Forums / In game politics / War Declaration on LDK

Oh man now we were allied with Baccus because we wanted to attack you together... New one I like this mostly :DDDD Way to go man, come I wanna kiss you.

Nobody have claimed this, Haywood said we suspected you for helping Baccus spy on us.

And i didnt say such thing that we are allied against you. When he came to our core he asked for alliance I accepted it.

Again, we did not say this, we suspected you of being on baccus' side.

Who can restrict me to sing NAPs MAPs with whoever I want huh???

Sing as much as you want, i won't stop you

AND I TELL YOU AGAIN THERE IS NO ARIMIES OFF BACCUS IN YOUR TERRITORY NOT EVEN SINGLE!!! or i have to say in f... Japanese that you understood??!!

There are scouts, yet again, i must say we suspected you of helping baccus spy on us.

They accuse us of building not blocking walls, esspecialy for Baccus Monks??

No we did not accuse you of building walls in favof of Baccus. But as stated in the long post by Haywood (if you bothered reading it) you will see that he had contact with LDK about the walls mentioned, and LDK refused that they were not blocking properly, and did not make any attempts at fixing it.

Sorry to dissapoint you spawn.. im not lying

Kimma, that suspision is maybe right. But no one was intending to let anyone throug.

And i was trying to fix te block problem but i didnt succseed :/ No there is no place to build proper wall, just new city. But again maybe its to late.

I ask you all Mirror enough of this meaningless discussion just come with your armies and do your job.

I never lied, and that I can assure you, so if you think diferently than think, I no longer care. And Im not running anywhere, just come ill be waiting for you all, no matter how it will be fast slow I will stand till last scout.

Im sorry my friend Adelbert. You aproached me very nicely i see a true diplomat here.

But I will never understand why you call me liar, and I never held your KD as a fools. Very nice words, thank you very much.

Sadly Dovydas cant understand the real problem here.  Let me state it clearly and ask someone from your kingdom to translate it in Lithaunish for you.

Mirror spared your life at the start.  We were allies before you were allied with Baccus!  Yet you give more weight to Baccus than us.  You kill M scouts that goes in your are, yet we do not touch LDK scouts that are in our area.

Regarding the blocker that doesnt block.  I am not complaining about it being capable of blocking or not!  I did in the past you ignored it.  I learned to ignore it.  The issue here is, why would baccus prefer to go into areas where your blockers clearly block?  And why not in that blocker which doesnt block?

I hope you learn something from this situation.  Specially in dealing with allies

Atreides,

I would add the following:

Spawn that is one of the Mirror players (I think probably the most honorable here) is specifically saying that Mirror let pass thru DK scouts and armies long before the Monks scouts (just 2 little scouts) were OUTSIDE Mirror territory long before LDK built walls and could prevent us from sending the scouts.

Now there is clearly breaks in Nap terms from Mirror long before their declaration if I understood well the terms. Plus, LDK blockers dont really close as Mirror itself said....:).

Mirror Nap breaker. full stop. It does not matter to me, but you wont be able to let it pass as "the right thing to do". Mirror just broke a legitimate Nap.

You (5/31/2007 11:47:25 PM)
Greetings dear King Dovydas of Lietuvos Didzioji Kunigaikstyste- A long time has passed since we last spoke, and i feel it's important we uphold some communication for the wellbeing of both our kingdoms. As you may know, our war against Music in the north has ended successfully on our behalf, and we have conquered their lands. We now have the resources and strenght to move against another foe, and we currently consider to attack Baccus Monks to your south. I must ask of you to ensure that this information does not reach the attention of anyone else. That being said, i trust this information to you, for you have proven a loyal and worthy ally. Do not be alerted if you see any Mirror forces strenghtening our southern blockers, and i ensure you that we intend to uphold our part of the nap signed earlier this era. We hope for your understanding and cooperation. And for starters i would very much like to know all LDK current relations. Also, how are your status? Are you at war, and how are your chances of success? Anyway, i wish the best of luck to you and your men With kind regards, Viceroy Adelbert of Mirror
Mr. Dovydas [LDK] (6/1/2007 2:10:20 AM)
Greetins friend Viceroy Adelbert of Mirror. Yes i think we should communicate more frequently. My apology too for not doing so. You are realy good friends for us as I see. Now to the matter we have to discuss. Our relations now with Baccus Monks is as Allies, so I dont realy know how to solve this in unnoticed way, that should be first priority matter of ours. I dont realy see them as realy good allies as it was promised... Kind regards, With respect and honor King Dovydas of LDK
You (6/1/2007 2:30:26 AM)
I thank you for clearing things up with us and for your honesty. I know many of my men, including some members of our counsil have suspected that you were allied with baccus monks. But now that we know, it matters little. In order for us to access their lands in the future, it'll be likely that we'll have to pass your walls. Hence, we must ask of you to open them for one ally at the cost of another. I realise that this may not be a preferable situation for you. But i assure you that we will do what we can to keep your involvement secret. Nevertheless, once Baccus starts losing cities, they will resort to public flaming. And speculations will build about you aiding us by opening gates. These are the facts, and we wish you to know them before deciding. This strike is still in its planning stages, and nothing is decided yet. We have grudges against baccus monks from last era, and we have intended to seek revenge all this era. Now we have the chance, will you let us take it? Viceroy Adelbert
Mr. Dovydas [LDK] (6/1/2007 2:50:56 AM)
This is very clear reason of yours. I understand this and respect it. As for my KD is better to keep you as a precious ally than the Baccus Monks. But just let me take this matter to the Vice council to discuss it. And i think in next 20 ticks Ill have the answer for you, most likely possitive, but i have to be sure. And the last era Baccus Monks did us some negative actions which is not very pleasant. And as you speak of this all going to public, yes I dont realy like it as you may aready saw BoW unhappiness about us... But thats not a matter. So if you could just wait for that desision of ours. I hope we can come up to a good reason here. With all respect, King Dovydas of LDK
You (6/2/2007 3:08:13 AM)
Time is running friend. Do you have your answer?
Mr. Dovydas [LDK] (6/2/2007 12:05:07 PM)
Hello, I know the time is runing I have to make desision now coz not all of my vices show up in these days, they are having exsams. So we decided that you could go through the BlockerX I know that its round way going through the LGC GoD Havoc Territories but, Somehow Baccus Monks now know about it, i got message at the next morning from their leader. And i didnt even tell for my KD members or anybody, how could they know about it, huh?
You (6/2/2007 12:44:05 PM)
These are very upsetting tidings indeed. And in response i will come straight to the case. I hereby demmand free access to the blockers in a straight line towards baccus monks immidently, or else our line of reinforcements will be to long and defeat a certainity. You grant baccus monks' spying scouts free access to whatever blocker their hearts desire, yet you intend to make our righteous war and retaliation on them as hard as possible... As for this leak you speak of, i can tell with great confidence that it lies within your counsil, as i see no other option! Infact i can assure you that noone in mirror has given information to the enemy. If it was not yourself who gave our intensions up to our foe, it was one of your viceroys! Knowing this makes it aggrovating and insulting to hear that we do not have your full cooperation, and i urge you to reconsider at once. You claim you value our friendship before baccus monks, yet you warn them of our coming and you deny us our humble requests. It's time to prove where your alliegence lies. Adelbert
Mr. Dovydas [LDK] (6/2/2007 1:16:46 PM)
Ok know I see that you are calling me a liar, I said that i didnt tell even Viceroys about that and i receive that kind of message form Baccus Monks, so i dont know who did that. 100 % not of my people. Now as war threat comes from every side I have to do something about it. I dont know if i have any guaranty that you will delcare war on us when you are in our land, but in few more ticks i will let you know. Dont be coutious, still we have no much choises here. And as you say that I was who gave that info to your enemy, that is not truth.
You (6/2/2007 1:28:06 PM)
Enlighten me then, Dovydas King. I have been around for a long time, as you may well know. But never have i ended a nap during an era. But then again, it is not often i have been insulted by my own allies... You personally told me that you were going to adress the matter of allowing us access to your walls with your counsil. You also told me that i could expect an answer in a day. Now you claim that you have not spoken to any of your viceroys about this? I recieved my answer, but i also recieved tidings of baccus knowing our plans. So do not take me for a fool! I too have only adressed this to a restricted number of people i trust. And how can a member of Mirror find motives of such treason? No i say, the leak lies not within my ranks. I will await your reconsidered reply with anxiety. And i hope for the sake of us both that you have gained wisdom from our negotiations.
Mr. Dovydas [LDK] (6/2/2007 1:36:30 PM)
No dear friend Im insulting you. I said i received pm from Baccus before i spoke with on of Vices which is online in last days. And nobody tell you are a fool. Im letting you throgh my gates. Travel to Monks as you please. And one thing more why i see Ldk Sucks built by your KD? I dont want you to think that im kind of man with no reasonable word. So as I said im opening the gates. It will be done when you approach em in 1 or 2 ticks away. Please respond to this.
You (6/2/2007 7:34:43 PM)
I apreciate your understanding King Dovydas. And know that i value your friendship. However, it seems you came to your senses a few hours to late. My counsil responded to our negotiations with great anguish. And you're hesitations has awoken the wrath of my almighty King Duke Azaruc of Mirror. Hence i regret to announce that our nap is shattered, and it carries no effect from this point on. I am truly sorry for this, but it is still obvious to me that you leaked sensitive information to our sworned enemy, even as i asked you not to. The fact that you to this day refuse guilt has only angered me more! Because of the insults we've suffered from your side, my counsil has decided that our nap ends with immediate effect. I hope this will be remembered as a lesson to you in the future. Good luck, Viceroy Adelbert of Mirror
Mr. Dovydas [LDK] (6/2/2007 7:59:18 PM)
No my friend or just want to thinks so or you made me to be a liar but thats not matter... I say it again noone and not me told anything to Baccus Monks about your plans!!! I dont know in what language should I say... Further more Baccus Monks still doesnt suspect anything about your plans. The message was dont let anyone through the north and topic was Mirror. But after that message which I received just 4 or 5 hrs later after we begun to negotiate. At that time I was sleeping and non of my members knew about it other day noone of Vices were online thats why I delayed promised answer. I dont know what are you thinking just if you are canceling a nap it will be for no reason... Only maybe for delay of answer no other reasons should be drawed here.

__________________________________-


These are our negotiations, and read them carefully before commenting.

@ Fra
LDK broke their word of not letting anyone know about our intensions.
They broke our nap terms several times
by settling in our area
by allowing hostile scouts access to our lands
by leaking sensitive information to our enemy
by lying about not telling the enemy of our plans
by harbouring our enemy, and protecting it by not allowing us the requested access through their blockers
by ignoring our requests of them making apropriate blockers
by killing scouts under the Mirror banner

We have perfectly reasonable justifications of declearing a fullscale war upon LDK! And we announced the nap to be over before we decleared war and long before we initiated hostile moves against them.

For you readers out there! Do not give outside comments on this conflict much attention. Fra, you obviously have no idea what's going on. And i figure the facts you are given have been directly from LDK officials since the start...

Baccus monk scouts were not there when LDK built the blocker, plain and simple.  Stop the lies.

No, stop your dumb posts Fra,  You see, as you admit in your post, you can only bet!  Now stop fueling the fire with your lies! 

i wonder if thier has been more flame wars in an era then this one

    All that I see from those messages is that you were being hostile to LDK, not the other way around. Dovydas was responding politely to all your messages, and you were getting pissed and blaming him personally for going and telling Baccus about your plans. Then you continue to demand passage, not a term of the NAP, and are angered because some of his kingdom mates were too busy to get online that day and he was unable to discuss a response....

by settling in our area
There are several towns inside our area, i can count 5 (some already taken over by our offensive forces)

by allowing hostile scouts access to our lands
There are Baccus Monks scouts inside our area, that is a fact. we did NOT let them through, then who did?

by leaking sensitive information to our enemy
Dovydas himself told us that Baccus already knew about our plans, and since it at that time only were known in the council of Mirror, it was not one of us that spilled the info

by lying about not telling the enemy of our plans
Self explaining, look 3 lines up

by harbouring our enemy, and protecting it by not allowing us the requested access through their blockers
They did not offer to open the blockers in the time given.

by ignoring our requests of them making apropriate blockers
Clearly stated by Haywood in his long post, where there are PM logs with LDK members, stating that they DO block and they will NOT fix it.

by killing scouts under the Mirror banner
Several scouts have been killed when trying to enter LDK area.

Omg, I've never thought that Mirror is KD with so many liars. Not only did Mirror break the NAP, but they also continue lying about it and try to sully the name of LDK. I don't know where you got the idea that we are planning against you with Monks, both Dovydas and Fra confirmed that there were no intentions  about about setting an attack against Mirror.
The scouts of Baccus you say? Well due to some VU bugs it is possible to pass through certain walls and you know it as you have done it yourself. You did not wall yourself from Baccus, so they passed through. We did not purposely open gates for Baccus Monks to pass into your territory and I don't know why you think so.
The scout Mr.Legionas killed was killed a long time ago and probably accidentaly. Mr.Honor appologized about it, however, you still consider that NAP breaking ?!?
Mirror let the scouts of DB to wander in their territory and we didn't even say anything about it.
2 days ago our scouts have seen a few 10,000-20,000 DB armies heading towards us through Mirror territory in the north. You opened the gates for those armies. That, my dear friends is the real NAP breaking. Furthermore, we've seen countless armies of Mirror heading towards the sourthern blocks.
Then a few hours after that you send word to our king about us opening our gates, because you 'need to pass to Baccus Monks'. You simply hold us for fools! If we opened the gates, not only would those DB armies get access to our core, but also our core would be exposed to 500,000 armies of Mirror. Not to mention that we would then betray our alliance with Monks. We reply you that we do not want war and we do not want to be a part of your wargames with Baccus. We are busy warring LGC and carnage.
What happens next? You say that we've spilled the beans to Baccus and declare war on us.
What I see here is Mirror, using some weird excuses to break the NAP. Mirror knows that they stand no chance against our full forces and decide to help Carnage and Legacy and DB to wipe us out of the map. Well I see screw you, NAP breakers. You have no chivalry and no self respect. You picked a convenient time to declare war on us, just when our main forces are fighting LGC and Carnage. Not only did you stab us in the back, but you have proven that your once great kingdom, now cannot be trusted. Yes, we might lose, but we will fight with honour and we will not surrender, for we are not cowards and we have our dignity.

another senseless post from an LDK who is lost.  LDK clearly doesnt talk to each other.

Scout killing accidental?

You (5/21/2007 11:20:19 AM)
why did you attack my scout?
Mr. Legionas [LDK] (5/21/2007 11:55:14 AM)
We not send us scoout in your core,and when you send your scout i thing you spy us so i destroy him

"Furthermore, if you had a problem with our cities, you could always send a PM to the builder and he would've gladly given it away to you."

I wrote pixicore a message asking him/her why he built that city.  I reqeusted him to raze it or ill raze it since our area.  No reply until now.  The city is still there.  I think I even ask Mr. Honor to tell pixicore to raze that city.  (Not sure on that last part)

That happened on 5/21 . And you still cry about it?
I don't know Pixicore, she rarely talks lol. However, there are no your blocks in  that area so why the hell are you declaring it's yours?

we also asked for control of those walls.
you denied us to take them over, that's why we have no walls there.
but the area between our walls and your walls (Siaure, Nord and Northeast Block) were considered OUR area.

big force??  where? all i see are fat armies. :P  maybe you should look at our big force for you to have an idea what an army is

Mirrior cheater.

Lgc Carnage Dark Bood and mirrior agains us :) very nice. All powerfull kingdom attack us :P if lgc carnage mirrior or dark blood try fight with us 1vs1 so our kingdom real win :P

I say Mirror has every right to end the NAP. the terms had been breached.

but, i also say, mirror should fight on their own. I am not longer on fant :( and no longer can see what is going on, but i feel it will just be another gang beat by the top kds (lgc, db, m, carnage) against LDK. they had to find someone new to fight, right? must be getting boring having so few enemies!

good luck to both sides, i hope the war goes well!

this is a gang bang and a slaughter lol lgc+carnage+Mirror vs ldk a new kingdom thats only on its second era

Someone needs to cast arma these four kingdoms have killed almost everyone lol

Gnadentod: who said we didn't know the map?

and every kingdom that's not an ally in this game is an enemy..

call it gangbang, call it slaughter, call it unfair war, call it NAP breaking, call it what ever you want, I will not let anyone fool around with M.  You have shamed yourself when you treated Mirror lightly.  You had it coming when you knew from the start that we are at war with Baccus and you still gave them favors. 

We know you ar at war with Baccus. Even Baccus didn't know that. You have broken the NAP for no good reason and attacked us when we were fighting 2 other kingdoms. You think that gives you honour?
That makes you a worthless dog who gets punched around by his master (in this case LGC) and abandonds his old friends because of the fear to be resist and stand back.
Go on, destroy us in this unfair fight, which really shows that Mirror(or the most if its players) is a peace of crap.

Mr. Markonvnikovas
i assure you, the decision to attack LDK was NOT based on the fact that Carnage, LGC and DB is attacking them. i really had no idea they even were attacking them until AFTER we decleared war on LDK.