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Not many people may know, but there were a lot of Kingdoms that were "shortchanged" if they started in the 1st hour of the era. Fantasia was accidently loaded on the small map, that is 1/4 the size of the fully expanded one. I reported this bug and then the map was expanded to full size. Unfortunately, anyone who already started was stuck in the middle cores.

That is why so many Kingdoms started next to each other, and even now there are cores that are basically empty on the outside.

It is out of necessity that some Kingdoms have 2 or even 3 NAP's. This is not a lot when you consider, for example, Abydos was starting within 30 ticks of Legacy, Dark Blood, Music, Zeon, Mirror, Jester, Predators, PKS, TMD, SMITE, PHI, and MAD.

My final point - the era is not over yet! Anything can still happen with over 800 ticks left.

i congratulate sloth for that non-flaming comment :)

I shall call my post, The Truth about the Evil Osiris Alliance

Abydos, Jesters, Music and Zeon started on practically the same area.  They whipped out a NAP among themselves.  But only Zeon and Abydos has a MAP.  Abydos and Zeon is attacking Legacy and at the same time Legacy is clearing out MAD. 

Abydos and Zeon claims that they are only napped with jesters and music.  But Zeon has openly threatened Mirror to attack us if we enter that area.  I know that is reasonable. But come on! how do you expect us to win a war without entering the core of the enemy?  Based on that, I think your "we're just napped" alibi is bs.  whether you like it or not you are mapped. 

Zeon unofficially tried to get a NAP with Mirror
Abydos tried to get a nap with Carnage, so does Zeon. 

as far as i know, PHI and Abydos/Zeon has no relations.

With Music's unhonorable departure from fantasia, that leaves Abydos, Zeon and Jesters to defend that area.  I saw some Music players join Zeon.  I dont know if that is still true since Music has restarted in its right place. 

jester does not have an MAP with anyone. we messed up our last one (sry to BoW again) and are not willing to try it again anytime soon. sry twamao, but there isnt one. they have the right to not let u build in their core, they gain nothing from it and lose some land!

soccer...um....havn't touched? hmmmm i build Big Hard One...now owned by Jester...hmmmm, you also burnt my blocker and built your own in it's place...so you just touched me a little.

This is another case of a kingdom whose members does not know what their leaders are up to. :(  deja vu anyone?

i congratulate sloth for that non-flaming comment :)

I shall call my post, The Truth about the Evil Osiris Alliance

Abydos, Jesters, Music and Zeon started on practically the same area.  They whipped out a NAP among themselves.  But only Zeon and Abydos has a MAP.  Abydos and Zeon is attacking Legacy and at the same time Legacy is clearing out MAD. 

Abydos and Zeon claims that they are only napped with jesters and music.  But Zeon has openly threatened Mirror to attack us if we enter that area.  I know that is reasonable. But come on! how do you expect us to win a war without entering the core of the enemy?  Based on that, I think your "we're just napped" alibi is bs.  whether you like it or not you are mapped. 

Zeon unofficially tried to get a NAP with Mirror
Abydos tried to get a nap with Carnage, so does Zeon. 

as far as i know, PHI and Abydos/Zeon has no relations.

With Music's unhonorable departure from fantasia, that leaves Abydos, Zeon and Jesters to defend that area.  I saw some Music players join

ok well what to say about this

1. we are only napped with jesters but do you really think we wouldnt do anything about mirror armies running around our core?
2. we never tried to nap carnage so wtf?
3. try to actually get some facts first eh

As for you shyers Yes you attacking the wall had EVERYTHING to do with it

and how in the hell can you compare the Abydos/zeon map to the carnage lgc db mirror alliance? are you really that retarded?

"With Music's unhonorable departure from fantasia, that leaves Abydos, Zeon and Jesters to defend that area.  I saw some Music players join Zeon.  I dont know if that is still true since Music has restarted in its right place."

Well, maybe you can tell me what we could've done otherwise. Every attack we would make against a player with a bunny simbol would result in a new thread about how unfair it is that your KD couldn't contain a traitor. Yeah, it hurt you pretty hard, and Music made the mistake of taking him in for the full 8 hours. But you aren't defeated yet, hiding safely in the Carnage area.
Our options were.

1. Don't care about the bit of respect we had left and focus all our armies on the passing Mirror players. yeah, sure some would pass, and the others would be able to restart, but you were able to move completely unharmed.
   
2. Try to defeat Red Hand, and settle there. if that succeeded, then what.. we would be facing Mirror again and, they had to restart their whole era, so it wouldn't be fair.
3. Restart in Zetamania, and try to build up a new group of players. This is the only place where we have no chance of facing Mirror (right now). Which allows us to try and do what we 'want'. The only way to restart is to have few enough cities and armies. Yes, you can raze all your cities and wait long enough for all buildings to disappear, have fun with that. Some players didn't realy want to leave Fantasia and decided to join ZEON instead. And we just gave ZEON permission to take over the cities from the players that were going to restart. Though Carnage and Mirror together with Red Hand in our other area, took more cities then ZEON took with the players joing thme added.
   

woohoo..Great Saying Swofty!! :D

Dammit, i try to stay out of these threads but sometimes it just doesnt work....

I just wanted to respond to Messiah's post above..specifically one point....

You make it look like Carnage came looking for a fight with zeon and that some of your vices tried to open the option for a nap....

We did come with armies, but as a response to this post from you at the beginning of the era...

Mr. Messiah Report 6/26/2007 4:58:44 PM

We declare war on carnage!

How else were we to take zeon's intentions towards us other than hostile?

And then we get this pm...

Lord Crom [ZEON] (7/2/2007 3:27:30 AM)
tell stormcrow zeon is asking for pardon.

But by that time things had gotten worse for our friends in mirror and most of our kingdom still remembered you declaring war on us right out of the gate so....

But all of this is really a moot issue now, there is really no sense in these threads other than to flame and insult....

WILL EVERYONE HERE SHUT UP for a moment??
there was only 1 reason LGC/DB are here. they are complaining their heads out cause they are losing. accusing people of naps and alliance against them. they simply cant accept that their are losing.

DB/LGC is complaining about their armies being split, (actually members being split). have you ever considered my part? like at the start of the era i had 4 HOH armies all over the map? now thats what you call armies being split. 3 against DB, 1 against LGC.
 
and Mr. Enyalius Shut the hell up if you dont know facts.  as far as i know we only have 1 MAP and 1 new NAP, MAD, abydos-zeon alliance.

we have no relations will all others yet though they have offered. as weird said people from my kingdom are too lazy for NAPS unless absolutely necessary. and LGC say you have 4 inactive players? mind counting the inactive players in PHI?i call it maybe 7-10? plus a lot of new members.

and SMUFF. only 1 reason you are their (currently 3rd) well most top kingdoms are fighting each other. leaving the small ones to farm. but i doubt it wil remain like that. since carnage is heading your way

well we can hande jester and zeon its just that also abydos is joining thats turning the tide.

hahahahahhahahaha, oh zero.

you were the reason i left Phi; Arrogant, self centered, a crap leader, rude. hmm the list could go on.

every heard of a retorical question? twat.

well actually if you didnt leave phi i would have kicked you out anyways. if you need confirmation on that. ask all the vices.

we dont need a  player who doesnt know how to read right, and his mouth is faster than his brain..

edit: can you scroll up?? and read it again or here it is for you

and SMUFF. only 1 reason you are their (currently 3rd) well most top kingdoms are fighting each other. leaving the small ones to farm. but i doubt it wil remain like that. since carnage is heading your way


----all i did was answer your question and your mouth is full of sheet again.

I´d just like to point out one thing to Zero. I have spotted 2 Legacy replies in this thread and none of them the least bit negative, so kindly retract your statement about "whining".

As for the NAPs ect, it doesnt really matter, does it?:) You do what you have to do to ensure your own KD´s safety, simple as that.

Respectfully Submited

Val

Mr. Zerocool

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7/10/2007 3:45:08 PMwell actually if you didnt leave phi i would have kicked you out anyways. if you need confirmation on that. ask all the vices.

we dont need a  player who doesnt know how to read right, and his mouth is faster than his brain..

>strange ... but those descriptions just fits your character very well zero ...
I hardly saw anyone of DB or LGC complain about the fact they are getting bumped by almost everyone on the field.
Besides ... look at last era, all the guys complaining about the alliance are doing it themselves ... Why should Legacy or DB not have the right to complain?

The Young and the Restless? HAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAH

right now its just ABYDOS+ ZEON
                         PHI + MAD
                         JESTER + MUSIC

> somehow there is a connection between the 3 alliances of this ... you cannot deny that ...

lol ... it still means you guys are on the same side

*Tiber walks in and sees everybody in an argument, Tiber then sits down in the corner and watches with some popcorn.

"This is going to be good"

*Smuff joins Tiber in the corner for a time out and a drink, then throws stuff at zero from afar*

"50 points for a head shot. ok. go!"

*Tiber throws an unpopped piece of popcorn at Zero, hitting him in the eye

"Hehe, 50 points!"

OMFG. There really is no connection between Phi and Abydos+Zeon. We haven't came close to each other yet lol. Each of us is fighting the KD's next to them. We're fighting DB, they are fighting Legacy.

Smuff, even if you and Zerocool haven't got along too well, there's no reason for you guys to flame each other now. Of course that your HoH spot wouldn't be the same if your Kingdom would fight one of the bigger Kingdoms of VU but I don't think anyone is upset at your current position.

And I don't think Zerocool would have kicked you if you would have stopped stepping on each others toes. We are all friends in PHI so if you would have gotten along, you'd have stayed, if not, not :)

cant do anything about that oya. these people here assume things. 

Orly, I edited my post to respond to your accusation of crying to Osi for a NAP since I felt offended by it being its negotiator.

However, it took more than 3 minutes so it didn't appear and I haven't copied it :(

Now I want to watch The 4400 insted of trying to do that post again so you can have your way. But bear in mind that I didn't cry to Osi for the NAP. I wanted it bad cause I wasn't in the mood to organise my Kingdom's defenses against Abydos, Zeon, Db and Legacy. Also, I'd rather be friends with Abydos than foes. They seem to be good guys lately and it's much better to love than hate :) <3

Damn i try to leave and it keeps sucking me back in....

I am going to try to help settle this whole carnage/abydos thing.

There has been no official talks of any kind with abydos leadership about a possible nap....to my knowledge none of the Carnage leadership has spoken to any of the Abydos leadership. So once again there has never been any talks...

What got this rumour started was when several of us have been having talks with a good friend of mine in abydos (who shall remain anonymous for now so as not to piss him off, good friends are hard to come by in this game after all) about the possibility of a nap with abydos. We in carnage had nothing against the damned abydos (right back at ya Oya) and didnt want to fight them, but it was made clear to us that if we napd abydos we would have to nap zeon so as to avoid any napbreaks and what have you. And as far as carnage is concerned we have nothing against abydos (at least on our part), they are doing the honourable thing by honoring their map with zeon.  Obviously though nothing came out of these talks with my abydos friend so....as i said earlier this whole damn thread just goes to show how seriously unreliable vu rumours are. You know what they say about assuming?;)

This is why Carnage has tried to avoid naps and alliances this era (or at least until recently) too many headaches:(

<goes to sit with smuff and tiber to watch the events proceed, holding up a big foam finger that reads "Go Twamao" on it...>