Forums / In game politics / MAD multying

@Lord Guderan, who are you? I'll respect your opinion, but, man we mostly do our coordination in Cafes.

@Binh, i'll be happy to play with you on DOTA, not all internetcafes have illegit keys here, so you can still play with us. ever heard of GG-Client? It was common here.

@Moe, about your last post, I offered a NAP to FF at the start of the era. Ask Scientist about it. MAD/PHI did not committed themselves to a 2v1 action on FF, if only FF accept the offer, we will only be fighting DB/LGC and the faraway Carnage, maybe.

@Lewatha, count us as ONE. :)

Guderian = Mac of course :D

WAIT First of all MAD had a 500k cats army dint they?? they cant feed of KD mates.
and phi admited ofthen thay a pretty big presentage of there player are ''inactive''
what does this suggest?

dont challenge him!

Dreadlord Noiralav Report 11/23/2007 4:40:49 AM

Some of you may remember the big war fought over the lgc core 2 eras ago. I was tasked with keeping MAD out of our hair while the rest of the KD tried to fight of all the other kingdoms assailing us. During that fight I noticed sevel suspicious things. If I used to last minute or so of a tick to get close to an army, or to start prep on a town, the reaction was never instantaneous (even if the ruler had been online a short while earlier). The MAD troops of certain members always moved in the same order and not once did I see all of them move out at the same time (again, even if I had seen activity from all them in the area during the tick).   Thus my suspicions where born. I asked around a bit to gauge what other people that had been involved with them over the era´s thought about it and not ONE disputed my claims. Now it is of course extremely hard to prove such things, so I didnt speak up (I killed them on my own after all). But I´d say their "record" speaks volumes.

u never spoke to me ;)

as a previous MAD player, i never (and remain the same today) believed they were all multies as i had been told. being in their kingdom, their actions are different, and their speech is very different indeed. If they indeed are multies, he/she needs badly to get checked out, the difference in personalties is too great. to be able to keep up 5 different people for such a long period of time must be some sort of disorder. having to be the spunky strawberry, c0cky hilario, proud black ice, and the refined aloy all at the same time would be a great task indeed.

if that isnt the case, then i believe aloy. i do know they all live close to each other, since the log in times were always similar. i always knew when to expect a reply message from the leaders.

aloy, its sad to see MAD dissapear.

you dont need to own all the accounts Soccer :P Rampent cross logging is the most reasonable theory

i don't know, but lionel buys a lot of my stone

you are a bunch of bad players who can't accept that other s have bigger armys then yo u... thats mi opinion....... adn you cant do anything just arguing here...
 and i want to know what this fed thing it is you ment  moe lester becouse i have no idea what you are talking about ... and  Sun why do you thinck that he is at bigger  size and  higher training cost then u??
i see only 3 -4 citys for Lionel so he can easly have the smalest cost for training . troops ...

lol im pretty sure im the lowest size, with the highest stg profit on fantasia.

how did mongi suddenly jump to #2 hoh army and #2 over all HoH (now #3) last night? that was fanscinating.

yeah we were surprized to:)  its the mages they always get more points for mages ...:(

i really dont think mad would do that mad is a great KD

Cyber Assassin, do your math. Even if you start from the beginning of the round, its still an almost impossible amount to have.

lol, you can come bragging about RoF when you've burned 440k catas to death, 52k is nothing compared to that... oh wait, yeah, those 440k was MAD... now go have a proper wank to those figures.

How do these nobodies (i.e, Gothrim) ever find the courage, or even their way onto the forum to spout off their ignorant nonsense, only to make a mockery of themselves in the process? In any case, I'll give you the benefit of a reply, so here comes the clue train. Last stop: you.

What you've "proven", Gothrim, is that others StG. Have a pat on the back. What you didn't prove was that that Lionel hasn't been fed, despite overwhelming evidence to support the theory. The concensus amongst Fantasia right now is that Lionel's (and let's not forget Black Ice, before he was deleted) StG'ing pales in comparison to Sun's (in terms of amount of stone bought and profit made, not the amount of times he appears in your news), and to that end Lionel has probably been fed (as was Black Ice). In pure economic terms, you could not grow to such a size and be able to afford it, so the only other possibility is StGing, and Lionel is not turning enough profit from StG to have 2x the amount of catas as the #1 stger on the map. Even your own kd mates, such as Lenard, were kind enough to admit that , and I quote: "it seems MAD was feeding".

Throw in the fact (and yes, this is fact, cupcake) that MAD have had several players deleted this round for running multiple accounts (and a history of it, too), and then the picture becomes all the more clearer, even for your dim eyes and thick, broadly brimmed glasses.Let us not forget: there was also the instance of MAD kicking its own members, and taking over their towns, to contend with too, AND their sudden surge in KD power in a 12 hour period from nowhere.

Throw them together, and you'll have an allegation.  Absolute proof of feeding? No, not without ZeTa's input, but proof is always hard to come by from a players position. What we do have is a serious cause for concern, coupled with facts (such as their multying), in the way they managed to obtain near enough 500k catas for one player (who was deleted shortly thereafter), and 400k from another, when the most prolific StGer on the map barely managed to obtain 200k through massive amounts of StGing. Your own KD mates have stated they think MAD have been fed, and even have gone as far as to suggest how.  Yet you, you stick out like a sore thumb and defend the multies while your own kd mates either distance themselves from their MAD ally, or condemn them altogether.

Moe Lester: "How do these nobodies (i.e, Gothrim) ever find the courage, or even their way onto the forum to spout off their ignorant nonsense, only to make a mockery of themselves in the process?"

I only value the opinions of those who have fought alongside me so yours don't count. The problem with being stuck in the same kd every era like you guys is you don't see what's going on out there, don't get to see new ideas or how other kd's function.

Moe Lester: "What you didn't prove was that that Lionel hasn't been fed, despite overwhelming evidence to support the theory."

This is like "prove you don't have nuclear weapons" or "prove there are no purple cats in the universe" With logic like that it's no surprise the world is in such a state. Simply put, there are times of the day when there is intense competition for stone and other times when there is less and the result can be a little bit like "feeding". I'm sure if I got up an hour or two earlier I'd sell a lot more to Lionel since I usually wake up at the tail end of his buying. Sun isn't anywhere around then. Same on Sunday mornings when the price drops to 0.95 or less. Now I don't know when all the guys buy stone because I haven't stayed up 24/7 to check. Have you?

Moe Lester wrote: "The concensus amongst Fantasia right now..."

There is never consensus on Fantasia, lol.

Moe Lester wrote: "when the most prolific StGer on the map barely managed to obtain 200k through massive amounts of StGing."

Well I seem to recall he had close to that half way through but he lost some, yes? If you're saying he's only reached 200k now, he must have "mislaid" some more, lol.

And as for "feeding", well in most legal systems you have to prove things like illegality, motive and means. What means were used (eg a gun) and was it illegal (eg shooting with intent to kill)? You seem a bit vague about the means.

Main point: You can't just say "they are doing better than us so it must be illegal".

The problem with being stuck in the same kd every era like you guys is you don't see what's going on out there, don't get to see new ideas or how other kd's function.

Yes, it is a shame that people who stay with their Kingdoms like those in Carnage, Legacy and DB dont see how others function. Untill we leave our established Kingdoms we wont be able to learn how smaller kingdoms like MAD feed.

The smell of arrogance is overwhelming...

Ok, one more point; very good to know in business. Margins. Sun's activity pushes the price of stone up to 1.02-1.03. So the margin is very low, probably 30-40k for every 20 million stone? Now, let's say you could buy at 0.99. The margin suddenly looks a lot better, yes? From the seller's point of view it hardly matters since the seller is the producer and gets the full 0.99 or 1.02 or whatever. But from the perspective of the StG'er the difference is huge. So when is it feeding? I've noticed people selling stone lower when Sun's asleep, so they can sell it quicker. Even Vlad prefers to buy lower if he can, and often he can since he's on in the morning.

You guys just reiterate the same claims without logic. There was no attempt to debate any of this.

Only recently has Lionel been buying my stone almost as if he is trying to prove he is an active STGer in light of recently doubts over his army

I sell stone at 7am my time, 4pm my time and 11pm my time.

For the past 2 days sun got all but the last 30 million i put up.

5/6 of mine, spread throughout the day....i honestly think sun doesnt sleep...or if he does he naps every 2hrs or something.

I would say Sun gets 55% of the stone market

Vladimir gets 25% of the market

Lionel gets 15% of the market...but recent increases in instances of him buying may mean he gets 20% now.

Point of interest, Sun. If at a price of 1.02 you make a profit of x gold at the margin after expenses, what would the price have to be for you to make 2x profit? Could you show your calculations? :)