suck now just get over it. db fought 4 kingdoms equalling both our size and skill, i remember once lgc tried that but never carnage so saying we're like carnage purely based on numbers is silly so im gonna use the great lgc tactic and say but we did have like 5 inactives!!!
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14:35:03 Apr 18th 08 - Lady Quietone:
Swifty the only one looking bad in this thread is you and your sour grapes and your sour attempt at trying to bait in the new fantasia players to your word twisting antics that have grown very tiring to read.
Stop underhandly insulting DB we get it you dont like us and have no respect for us.... that's been clear for a long time now- However DB having 3-4 abydos members of which one or more are inactive hardly makes some super kingdom that you've mentally built in your mind to justify what is happening. None of which if I am correct are even fighting on the Legacy front so stop spewing already. Your claim about being proud of Legacy for what they've done this round? Well be proud, but dont think that you're alone in that theory of how well you did or have done, every kingdom on the map is fighting more than one kingdom so to toot your horn about that is kinda silly imo.
The situation Legacy is in is a far better one than DB or Abydos was in last era and next era it will be another kingdom, Carnage PKS and Zeon have had it just as bad this era as well if not worse than Legacy because Sheolic is kicking ass but the tides turn in the game and like many of us who went through all of this last era tried to explain to certain ppl who didnt feel the pressure last era..... the world of fantasia is alot different without walls.... the map has very little blocker areas available and every kingdom will struggle unless they make mass naps or get lucky on landing near allies or what other twist of fate the vu gods deal....
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14:38:00 Apr 18th 08 - Mr. Inconspicuous:
Nah, I agree Oya . You're more like NT than Carnage. Huge numbers, but seem to have taken better members in. Dunno how the balance willl change when certain KDs reform though.
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